Petland donates to Make A Wish!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

although their are alot people againist petstore that carry dogs and for the most part i agree. And there are alot of ways to go about reprimanding them or trying to put a stop to them.

i dont agree with puppy mill dogs i dont believe that reputable breeders (which on this site reputable have very strick rules to it) sell to pet stores but im guessing sometimes its back yard breeders and puppy mills. although byb arent the best way to go in a lot of peoples mind they are more affordable and not as strick on selling and give a lot of good people the opportunity to own a dog that in other cases wouldnt be able to. but i think its low to attact petland when they are doing GOOD deed by SICK CHILDREN. i dont care if it gives them exposure, they are making a very sick child happy!

i have never heard anything good about petland, ever and i believe the negatives about them, but this is different. and at the same time you are attacking them you are attacking a group that a LOT of people give thanks to for saving their childrens life and helping them keep their home at the same time. i personally think this is low. you may not be attacking per say but bothering them no less with something like this is insane they have a lot more to do then discuss puppy mills and defending their efforts to making childrens LAST wish come true.

and yes i think the birthday party thing is insane but giving a family a puppy, thats sweet no matter where it came from. if it makes the child and the family happy and brightens that child life, then why disrupt it? and if they have no case of sick puppies going to the st jude children then why bother it?

go full force against the puppy millers and the petstores for purchasing the puppymillers puppy i encourage you. but please for the children leave that little area alone.

That's what Petland is hoping will happen, and you are living proof that it works. First of all we aren't attacking Petland for giving dogs to sick children, we are attacking Petland because they buy puppies from inhumane living conditions. They know what's going on, and they don't care, they give away a few dogs, and everybody's happy, except a few of us, who believe that this is just a marketing ploy to better their name. We just think the charities should be more informed about Petland's kennels.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

If the charities are of the mind that puppy mills are bad but believe the Petland propaganda, they need to be shown otherwise. Googling 'complaints about Petland' yields lots of instances. Also, the lawsuits against Petland speak volumes. And, their almost total reliance on the Hunte Corp. for their supply of puppies and the sources for them should be enough to convince almost anyone.

Sounds like you could make a great protest letter!

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Sounds like you could make a great protest letter!

Just wondering, would it be effective to let these charities know that their association with such a horrible business is being discussed on a forum that has over 46,000 members?

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Just wondering, would it be effective to let these charities know that their association with such a horrible business is being discussed on a forum that has over 46,000 members?

I know that would DEFINITELY catch my attention but I'm not sure, Nancy can answer it better.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by emilyann

Why disrupt it? While it is a great thing, it is giving a horrible organization good feedback which will make people want to buy from them. I think the point is to maybe educate them so they choose a better BREEDER instead of a huge pet store that sells sick dogs from puppy mills. Basically, you're saying that just because they're putting a smile on the face of a sick child, it should just be left alone? What about the poor dogs/puppies? Do they not matter just because it's the subject of sick children? Do you not think the dogs are sick? Have you ever even seen a puppy mill video? If you have and you have a heart, I don't see how you could just push it aside because a kid has a smile on their face.

how many reputable breeders do you know that WILL give away their puppies for FREE? on a REGULAR? AKC, show quailty (which is what most reputable breeders sell) i dont think their are a lot out there. Sure some people might occassionally.

yes i have seen all the stuff on puppy mills and im not fore them. but its best to go against it from the ground up. start at the puppy mills find all of them and attack them.

YES I THINK ITS LOW TO BOTHER ST JUDE ABOUT IT

yes i know there are alot of people who will fight to their dying breath to stop puppy mills and preventing people from buying from them and i respect those peoples ambitions. But i dont respect nor agree with this topic. if you dont like it, deal with petland or the people they get the puppies from but leave st jude alone. i understand you want to educate them but they are extremely smart people they save lives every day and research to save lives every day. this is not on their agenda. and its shouldnt be.

you fight and save the world of puppy mills but dont expect them to stop want they are doing to help you, they have enough on their plates.

and i dont mean that to be mean or rude at all. if people want to stop the puppy mills please do, like i said before i encourage it and respect that. i just think bothering st jude with this is disrespectful.

i love my dogs to pieces but my children come first and its it between saving my child and stopping puppy mills, its my children first and foremost all the way.

[Woogie Man]

Tammy 8833, while I appreciate your sentiment, I can't agree with your rationale. I would think that it's doing these groups a favor by informing them of their associations. I would hate to think that such associations might cause donations to decrease but that is likely to happen if they continue these type of affiliations that can only tarnish their image in the future. I've never personally donated to Make a Wish but have been a regular donor to St. Jude's. I don't plan on withdrawing my support but do feel they need a 'heads-up' on Petland, who are using them as pawns to enhance their corporate reputation.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Just wondering, would it be effective to let these charities know that their association with such a horrible business is being discussed on a forum that has over 46,000 members?

I think that already happened yesterday. If you go to the other thread about Petland Birthday parties that is were all of this started. I tried to follow a link within the Op and stumbled onto this. On the second page of that thread a former Petland owner jumps all over me for being ridiculous in my opinion. Go and take a look

You know what I would really like to see happen is someone big get wind of this and make it news worthy. CNN, FOX, a good reporter who has been working on puppymills in the past. LISA LING!!!! OMG she is out ticket! Didn't she do the puppymill thing on Oprah?

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

how many reputable breeders do you know that WILL give away their puppies for FREE? on a REGULAR? AKC, show quailty (which is what most reputable breeders sell) i dont think their are a lot out there. Sure some people might occassionally.

yes i have seen all the stuff on puppy mills and im not fore them. but its best to go against it from the ground up. start at the puppy mills find all of them and attack them.

YES I THINK ITS LOW TO BOTHER ST JUDE ABOUT IT

yes i know there are alot of people who will fight to their dying breath to stop puppy mills and preventing people from buying from them and i respect those peoples ambitions. But i dont respect nor agree with this topic. if you dont like it, deal with petland or the people they get the puppies from but leave st jude alone. i understand you want to educate them but they are extremely smart people they save lives every day and research to save lives every day. this is not on their agenda. and its shouldnt be.

you fight and save the world of puppy mills but dont expect them to stop want they are doing to help you, they have enough on their plates.

and i dont mean that to be mean or rude at all. if people want to stop the puppy mills please do, like i said before i encourage it and respect that. i just think bothering st jude with this is disrespectful.

i love my dogs to pieces but my children come first and its it between saving my child and stopping puppy mills, its my children first and foremost all the way.

I never said ANYTHING about attacking them. I said they needed to be educated, they actually have specific people who work for them to answer things like these concerns (as seen in the OP's e-mail response from them.)

I don't see how it has anything to do with "saving a child", it's more in the aspect of "saving the pups". Why would it be so bad for the Make A Wish people to take a child to a reputable breeder or rescue instead of Petland? It really isn't that hard. Also, you don't think a reputable breeder would give a dog away to a sick child? HA! You'd be surprised, they obviously have even bigger hearts than some idiot organization like Petland or they wouldn't care so much about what they're doing (IE... BREEDING THE RIGHT WAY.) It would also be a chance for them to get their name out there, right? So, what makes you think they wouldn't do it?

I appreciate your opinion too, don't think I'm coming off rude, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from as I'm confused.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Tammy 8833, while I appreciate your sentiment, I can't agree with your rationale. I would think that it's doing these groups a favor by informing them of their associations. I would hate to think that such associations might cause donations to decrease but that is likely to happen if they continue these type of affiliations that can only tarnish their image in the future. I've never personally donated to Make a Wish but have been a regular donor to St. Jude's. I don't plan on withdrawing my support but do feel they need a 'heads-up' on Petland, who are using them as pawns to enhance their corporate reputation.

i think its wrong to expect them to accept a decrease in donations because some people dont agree with what another company is doing to help st judes. Regardless of the marketing that the store gets.

its a petstore, that yes is not reputable by any means. but i hardly see it tarnishing their image. they are a extremely honorable organization and i cant for see something like this making them look bad. the big problem here is petland and the puppy mills not st jude and make a wish. someone has already stated to them what their opinions are of petland to the organizations, at this point to proceed further i believe in going forward with finding way to correct the root of the problems

petland would be the one at fault and therefore need the negative attention. my guess is if they get tons and tons of negative attention and it becomes national news, st jude would probably not bother with dealing with them anymore

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I think that already happened yesterday. If you go to the other thread about Petland Birthday parties that is were all of this started. I tried to follow a link within the Op and stumbled onto this. On the second page of that thread a former Petland owner jumps all over me for being ridiculous in my opinion. Go and take a look

You know what I would really like to see happen is someone big get wind of this and make it news worthy. CNN, FOX, a good reporter who has been working on puppymills in the past. LISA LING!!!! OMG she is out ticket! Didn't she do the puppymill thing on Oprah?

Let Oprah know. or Ellen.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by emilyann

I never said ANYTHING about attacking them. I said they needed to be educated, they actually have specific people who work for them to answer things like these concerns (as seen in the OP's e-mail response from them.)

I don't see how it has anything to do with "saving a child", it's more in the aspect of "saving the pups". Why would it be so bad for the Make A Wish people to take a child to a reputable breeder or rescue instead of Petland? It really isn't that hard. Also, you don't think a reputable breeder would give a dog away to a sick child? HA! You'd be surprised, they obviously have even bigger hearts than some idiot organization like Petland or they wouldn't care so much about what they're doing (IE... BREEDING THE RIGHT WAY.) It would also be a chance for them to get their name out there, right? So, what makes you think they wouldn't do it?

I appreciate your opinion too, don't think I'm coming off rude, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from as I'm confused.

attack was probably the wrong word

i didnt say i didnt think that reputable breeders would give them away, i said i didnt think many would.

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i think its wrong to expect them to accept a decrease in donations because some people dont agree with what another company is doing to help st judes. Regardless of the marketing that the store gets.

its a petstore, that yes is not reputable by any means. but i hardly see it tarnishing their image. they are a extremely honorable organization and i cant for see something like this making them look bad. the big problem here is petland and the puppy mills not st jude and make a wish. someone has already stated to them what their opinions are of petland to the organizations, at this point to proceed further i believe in going forward with finding way to correct the root of the problems

petland would be the one at fault and therefore need the negative attention. my guess is if they get tons and tons of negative attention and it becomes national news, st jude would probably not bother with dealing with them anymore

I, actually, think they both need somewhat negative attention. If an organization is going to be strict about certain things but not others (others that include the life of a living, breathing creature), how is that right?! I commend them for what they do but on the same level, I think it's ridiculous, especially with how much negative publicity Petland has gotten in the recent past. You know SOMEONE working with these organizations has had to have seen it. If they're looking over it? That's even more disturbing and disgusting.

[emilyann]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

attack was probably the wrong word

i didnt say i didnt think that reputable breeders would give them away, i said i didnt think many would.

Sorry, I apologize then! I just think they would... I know if I were a breeder, I would but I'm not so who knows.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I think that already happened yesterday. If you go to the other thread about Petland Birthday parties that is were all of this started. I tried to follow a link within the Op and stumbled onto this. On the second page of that thread a former Petland owner jumps all over me for being ridiculous in my opinion. Go and take a look

You know what I would really like to see happen is someone big get wind of this and make it news worthy. CNN, FOX, a good reporter who has been working on puppymills in the past. LISA LING!!!! OMG she is out ticket! Didn't she do the puppymill thing on Oprah?

I read the birthday party thread and I saw the 1 post by the former Petland owner. I didn't see that anyone was going to mention the # of YT members that were being exposed to this info, however. My idea was to just let the charities know exactly how many people were being informed of their ties with Petland, thinking that would grab their attention.
I'm not sure if I'd like to see this become a 'news item' as it could hurt both charities. They do need to be informed of the potential damage they are doing to their own reputations by continuing these associations. I really don't see how an occasional free puppy could be worth all the uproar this could cause if it were to make the news. Of course, if it did, the charities would have to rush to publicly sever their ties with Petland....hmmm.

[Nancy1999]

I found a few good links:

Humane Society of the United States: Petland Investigation - Pet Store Sells Puppy Mill Dogs:
Introduction Video:

Petland Investigation | Humane Society


Actual investigation. One breeder does her own spaying and neutering without anesthesia, and she's not a vet.
Petland Investigation | Humane Society

Here are a few consumer complaint places that have lots of complaints regarding sick dog, and while I'm sure Petland gives the charities a healthy dog, this isn't true for many families.

Ripoff reports:

Ripoff Report Search Results: petland

Complaints.com: Complaints Against Petland

This was written by a former employee:

The Voice for Dogs.org What Petland doesn't want you to kow! First hand account of abuse behind closed doors as told by ex-employee Let's end dog abuse now!


We need to let the charities know that what Petland is saying about buying from reputable breeders, just isn't true.