Petland donates to Make A Wish!

[sevenfortythree]

Perhaps I should have been more conscientious as to the fact that I had switched threads. Initially on the thread regarding Petland offering birthday parties, the members had decided to no longer donate to charities that accepted donations from Petland. I felt as though this was not fair to the charities. Hence, when I switched to this thread as momma suggested, I brought my prior arguments with me. For this I apologize because I did not pick up on the cause. If you want to spend time requesting that MaW not accept these donations that is fine. I just feel as though your time would be more effectively spent determining ways to directly impact Petland and their purchasing.

I am sorry to say that I do not agree with the HSUS either. I agree that puppy mills should be stopped, but I feel as though the HSUS is mostly propaganda. They actually do not believe in purchasing from breeders either, according to some of their own posts, shelter dogs are the only humane way to purchase a dog. But I disagree with Petland more so. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so I guess I would have to side with the HSUS.

I answered the question about how I found the forum on the other site. However, I received a popup that said a mediator had to review it before it would be posted (this happened on one of my other posts as well... Im not sure why, Im assuming that someone did not like what I had to say so I got reported and now I have to have things checked first?) last time it took about 12 hours or so before it came up. Its pretty long... but basically i search weekly for updates on Petland complaints and I limit the search criteria to websites that have been updated within the past week. I do this to see if anyone has any issues with any puppies that were sold from my store,- not that I can do anything about it now, just for curiousity's sake. Anyway, this forum popped up and I thought I would put my two cents in.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by sevenfortythree

Perhaps I should have been more conscientious as to the fact that I had switched threads. Initially on the thread regarding Petland offering birthday parties, the members had decided to no longer donate to charities that accepted donations from Petland. I felt as though this was not fair to the charities. Hence, when I switched to this thread as momma suggested, I brought my prior arguments with me. For this I apologize because I did not pick up on the cause. If you want to spend time requesting that MaW not accept these donations that is fine. I just feel as though your time would be more effectively spent determining ways to directly impact Petland and their purchasing.

I am sorry to say that I do not agree with the HSUS either. I agree that puppy mills should be stopped, but I feel as though the HSUS is mostly propaganda. They actually do not believe in purchasing from breeders either, according to some of their own posts, shelter dogs are the only humane way to purchase a dog. But I disagree with Petland more so. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so I guess I would have to side with the HSUS.

I answered the question about how I found the forum on the other site. However, I received a popup that said a mediator had to review it before it would be posted (this happened on one of my other posts as well... Im not sure why, Im assuming that someone did not like what I had to say so I got reported and now I have to have things checked first?) last time it took about 12 hours or so before it came up. Its pretty long... but basically i search weekly for updates on Petland complaints and I limit the search criteria to websites that have been updated within the past week. I do this to see if anyone has any issues with any puppies that were sold from my store,- not that I can do anything about it now, just for curiousity's sake. Anyway, this forum popped up and I thought I would put my two cents in.

You are spreading propaganda put out by commercial breeders. HSUS is not against breeding. They believe in responsible breeding. Of course they say that a person should first consider a rescue or shelter, that a wonderful suggestion, and one that I agree with, but they also see no problem with getting a pet from a responsible breeder. As they have said, responsible breeders dogs don't end up in kill shelters. If you don't like the HSUS that's your prerogative, but be sure the reason that you don't care for it is a valid reason, and not some lies spread by commercial breeding interests.

[sevenfortythree]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You are spreading propaganda put out by commercial breeders. HSUS is not against breeding. They believe in responsible breeding. Of course they say that a person should first consider a rescue or shelter, that a wonderful suggestion, and one that I agree with, but they also see no problem with getting a pet from a responsible breeder. As they have said, responsible breeders dogs don't end up in kill shelters. If you don't like the HSUS that's your prerogative, but be sure the reason that you don't care for it is a valid reason, and not some lies spread by commercial breeding interests.

Super.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You are spreading propaganda put out by commercial breeders. HSUS is not against breeding. They believe in responsible breeding. Of course they say that a person should first consider a rescue or shelter, that a wonderful suggestion, and one that I agree with, but they also see no problem with getting a pet from a responsible breeder. As they have said, responsible breeders dogs don't end up in kill shelters. If you don't like the HSUS that's your prerogative, but be sure the reason that you don't care for it is a valid reason, and not some lies spread by commercial breeding interests.

I would have to agree with you Nancy. When I contact HSUS it was their first suggestion that there were other sources out there that MaW could be directed to for puppies to help grant a wish.

In addition to this after emailing many of the member of HSUS not one said that they were opposed to MaW granting wishes to children that involved a puppy but they all were outraged and shocked that the puppies were coming from Petland store! I was amazed that somehow this entire link between MaW and Petland has not been discovered prior to my search.

Sevenfortythree~thank you for answering my question as to how you found us. I have to say that you posted within a very sort time of the original post and I was truly courious as to how you found us. I would suggest that you stick around an continue to enjoy this forum. There is so much knowledge that is shared and YT is a great place to learn many things about yorkies and dogs in general.

[megansmomma]

I answered the question about how I found the forum on the other site. However, I received a popup that said a mediator had to review it before it would be posted (this happened on one of my other posts as well... Im not sure why, Im assuming that someone did not like what I had to say so I got reported and now I have to have things checked first?) last time it took about 12 hours or so before it came up. Its pretty long... but basically i search weekly for updates on Petland complaints and I limit the search criteria to websites that have been updated within the past week. I do this to see if anyone has any issues with any puppies that were sold from my store,- not that I can do anything about it now, just for curiousity's sake. Anyway, this forum popped up and I thought I would put my two cents in.

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When new members join and post to controversial topics I believe you might be moderated for a time. Not sure why it too 12 hours for your post to be seen. I personally did not see your reply prior to now how you found us. Thank you for clarifying this.

[sevenfortythree]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Sevenfortythree~thank you for answering my question as to how you found us. I have to say that you posted within a very sort time of the original post and I was truly courious as to how you found us. I would suggest that you stick around an continue to enjoy this forum. There is so much knowledge that is shared and YT is a great place to learn many things about yorkies and dogs in general.

I assure you that it was purely coincidence. As I said, I look for the most recently updated articles/blogs, which I guess would be why it popped up. This time [the mediator's check] only took about 30 mins...the last one took a lot longer...

[DvlshAngel985]

I hope a petition gets circled around soon. Both organizations need to be aware that by accepting donations from places like Petland (and I mean donations in the form of a puppy) they are inderectly supporting an organization that makes its gains on the suffering of living things.

I hope those that think we are trying to attack noble organizations like St Judes or Make A Wish will take a secong to think about this...
Big organizations like St Judes and Make A Wish have different departments. Some for public relations, a department for housing (if they offer housing to families... I really should be more informed about these types of organizations!!!!), and a department solely dedicated to research.
By bringing this information on puppy mills we will not be disrupting any of the great research done by doctors or scientists that work endlessly to help all the people that can benefit by their findings. We would only be bothering those people who is their job to speak to the public. Isn't that what public relations is for????

Just food for thought!

Oh! And one more thing, if a person decides they are so appauled by this situation that they will no longer be donating to these charities, then isn't it their poragative to do so? That doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. Some can want to bring this to MAW's attention without stopping any intent to donate.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I agreed 100% with you Woogieman. Tammy8833~We are not attacking MaW or St. Jude for the work that they do with sick children. I have repeatedly stated they are both wonderful charities and do great things BUT I am questioning the ethics of Petland donating to sick children for their personal gain. You need to go back and reread what has been said about this subject.

There are certain requirements that need to be met for the Make a Wish program and if they only way to grant a puppy would be from puppy from Petland it just should not be an option. How can you possibly say that puppymills are not OK except for kids that are in the Make a Wish program? Your logic here is beyond my comprehension. Puppymills are not acceptable in any shape of form EVER. I just don't understand how breeding sick dogs so that you or anyone else can have a "cheap" puppy is even an argument? To further say that because they are busy it is OK to condone the actions of Petland? All they have to do is say NO! I am not asking MaW or St. Jude himself to fight puppymills! I was questioning whether or not they knew the implications of Petland's donations and was shocked by the response that I received. I believe you have totally missed the point of this entire thread.

i never said puppy mills were ok for the sick kids i said go to the root of the problem, not the organizations that are doing good for the kids. go off on pet land and all the puppy mills. if MAW and St jude have been notified of petlands reputation great, well now its their call. i just think more energy should be concentrated on the ones doing wrong.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I hope a petition gets circled around soon. Both organizations need to be aware that by accepting donations from places like Petland (and I mean donations in the form of a puppy) they are inderectly supporting an organization that makes its gains on the suffering of living things.

I hope those that think we are trying to attack noble organizations like St Judes or Make A Wish will take a secong to think about this...
Big organizations like St Judes and Make A Wish have different departments. Some for public relations, a department for housing (if they offer housing to families... I really should be more informed about these types of organizations!!!!), and a department solely dedicated to research.
By bringing this information on puppy mills we will not be disrupting any of the great research done by doctors or scientists that work endlessly to help all the people that can benefit by their findings. We would only be bothering those people who is their job to speak to the public. Isn't that what public relations is for????

Just food for thought!

Oh! And one more thing, if a person decides they are so appauled by this situation that they will no longer be donating to these charities, then isn't it their poragative to do so? That doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. Some can want to bring this to MAW's attention without stopping any intent to donate.

I agree with you, and to answer your question about the petition, Megan's mom is working with the HSUS to come up with a petition, she will post this and links as soon as this is done.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I believe strongly in Make A Wish Foundation. With that said, as all of you know I am also a very strong advocate in shutting mills down. I'm wondering if (just a thought) but if our reputable breeders here on YT would be willing to donate a pup to a child in need? I'm wondering if WE as a group could propose a letter to MAW educating them on where these Petland pups come from and supply them with a list of REPUTABLE Breeders that would be willing to join their cause IF and ONLY IF they sever ties with Petland. I know that it may not be a Yorkie that is sought after but maybe it's a start and I'm sure these breeders have friends that breed different breeds that too may be willing to join the cause. Just some food for thought.

Elaine

i think that is a great idea elaine!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i never said puppy mills were ok for the sick kids i said go to the root of the problem, not the organizations that are doing good for the kids. go off on pet land and all the puppy mills. if MAW and St jude have been notified of petlands reputation great, well now its their call. i just think more energy should be concentrated on the ones doing wrong.

Believe me lots of energy is spent on the ones doing wrong, it just that Petland is trying to improve it's reputation by using good charities names, and this is wrong.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i never said puppy mills were ok for the sick kids i said go to the root of the problem, not the organizations that are doing good for the kids. go off on pet land and all the puppy mills. if MAW and St jude have been notified of petlands reputation great, well now its their call. i just think more energy should be concentrated on the ones doing wrong.

I think if places like St Jude and MAW were to stop their affiliation with places like Petland it would hurt Petland a lot more than news reports. News reports can publish and bring to light the plight of the animals that suffer in mills, and the people that are heartbroken over their loss have done a lot of good of putting this problem out there. I do also think that if St Jude and MAW were to cut ties and take away whatever good image Petland is getting by their association to these organizations it would HURT PETLAND TREMENDOUSLY!!!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I think if places like St Jude and MAW were to stop their affiliation with places like Petland it would hurt Petland a lot more than news reports. News reports can publish and bring to light the plight of the animals that suffer in mills, and the people that are heartbroken over their loss have done a lot of good of putting this problem out there. I do also think that if St Jude and MAW were to cut ties and take away whatever good image Petland is getting by their association to these organizations it would HURT PETLAND TREMENDOUSLY!!!!

You know I never even thought of it from that perspective, but I believe that you are right.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I hope a petition gets circled around soon. Both organizations need to be aware that by accepting donations from places like Petland (and I mean donations in the form of a puppy) they are inderectly supporting an organization that makes its gains on the suffering of living things.

I hope those that think we are trying to attack noble organizations like St Judes or Make A Wish will take a secong to think about this...
Big organizations like St Judes and Make A Wish have different departments. Some for public relations, a department for housing (if they offer housing to families... I really should be more informed about these types of organizations!!!!), and a department solely dedicated to research.
By bringing this information on puppy mills we will not be disrupting any of the great research done by doctors or scientists that work endlessly to help all the people that can benefit by their findings. We would only be bothering those people who is their job to speak to the public. Isn't that what public relations is for????

Just food for thought!

Oh! And one more thing, if a person decides they are so appauled by this situation that they will no longer be donating to these charities, then isn't it their poragative to do so? That doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. Some can want to bring this to MAW's attention without stopping any intent to donate.

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i never said puppy mills were ok for the sick kids i said go to the root of the problem, not the organizations that are doing good for the kids. go off on pet land and all the puppy mills. if MAW and St jude have been notified of petlands reputation great, well now its their call. i just think more energy should be concentrated on the ones doing wrong.

There is an alternative for MaW and St Jude and any other charity that associates itself with Petland give of puppies to sick children. I believe it is called the Breeder Registry and that is what should be offered as an alternative to the aforementioned charities. I have stated this before and for some reason you seem to be missing this point~I believe that they are being misguided by Petland's notorious lies and manipulations of the truth. HSUS has diligently been working on the puppymill crisis in this country through legislation and their class action suit by all of the customers that were lied to by Petland and their employees. I am well as many others on this board support their efforts through donations and volunteerism~do you? These charities have been deceived into thinking that this is all a made up lie by a bunch of extremists. All I was trying to do was inform MaW about their notorious history and business practices. I naively sent an email I received am answer that shocked me further. Did you not read that part of this thread? The response that I got back from Nancy Whetstone who by the way is the Director of Marketing and Public Affairs had my mouth hanging open in disbelief! I now believe that HSUS will address this issue directly with these charities with hard evidence to change their current stance and help to enlighten them to the real truth of Petland. What Petland is doing is dispicable because they have attached themselves to SICK CHILDREN AND PUPPIES IMO you really cannot get any lower than that!

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

I think if places like St Jude and MAW were to stop their affiliation with places like Petland it would hurt Petland a lot more than news reports. News reports can publish and bring to light the plight of the animals that suffer in mills, and the people that are heartbroken over their loss have done a lot of good of putting this problem out there. I do also think that if St Jude and MAW were to cut ties and take away whatever good image Petland is getting by their association to these organizations it would HURT PETLAND TREMENDOUSLY!!!!

I agree with this statement 100000%! That is what will be accomplished now that this has been brought out into the open. As soon as I hear anything back from HSUS I will be sure to let everyone. In the mean time it has been suggested to me that if you are as concerned as I and many other are that you take a minute and write to Make a Wish at this email address:


Nancy Whetstone
Director of Marketing and Public Relations

NancyW@makeawishohio.org

[BamaFan121s]

Wow...there is so much that could be said about this situation and the comments that have been made in both threads, but I wouldn't even know where to begin!

I can see what I consider to be valid points on both sides of the argument here. So just a few disjointed observations and opinions.

I don't believe that the "new member" deserves a lot of the crap that she's getting here and quite frankly I'm a bit shocked that some of the insinuations made towards her have been allowed to remain. Some of her points I agree with, some I don't, but either way...I'm not sure why she seems to be an exception to the rules here on YT.

I personally think that Petland is about as shady a business as they come and would love to see them all shut down. However, I also think it's incredibly unfortunate that MAW and St Judes stand to lose support or credibility because of their association with them. It sickens me that they are actually in support of them, but as a whole, I still think the two organizations do a whole lot more good than bad. That doesn't excuse supporting them, IMO, but there are LOTS of organizations out there that work towards a good cause overall, but that have both agreeable and condemnable methods of getting there. (Dare I say PETA?)

I see it being mentioned that there are better options, but are there? Really? I'm not so sure that may respectable breeders would be willing to donate a dog to the organization at no charge.....?

I see it as nothing more than a chance for Petland to make themselves look good by using the names and reputations of two well established and respected organizations. And that is just SORRY! They are not "out" anything. They are likely just going to write off the would-be price of the dog as a business expense and come out smelling like roses in the end.

The whole idea of hosting a birthday party at Petland is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of in my life. I fully expect to see the Octomom there with her kids celebrating their birthdays in the near future.