I kept thinking about this thread last night and came in this morning to find this post that says exactly what I had decided to say. I was going to highlight a few of the lines as emphasizing my feelings, but then I realized there was no need - the entire post says it all for me.

I love being here on YT, I love the friends I've made and the fun we have. But, my main purpose for being here will always be to learn and to help others learn. I found this site while searching for answers on yorkies and what I found was a place filled with love, devotion and respect for the breed. I feel sorry for those who don't recognize what YT offers and leave before they can discover it.

HA - love it !

Wow, still going...? What an impact. Who knew....

Yes and it hasn't been closed! Goes to show you just how many
"Ultimate YT'ers" there are. They are the ones who try to explain,
train, give confort, support and educate those who ask for it.
Those who are looking for the above but don't like the answers they
receive are the ones who cause havic on this board.
Here it's page 9 and I really thought this thread was going to go in
the wrong direction so I didn't post until now but I guess all those Ultimate YT'ers kept it going in the right direction:thumbup:

Amen preach sister
 

im a new owner. ziggy is my first dog/puppy/yorkie etc etc. we had dogs growing up when i was younger lol but they stayed in the backyard, ziggy is a completely different ballgame. i always wanted a puppy, or a dog. i saw him in a petstore (yorkies i mean, not my baby) and said 'ooh i want one', well be careful what you wish for, cuz i did not know what i was getting lol. i basically on a whim decided to feed and clean up poop twice daily for the next 10-15 years, LOL. my bad. ok but im going to stick it out. i wasnt a yorkie expert when i got him, and i doubt anyone is until after they get their dog, even the ultimate yorkie owners dont know squat with their first dog. so i ask questions on yahoo and get all these rude answers like i should know this stuff already and guess what i GOOGLE ok.

i guess im just tired of people acting too superior to answer the simple questions and acting like because someone is asking them that their an idiot or irresponsible owner. yea i am an idiot and im irresponsible at times, but when someone asks a question they are trying to enlighten themselves, if you cant help, dont, but no reason to be rude.

i had no clue what a backyard breeder was until i got my puppy. i saw his breed at a puppy store in the mall and wouldve got him then and there except they wanted 1600 and i paid half that from a breeder. (I didnt do any research until after i got him. i know thats not a smart way to go into owning a pet, but i admit it, i had no clue it was this involved.) i got to meet his mom, his dad is in shows, but i didnt get to meet him. i met ziggys brother (sold - but the buyer visited while i was there) and his sister. He also had a contract. At this point im still not sure whether it was a backyard breeder because ppl with no clue are giving me rude information online to make themselves feel like knowitalls.

im glad i found yorkie talk and i do have a tough skin, lol. now all im worried about is asking questions that have already been asked cuz this search turns up hundreds of stuff, LOL. anyways, yes im a new owner, ya im irresponsible, LOL hell i admit it because i probably am somewhat compared to all the geniuses online. i take care of my baby though and i want to end this by saying just cuz someone doesnt know what you know doesnt mean you should heap all kinds of assumptions and judgement on them. its rude, and its a little bit presumptive of some ppl. you can give info without being demeaning thats all im saying. unless of course thats your intention to belittle people, in which case you should reevaluate your contribution to humanity, lol.

sincerely me & ziggy
(and yes ziggy feels the same way as i do cuz any questions i ask are going to help him and he knows his mama has the best intentions for him!!!!)

I have enjoyed reading this thread. There are so many good posts that have expressed my exact feelings. I love YT and of course there have been a few times I felt like I was being picked on but I know the posters had good intentions. Anyone that is on a large forum like this will eventually get their feathers ruffled. We just have to take advice we don't like with a opened mind and move on.

did i say too much
 

now im nervous im going to be chastised for not doing my homework first, lol. i respect the fact that you guys take loving animals so seriously so before anyone tries to make a villian out of me (cuz i have a feeling im just who the ultimate YT experts target) i just want to say this;

i said all of those things knowing my own error, although admittedly not until after i got him. i know thats not the greatest way to start loving a yorkie, but i love him as much as any of you, i would bet my paycheck to that.

im just trying to present the new owner, who doesnt know jack side of things.

its a bit disconcerting when you ask for info and people beat you down for what you dont know. stating facts such as, 'a reputable breeder would not sell a puppy until its 12 weeks' is not offensive. saying 'that breeder is a peice of sh*t and so are you', LOL is harsh. ok thats an exxageration, but as a new owner i fully resonate with this post. im not asking you all to hold my hand and say there there, its ok. im just asking not to be treated like an idiot when i am here trying, thats all.

peace & love

There are many people (like me) who don't start asking questions until after they bring their new yorkies (or any other puppies) home. I wish everyone would do their homework before they go looking for a new pet but that's just not realistic. I admire the ones, like you, who make the effort to ask questions and learn no matter how old their baby or how long they've had them. I think you're going to be just fine. :)

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Many of those ultimate YTers have also helped people with sick or injured dogs or with people who are having trouble delivering puppies

The tone of the post wasnt negative or nasty. I was just stating a point. How come you keep saying anyone with an opposing post has a negative tone. I could say the same thing about your post. Thats all Im gonna say on this thread because I think you are just looking for people to agree with you only

I don't have a problem with people voicing their opinions and everyone not agreeing with me. Really makes me no difference as I've stated I haven't had issues on here. I'm simply saying the tone of what is being written is being understood to not positive but comes off as more argumentative or now what. Not just you but other as well. So in order to diffuse this I'm responding as such and I'm not even close to upset and don't believe I'm being rude. I'm just keeping it moving. I'm viewing from 2 perspectives and just see how some won't take it for what it is.

I could care less if you agree. Heck, Wylie's mom didn't agree with me, yet she kept it light.

This is a common problem on here with threads like this. Someone can state a fact and it isnt meant negative or said in a negative way like I did but it got tagged with a bad tone. This is a reason why there is arguing in threads commonly

Understood. Again you could have PM-d me.

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Gotcha and good analogy.

Let me put your mind at ease. Cause there's very few of us that haven't been there and done that.

My first yorkie I bought from a BYBer......lucky because she was perfectly healthy (only had coccidia). Now here the one that's gonna get you......my second yorkie I bought at the Canton Flea Market (those from Texas know about that)......

I think the problem comes where you get rude and/or blunt answers to questions is when; someone comes on here requesting advice/knowledge and it's given in good faith and the person that asks for the advice has wasted everyone's time and does what they were going to do in the first place........

Don't be afraid to ask questions, the answers may not be what you want to hear......but, the only dumb question is the one that is not voiced.

I dont send pms on things like this If i have something to say I say it in the open on the forum. I dont hide behind pms

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Great point!:thumbup::thumbup:

LOL, Ok. Noted.

in a perfect world, even the most vulnerable or lonely person would not be put off by the "impolite" or "harsh" words of total strangers in an on-line forum. a perfect world this is not.

as for respect...anyone who comes here, goes to the effort of registering and asking a question has already more than earned themselves at least the amount of reciprocal respect found in a kind, accusation-free response.

to put the responsibility on a new person, often in a crisis with their baby, for being mindful that some are harsher than others, that they shouldn't take on-line insults personally etc.. sounds an awful lot like justification to me. it's like the junior high school bully who chooses the smallest kid in sight to pick on and then says it's their fault for being such a wuss. aye yie yie...

why not simply be kind?

recently, a woman came here holding a dying baby in her arms. i have been waiting for her to come back as it was clear to me she was hurting profusely, had no family nearby, had no friends, and no money. she posted, sharing her pain with people she "knew" would understand and yet...as it turns out, she was slammed, questioned, given the third degree. some of the responses went as follows: why didn't she go to the vet sooner? why didn't she pawn her household possessions? maybe she'd racked up vet bills all over her state and that's why nobody would help her!

i was stunned. i still worry about that woman to this day.

here's the thing. in that hour, at that moment....it was really none of our business what her life was like or what her decisions had been. we are not here to be god's online presence. she owed us no explanation. her baby was dying! she came for comfort and has not come back. surely no one here considers that a positive outcome. surely no one here, in a terrifying situation, has thick enough skin to take the responses given that lady as anything other than the attack they were.

kindness or lack thereof tells a great deal about character.

Why should she? She wasn't be argumentative or rude at all. She was simply making a point of how/why things get misinterpreted and arguments start. Just as her first post was simply elaborating on the good the "Ultimate YT'rs" do.

Ok. Got it. Hug people...really.

Ok, so I have to actually get back to work now. That being said, be a PP today!

PP = Peachy Person!!!!!!!!! :D

I saw that post....very sad.


But, here's something that a YT member posted.....and it just is so elquently put

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html

I guess our tones offended her somehow. I saw no tone in my post nor yours.
I'm leaving and no longer posting here. I believe you to be correct in what
you have posted.

:confused:Are you joking?... I thought that her last few comments were on point and not rude in any way, they may not have aligned with your point of view, but they did add to the conversation. I think you can look for wrong tone in anything and find it if you are looking hard enough. (as stated before)

If people pm'd eachother every time they didn't agree, then there would be alot of valuable information that is missed for the other people who read these boards. Again, the point of YT is to educate and support.

There are topics on here that are not right or wrong but a matter of opinion only, it is helpful to hear many opinions when you are making a decision. I guess some people take everything in opposition as negative, that is just not the case, infact it is more of a personal problem imo.

I didnt see it in yours either