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ladyjane 03-03-2011 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bellababy08 (Post 3449301)
I agree!! Russell has had a target on his back since Heros vs Villians, he has been the most hated player since his first game...I don't think he will ever win sole survivor, no matter how many times he goes to the finals.
Nope, but he will remain one of the best strategic players in Survivor history. :)
I find it amusing that people hate him for lying...they all lie. That is the only way to win...at some point each of them tells a lie. He is just so good at it with his in your face attitude that people hate him. At this point, his game would have to change and so far he has not figured that out. Too bad...I really thought he knew that...I guess not.

bellababy08 03-03-2011 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3449305)
Nope, but he will remain one of the best strategic players in Survivor history. :)
I find it amusing that people hate him for lying...they all lie. That is the only way to win...at some point each of them tells a lie. He is just so good at it with his in your face attitude that people hate him. At this point, his game would have to change and so far he has not figured that out. Too bad...I really thought he knew that...I guess not.
I really thought with him coming back this season, after going to the finals 2 times and not even getting one vote...he would have change this game, mixed it up...get people questioning them selfs as to what kind of player/person he really is...good guy or a villian...he didn't, all they see is VILLAN lol

Nancy1999 03-03-2011 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3449305)
Nope, but he will remain one of the best strategic players in Survivor history. :)
I find it amusing that people hate him for lying...they all lie. That is the only way to win...at some point each of them tells a lie. He is just so good at it with his in your face attitude that people hate him. At this point, his game would have to change and so far he has not figured that out. Too bad...I really thought he knew that...I guess not.
It's not the lying as much as the severe backstabbing; he is loyal to no one. He also has no respect for other people. He doesn't respect the "dumb" loyal girls who take his word for everything, and help his get to the top, and he doesn't respect other contestant's game play. It's a social game as much as a physical and mental game, and his extreme ego gets in the way of playing his social game well. He could have "pretended" to like the guys, but he didn't even want to bother with that this year, and he does have the skills to make people think he likes them. Being sent to Redemption Island might work in his advantage, he's really good at challenges, and if he can stay till the end, many contestants on the jury, won't feel like he's backstabbed them, so he has a better chance at winning overall.

bellababy08 03-03-2011 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3449321)
It's not the lying as much as the severe backstabbing; he is loyal to no one. He also has no respect for other people. He doesn't respect the "dumb" loyal girls who take his word for everything, and help his get to the top, and he doesn't respect other contestant's game play. It's a social game as much as a physical and mental game, and his extreme ego gets in the way of playing his social game well. He could have "pretended" to like the guys, but he didn't even want to bother with that this year, and he does have the skills to make people think he likes them. Being sent to Redemption Island might work in his advantage, he's really good at challenges, and if he can stay till the end, many contestants on the jury, won't feel like he's backstabbed them, so he has a better chance at winning overall.
Everyone already hates him! There will be no more Redemption island after they merge and even if he gets to the finals...you can bet your butt everyone on that jury will hate him and not vote for him....Russell will always be a backstabbing SOB villian LOL he can't change.

julietravels 03-03-2011 09:03 AM
I loved Russell the first time he was on Survivor and really thought he should have won. This time around I am happy to see him gone. Everyone knows his game, so he had no chance. I do think it was a mistake to send him off this early, really weakened the team. However it was a better for the morale and sanity of the tribe.

julietravels 03-03-2011 09:04 AM
Who do you suggest I pick to keep safe in my survivor pool? I have already picked Angela and Ashley, so I can't pick them again. Remember, once I pick someone, I can't pick them again.

Nancy1999 03-03-2011 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by bellababy08 (Post 3449331)
Everyone already hates him! There will be no more Redemption island after they merge and even if he gets to the finals...you can bet your butt everyone on that jury will hate him and not vote for him....Russell will always be a backstabbing SOB villian LOL he can't change.
It's interesting, but many people admire villlians, and this may not work against him, unless he personally hurts them. I would be the sort of person, that would have to admire anyone I gave my vote to; I don't admire backstabbers.

RONLYNN 03-03-2011 09:17 AM
:D All I have to say is "ROB FOR THE WIN" :D

Nancy1999 03-03-2011 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RONLYNN (Post 3449352)
:D All I have to say is "ROB FOR THE WIN" :D
He's amazing at reading people, and so much smarter than what he showed the first season.

bellababy08 03-03-2011 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3449344)
It's interesting, but many people admire villlians, and this may not work against him, unless he personally hurts them. I would be the sort of person, that would have to admire anyone I gave my vote to; I don't admire backstabbers.
As you said in your above post, Survivor is a social game. I think its more social than physical and mental...A player has to lie and backstab at some point in the game no way around it, thats what gets you to the finals but its how you go about doing it...You have to know how to work people without them and everyone else knowing your lying and backstabbing. Russell is not a people person at all...unless he really changes his game, stop being that "in your face backstabber and I don't care if you see it or not player", he will never win sole survivor.

bellababy08 03-03-2011 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RONLYNN (Post 3449352)
:D All I have to say is "ROB FOR THE WIN" :D
Me too...I really want Rob to win this one...just cause he is a oldie they keep bring back :D and he really has change his game alot since his first game...unlike Russell LOL...Rob just might be our Sole Survivor this time.:D but to soon to tell.

Nancy1999 03-03-2011 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bellababy08 (Post 3449363)
As you said in your above post, Survivor is a social game. I think its more social than physical and mental...A player has to lie and backstab at some point in the game no way around it, thats what gets you to the finals but its how you go about doing it...You have to know how to work people without them and everyone else knowing your lying and backstabbing. Russell is not a people person at all...unless he really changes his game, stop being that "in your face backstabber and I don't care if you see it or not player", he will never win sole survivor.
You make a good point, and I do think it's also important to respect you competition, and this is what Russell lacks the most.

bellababy08 03-03-2011 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3449369)
You make a good point, and I do think it's also important to respect you competition, and this is what Russell lacks the most.
I totally agree!!!:);)

ladyjane 03-03-2011 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3449344)
It's interesting, but many people admire villlians, and this may not work against him, unless he personally hurts them. I would be the sort of person, that would have to admire anyone I gave my vote to; I don't admire backstabbers.
They are all backstabbers. :) Trust me when it comes between loyalty and a million dollars none of them will be loyal.
I don't buy that social aspect, but hey, that is me. It is just like the PP, they are acting sweet as can be, but bottom line, push come to shove, they will turn on a dime to win.

ladyjane 03-03-2011 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bellababy08 (Post 3449363)
As you said in your above post, Survivor is a social game. I think its more social than physical and mental...A player has to lie and backstab at some point in the game no way around it, thats what gets you to the finals but its how you go about doing it...You have to know how to work people without them and everyone else knowing your lying and backstabbing. Russell is not a people person at all...unless he really changes his game, stop being that "in your face backstabber and I don't care if you see it or not player", he will never win sole survivor.
What is the difference between Rob and Russell? Rob smiles and acts sweet. With Russell, you really do know what to expect. I would rather play that game with Russell than most of those people. I can deal with a person like that...totally a b**ch ... makes no bones about it. He wants to win.

cally930 03-03-2011 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by julietravels (Post 3449332)
I loved Russell the first time he was on Survivor and really thought he should have won. This time around I am happy to see him gone. Everyone knows his game, so he had no chance. I do think it was a mistake to send him off this early, really weakened the team. However it was a better for the morale and sanity of the tribe.

I totally agree!! He should have won the first time - but will never win now - or no matter how many times he plays.

alaskayorkie 03-03-2011 12:19 PM
I've loved to hate Russell since his first season. I'll probably miss him, but I'm glad he's gone. What I hate about him is his attitude from the beginning has been "I'm great, and everybody else is a moron." Rob's attitude is just "I'm great, and a couple of the others are morons." :p

I don't think Russell stands a chance on Redemption Island unless he somehow tricks people into throwing the competitions. Or finds immunity idols.

Nancy1999 03-03-2011 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by alaskayorkie (Post 3449500)
I've loved to hate Russell since his first season. I'll probably miss him, but I'm glad he's gone. What I hate about him is his attitude from the beginning has been "I'm great, and everybody else is a moron." Rob's attitude is just "I'm great, and a couple of the others are morons." :pI don't think Russell stands a chance on Redemption Island unless he somehow tricks people into throwing the competitions. Or finds immunity idols.
You hit the nail on the head!

bellababy08 03-03-2011 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3449457)
What is the difference between Rob and Russell? Rob smiles and acts sweet. With Russell, you really do know what to expect. I would rather play that game with Russell than most of those people. I can deal with a person like that...totally a b**ch ... makes no bones about it. He wants to win.
Thats the difference right there in your post. Attitude!!!

ladyjane 03-03-2011 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bellababy08 (Post 3449643)
Thats the difference right there in your post. Attitude!!!
But....that does not mean a person plays the game best. It always cracks me up when people think that smiling in a person's face while stabbing them in the back is better than sticking a knife in the heart. ;)

If I were on the jury and had my choice between the two, I would opt for the one who stabs in the heart.

Maximo 03-03-2011 02:27 PM
I am so angry! :mad::p I did my best to avoid this thread because I haven't watched the latest episode. Today I was driving home with the radio on and they casually revealed who was voted out last night. Grrrrr!

alaskayorkie 03-03-2011 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3449668)
I am so angry! :mad::p I did my best to avoid this thread because I haven't watched the latest episode. Today I was driving home with the radio on and they casually revealed who was voted out last night. Grrrrr!
lol. :p Maybe it's all a plot to throw you off. As Russell often says, You never know what's gonna happen until it does. ;)

Maximo 03-03-2011 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by alaskayorkie (Post 3449675)
lol. :p Maybe it's all a plot to throw you off. As Russell often says, You never know what's gonna happen until it does. ;)
Awww, thank you Mike for trying to make it all better for me. :)

bellababy08 03-03-2011 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3449650)
But....that does not mean a person plays the game best. It always cracks me up when people think that smiling in a person's face while stabbing them in the back is better than sticking a knife in the heart. ;)

If I were on the jury and had my choice between the two, I would opt for the one who stabs in the heart.
Russell is a excellent player...he will go down in survivor history...Survivor is a social game, you have to be able to play people and respect there game and smile while throwing the knife. :D And you know as well as I do..when you meet someone with an attitude like Russells...They automatically become a target.

Nancy1999 03-03-2011 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by alaskayorkie (Post 3449675)
lol. :p Maybe it's all a plot to throw you off. As Russell often says, You never know what's gonna happen until it does. ;)
Actually he's the first survivor to ever be charged with leaking spoilers. His name wouldn't have come out, but he tried to impliment an innocent contestant.
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Ealy says he revealed Hantz to be his source for spoilers "because of his attitude about the whole thing, and because Russell tried to implicate another player [as the leak], an innocent player, who wasn't giving information. Survivor's Russell Hantz Accused of Leaking Show Secrets - Today's News: Our Take | TVGuide.com
I don't know, would anyone believe a leak from Russel? :D

ladyjane 03-03-2011 08:14 PM
Jeff Probst said what I was 'trying" to say:


What is most fascinating to me is the justification of ethics. My most favorite topic. When someone is taking an action that “we” support then it’s awesome, it’s fantastic, it’s brilliant. But when it’s someone that “we” don’t like taking the same action, they’re a villain, a loser, untrustworthy. I’m just sayin… the Zapatera tribe is acting as dickish to Russell as Russell has acted to his tribemates in the past. Is one action more acceptable than another?

that is from his blog: Survivor: Redemption Island – Episode 3 Blog 3/2/11 | Jeff Probst

Maximo 03-03-2011 08:52 PM
I believe the Zaptera tribe made a mistake throwing the challenge just to vote Russell out. They are going to implode. :p

ladyjane 03-03-2011 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3450157)
I believe the Zaptera tribe made a mistake throwing the challenge just to vote Russell out. They are going to implode. :p
No doubt. At least we can watch and make fun of them. :p:D

Maximo 03-03-2011 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3450159)
No doubt. At least we can watch and make fun of them. :p:D
I don't think we have seen the last of Russell back at camp. How about you? Maybe they will send him to the other tribe. I don't think there is going to be only one person sent back from Redemption Island.

ladyjane 03-03-2011 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3450162)
I don't think we have seen the last of Russell back at camp. How about you? Maybe they will send him to the other tribe. I don't think there is going to be only one person sent back from Redemption Island.
You never know...they do control it in ways that benefit the show. I am thinking the duel might be Russell friendly? Just a hopeful thought. :) I still would love to see a Russell/Rob alliance. It could come to that. Then again, next week could be the end of Russell.


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