Woody or Tiger

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Ok, let me first say that yes I am married and would be LIVID if my husband did the things that Tiger has done....ok, here's where I am probably going to have you guys throwing things at the computer screen. How many men do you think would be loyal in this situation?? Not at all a "normal" situation...traveling, women that sought him out for the reason of having sex, more women doing the same thing, then traveling to the next city and then the whole thing starts all over again. Question....is Tiger the norm or do you think the way he handled it is the rare case? Seriously, how would most men deal with all of this...do you feel that Tiger's actions are off-base for how most men would behave in the same situation?

Please do not get mad at me for posting the above. Trust me....I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO against cheating!!!!!! I am also NOT making excuses for him (because what he has done is awful and hurtful to his wife and child...plain and simple!!). But, really....do we sometimes expect these men to be super-human? Could he have said no....OF COURSE!!! But how insistant do you think these women have been? I can almost guarantee you they have been ruthless and have stopped at nothing and do not accept no.

Ok, now that I have written this, I hope you guys aren't mad at my random thoughts....and yes, I agree...12 women (and counting) is horrendous and completely without thought to his family. I just think that sometimes we, as a society, are quick to overlook the actions of women like the ones that he was involved with...we tend to get angry with the man and ignore that there was another person in the mix.

Ok, now ducking.......

This is what one news commentater said last night and I turned the
channel
There is absolutely no excuse for what he did. I wouldn't care if a naked
women laid down in front of him egging him on, he should have some
morals IMO. That's exactally what's wrong in today's society.
Suppose his wife did this to him? My God she would be crucified!
The kids would be taken away from her and she would be booed from
here to kingdom come. Her life would be over as she knows it.
It seems excuses are being made for low lifes, (men) who do these kinds
of things. What happend to pride, committment and morals? Just because
it's there for the taking does not mean your in a position to take it.
That's what brains are for and I mean the ones in your head not the
ones he used!
Don't get married and hurt those who love you. Stay single and do what
you want. He has obligations to his family to be a decent human being.
He blew it, big time!

No, I'm not mad at you but there is just no right in this at all. No matter
how you look at it. We're all tempted everyday in one way or another.
He's weak, selfish and deserves what he get's. I hope she takes him
to the cleaner's.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

This is what one news commentater said last night and I turned the
channel
There is absolutely no excuse for what he did. I wouldn't care if a naked
women laid down in front of him egging him on, he should have some
morals IMO. That's exactally what's wrong in today's society.
Suppose his wife did this to him? My God she would be crucified!
The kids would be taken away from her and she would be booed from
here to kingdom come. Her life would be over as she knows it.
It seems excuses are being made for low lifes, (men) who do these kinds
of things. What happend to pride, committment and morals? Just because
it's there for the taking does not mean your in a position to take it.
That's what brains are for and I mean the ones in your head not the
ones he used!
Don't get married and hurt those who love you. Stay single and do what
you want. He has obligations to his family to be a decent human being.
He blew it, big time!

No, I'm not mad at you but there is just no right in this at all. No matter
how you look at it. We're all tempted everyday in one way or another.
He's weak, selfish and deserves what he get's. I hope she takes him
to the cleaner's.

You are 100% correct in the fact that there was NO right in what he did....NONE! My point was that we never seem to blame the women that pursue these men. It's all put on the man....and yes, he is fully responsible for his own actions, but he's also not superman. I also believe that a person should not get married if they are not mentally equipped for what comes along with it. My point was, he's NOT super human and maybe he lacks morals and good judgement (obviously), but we overlook the "morals" of the women that chased him. That's all I was saying. Look back through your post...there is no mention of lack of self-restraint on these womens' part...only Tiger's.

Again, I ask....do you honestly think that he handled it any differently than how other men would??

[jeanm1963]

I think he is a horrible person for what he did to his poor wife. She just had a baby and to think he was with all these woman while she was pregnant.. what a sin. I do however think this christmas card is hysterical. TIGER HOLIDAY CARD.jpg

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by jeanm1963

I think he is a horrible person for what he did to his poor wife. She just had a baby and to think he was with all these woman while she was pregnant.. what a sin. I do however think this christmas card is hysterical. Attachment 301740

I think that card is too funny!

I feel bad for his wife....how sad for her...to know that she needs to leave someone that I am sure she loves. My heart hurts for her!

And by the way...if he will cheat on her, he will cheat on anyone. For obvious reasons to do with his morals, but also have ya seen her?! She is so beautiful!

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

You are 100% correct in the fact that there was NO right in what he did....NONE! My point was that we never seem to blame the women that pursue these men. It's all put on the man....and yes, he is fully responsible for his own actions, but he's also not superman. I also believe that a person should not get married if they are not mentally equipped for what comes along with it. My point was, he's NOT super human and maybe he lacks morals and good judgement (obviously), but we overlook the "morals" of the women that chased him. That's all I was saying. Look back through your post...there is no mention of lack of self-restraint on these womens' part...only Tiger's.

Again, I ask....do you honestly think that he handled it any differently than how other men would??

There will always be women like this. Look at the Rock Stars and the
women who follow them. Low lives also, IMO. Would they marry one,
of course not! Women like this don't deserve the time of day but a man
will give them 20mins everytime. The women who do these sorts of things
don't really care about the man they only care about the prestiage, or so
they think, that comes with it. Get their name out there and perhaps Hollywood would want them! Their garbage and any "good man" should know
this. Look what he lost. Those women had nothing to loose and all to gain
from acts like this. They have no morals to begin with. He should have known
different. He lost it all, IMO. His father must have rolled over in his grave,
he had him up on a pedistol where we all did.
I'd like to ask him, was it worth it? Shame on him. He's weak and insecure.
A real man would not have done such a thing. IMO. At least not 12 times!

[alisonJ]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

My point was that we never seem to blame the women that pursue these men. It's all put on the man....and yes, he is fully responsible for his own actions, but he's also not superman.

I don't blame the women because they did not take a vow to be faithful. The only one who made this vow was Tiger....I don't think these women are admirable in any way, and if they actually pursued Tiger, they need to get a life. But ultimately, Tiger is the one who screwed up.

FWIW, if I were Tiger's wife, I would be getting tested for every STD under the sun.

[LuvmyYorkies2]

He's a big disappointment to a lot of people. Yes, a lot of celebrity husbands(including politicians) have cheated. I haven't seen such an uproar about one like this though in a long time. I think it's because Tiger himself marketed himself to be such a "family man", devoted to his wife & kids.

I feel sorry for Elin. She tried her best to keep a normal family life & home for him & their kids, not feeling the need to be anywhere & everywhere with him or out in public all the time for the sake of the spotlight.

And what about these women...what kind of morals and self respect are they showing their kids(if any have kids) or when they do have kids and their families. They're coming out of the woodworks now..begging to tell their stories...like they had no problems sleeping with a married man. Why did the other 11, 12, 13 or whatever have to wait until the first lady(Rachel I think) came out with her story.

I don't know..maybe the money. I guess they feel they have nothing to lose and might as well get money by selling the stories out of it.

All of them, like Tiger, are disgusting!!!!!! Poor kids..

[cj125]

Wow - this whole thing must be so devastating to his wife, kids and extended family! My heart goes out to her. It's so much to put up with and right before the holidays.

I don't know how a person (man or woman) can let this kind of thing get so out of control - except to say that some people feel entitled!

At first I thought - ok, they're people and need their space to work out their problems. All marriages have something to deal with. I am really tired of the tabloids taking every little thing they can and posting it for the world to see - even if it's true. Some of this is none of our business. However, when they started adding more and more names to the list of females that he had an extended sexual tryst with - it was no longer a private matter. He made it public because we all know that the more amount of people that know something - the more likely it will be talked about.

I don't care that he was an athlete - I understand that they can't be held to being perfect - but he did/does have some responsibility to be a decent human being, a father, a husband and a spokesperson for many elite products!!!

A few times, maybe even with a few females -- but this guy had "on-going" trysts with "many" females!!! He set many of the trysts up himself! UGH!!! If I was his wife - I would have beat him like a dirty rug!

And as for the "females" that he was having sex with - they all knew he was married and famous. As far as I'm concerned - they're all whores! Especially the PIG from Perkins! I truly hope that they do not get any "deals" out of this. I'm thoroughly disgusted with females that don't respect other women and their marriages. I guess they'll take what they can get - whenever they can get it - which means that they don't think too highly of themselves - and neither do I! No morals - no ethics - no conscious!

I hope his wife takes him for all that she can and more!

I hope he looses his endorsements.

I hope he realizes that the gift that he was given was given to the wrong people!

Very sad...

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by LuvmyYorkies2

He's a big disappointment to a lot of people. And what about these women...what kind of morals and self respect are they showing their kids(if any have kids) or when they do have kids and their families. They're coming out of the woodworks now..begging to tell their stories...like they had no problems sleeping with a married man.

EXACTLY!! He will lose endorsements....if he hasn't already.

I feel sad for his wife because her hurt and struggles have just begun.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I honestly do not think parents should encourage children to look at athletes as role models.
Time and time again we have seen that they are human and have clay feet.
It is one thing to admire their athletic abilities....another to think they are perfect human beings.

Originally Posted by greyacresmom

Why do people forget that these "celebrities" are HUMAN!! Thank goodness I am not a "celebrity" so my mistakes are not all over for the world to see.

I couldn't agree with these statements more! That was one of the things that reallly just irked me with the whole Michael Vick situation--that he was condemned for his inability to live up to the public's expectations as a "role model." It's not the job of celebrities to shape the morals of kids! Celebs provide more than enough proof that they are not who you want your kids looking up too.

Granted, I'm disappointed by what has come to surface regarding the situation with Tiger Woods, but I'm even more disgusted by the fact that the general public feels like it's their right to have all the details divulged to them. I feel sorry for his wife for having to deal with such a horrible situation and I feel even worse for her knowing that she's having to deal with it in the public spotlight...all because there are people who find 'entertainment' in what transpires in the personal lives of others.

[Lexi Rae]

CAROL SAID IT,, RIGHT ON THE MONEY...((((((. DONT GET MARRIED))))!!!!!!
WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP HE IS. ALL THOSE WOMEN HOLY CRAP!!!


WHAT A HORN DOG

[jp4m2]

I hope I'm not naive in thinking that Tiger's behavior is the exception and not the rule when it comes to most men .....I would hope that when confronted with the decisions of whether or not to accept the offers of a "warm place to put it"......They would make a choice that would show dignity, pride and a good set of moral values and just say ,"Thanks, but no thanks."...... Where there is no choice, there is no morality......

Tiger had this public persona of a being "good" guy, a respectable, honorable, moral man.....a man of good character. That was his public image for the most part.

Now the public sees that his character and his sense of morality is severely flawed ....Apparently it always was, but it was well hidden from the public eye, and probably from his poor wife as well....When it came to a time where he had to make a conscience choice, he chose self gratification, a choice that apparently was easier, even if destructive, he most likely he rarely heard the word "No" from the people who surrounded him, which can easily make a person believe they are the center of the universe and that the feelings of others are quite secondary.

For any woman wanting an exclusive relationship with him he has now shown that he will be a threat and a liability to them. The message to other women is when he's confronted with the decision to be honorable he will more likely than not will choose to do wrong again, he will chose what feels good to him at the time. Tiger has shown to the world his particular character faults, weaknesses and lack of maturity ......

For him to use the “Oh well, I’m only human.” or “I’m not perfect.” excuse is ridiculous. It’s typically used as an escape clause out of a guilty conscience. I would imagine if he says this he believes or hopes he can not or should not be condemned, judged or criticized. This is always a good way to be excused for doing wrong..... do what you want then justify......Typical.....

With all these women now coming out I'm quite surprised there hasn't been a secret child hidden out somewhere.....I guess time will tell...

[manolos mom]

[QUOTE=red98vett;2909141]haha - you all beat me to it - I was going to say - The name Cheetah comes to mind....a very horney Cheetah

and everyone thought he only swung his clubs on the golf course[/QUOTE]

[manolos mom]

I also heard that some of the women he had intercourse with are saying he does not use condoms. Doesn't like the way they feel.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I couldn't agree with these statements more! That was one of the things that reallly just irked me with the whole Michael Vick situation--that he was condemned for his inability to live up to the public's expectations as a "role model." It's not the job of celebrities to shape the morals of kids! Celebs provide more than enough proof that they are not who you want your kids looking up too.

Granted, I'm disappointed by what has come to surface regarding the situation with Tiger Woods, but I'm even more disgusted by the fact that the general public feels like it's their right to have all the details divulged to them. I feel sorry for his wife for having to deal with such a horrible situation and I feel even worse for her knowing that she's having to deal with it in the public spotlight...all because there are people who find 'entertainment' in what transpires in the personal lives of others.

Sorry Misty, Have to disagree with you. When they enter the relm of Celebrity it comes with a BIG price. Your life IS an open book and who cares if he is a Celebrity, he took vows in front of God. He is a liar. Look at Derek Jeter, single a Celebrity and didn't lie in front of God. And is Player! Why get married if you feel the need to play. I feel so sorry for his wife and babies, heard they went back to Sweden. I bet his endorsments will start dropping him, I heard Gatoraide is discontinuing the Tiger Line of Sports drinks. Good for them.