Puppyfind question

[my2boyz]

I have 3 biewers for sale...they are listed here and on another forum. I'm not having much luck...lots of inquiries but no one seems to be too serious.

If I decide to list them on Puppyfind does that mean I'm a bad breeder? It seems most of what I see on the forums about it is bad.

I am not a bad breeder...this is my first litter and my puppies are well cared for, well adjusted, have all of their shots, will be neutered, my prices are reasonable...etc...

But, if I use Puppyfind will I be labeled as 'one of those' breeders?

[Ellie May]

I'm sure there are many good breeders who list on sites like that but that isn't where I would start looking for a dog. I know some put ads in their local paper but I don't think Biewers would go too quickly.

I probably wouldn't not buy (lol, does that make sense?) from a breeder if they listed their pups on a questionable site either though as long as I was sure that they are doing everything they can (health testing, breeding to standard, screening potential buyers thoroughly)... That's just me though.

By the way, I'm not sure if you have a website but I may be more likely to buy from someone who does have one only because I like everything (including pics and care of the dogs) laid out in one spot and it looks more like you aren't in it just for breeding pets on the side for whatever reason.

[my2boyz]

Thank you.

No, I don't have a website...I don't have plans to breed enough to need one. I don't ship and I don't take PayPal...I've seen so many breeders bashed within an inch of their lives because they sell on the internet through a website...they take credit cards through PayPal and they ship their puppies. I've also seen posts where people say a reputable breeder would never post on puppyfind and there are so many scams there that they don't even look. So, where do I find the happy medium in this situation?

I've tried advertising in our local paper but not too many people even know what a Biewer is and it's hard to sell a dog around here unless it has 'pit' somewhere in the name! I have seen a couple of breeders on puppyfind that I know are reputable but one of them was shredded for her listing...it was outright lies.

Yes, I am new to breeding and I don't show as of yet. I do have one little male I was/am holding back to see how he turns out and I may show him in the spring if he is still here. I have done the proper tests on my dogs and my pet placements will be spayed/neutered before leaving my home.

So, am I better off taking the chance on puppyfind or would I be better off creating a website and stating that I don't ship or take PayPal?

[Breny]

HI I have browsed the Biewer section on puppyfind and I have reconized many highly respected Biewer breeders there. There are always the bad seeds but it is easy to weed them out. Have you tried the Biewer forums as well? I belong to a few and they allow you to list puppies there. Good luck with your adorable boys!

[txrosegirl]

PMd you

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'm sure there are many good breeders who list on sites like that but that isn't where I would start looking for a dog. I know some put ads in their local paper but I don't think Biewers would go too quickly.

I probably wouldn't not buy (lol, does that make sense?) from a breeder if they listed their pups on a questionable site either though as long as I was sure that they are doing everything they can (health testing, breeding to standard, screening potential buyers thoroughly)... That's just me though.

By the way, I'm not sure if you have a website but I may be more likely to buy from someone who does have one only because I like everything (including pics and care of the dogs) laid out in one spot and it looks more like you aren't in it just for breeding pets on the side for whatever reason.

I agree. While there are probably some decent breeders on Puppyfind, it is full of puppymills and backyards breeders so it's "guilt by association".

Unfortunately. the market is glutted with Yorkies (I know your puppies are Biewers) and the economy has affected the market for puppies, too.

You are not the only first time breeder who has come on here recently saying they were having trouble selling their puppies. A saavy buyer, probably the people who even know what a Biewer is, is looking for a breeder with an established reputation who is health testing, breeding to the standard, etc. as Crystal said.

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

who is health testing, breeding to the standard, etc. as Crystal said.

And I am trying to do just that but I get shot before I get out the gate because of other breeders? That's just not right. I believe in treating people as individuals...not as groups that are guilty by association. If I hang out with cheerleaders does that make me one? I don't think so...

My dogs have been health tested, raised in my home (meaning inside and under foot all day...not outside in sheds, garages or kennels) and are well adjusted...I'm just new but that doesn't mean I'm bad.

[Ellie May]

I see what you're saying.
Either way you are stuck.
I would buy from a reputable breeder who sells on PF but I probably wouldn't look there. I would not necessarily associate someone who lists on there with puppymills. I can see why that may happen though and it may very well if you list there. People are just worried that they are going to get taken.

I believe you are a reputable breeder and if I was looking for a Biewer, I would most definitely look at your dogs. Of course this does not a bit of good because the last thing we need right now is another dog. Saying that to say, a lot of people are looking for an experienced breeder but not everyone puts much emphasis on it. I would sooner buy from a breeder just starting out that I knew was doing everything right then from somebody breeding their pet and just listing on YT because testing, etc. is very important to me.

Some very good breeders ship their dogs.
I don't like the thought of it but if I really wanted a pup from a particular breeder, I'd consider it. Transporting in the cabin for a fee seems a whole lot better. Maybe offer it for a large fee?

If I 100% trusted the breeder, I wouldn't have a problem paying by Paypal.

[Nancy1999]

I don't mind a breeder having a website, it's selling from the website that I find wrong. A website can inform customers about your breeding program, and you can show pictures of the breeding pair. Pictures of puppies give so little information, but pictures of the breeding pair give lots of information. I know some people think Puppyfind is ok, I can't say for certain, and I know it's difficult when you are just starting out, and haven't developed a reputation. I would be worried about the sort of people who would respond to my ad, lots of scammers on both sides. I know there are Biewer forums that you could also list your dogs with, and it sounds like you are making lots of wise choices regarding the future of your dogs, but finding the right buyer is very difficult, I not sure how breeders go about screening their customers, but this is such an important part of the process. Best of luck, have you listed your dogs here?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by my2boyz

And I am trying to do just that but I get shot before I get out the gate because of other breeders? That's just not right. I believe in treating people as individuals...not as groups that are guilty by association. If I hang out with cheerleaders does that make me one? I don't think so...

My dogs have been health tested, raised in my home (meaning inside and under foot all day...not outside in sheds, garages or kennels) and are well adjusted...I'm just new but that doesn't mean I'm bad.

I look on puppyfind all the time. That doesn't make you a bad breeder. Do you have them listed on here? I know good breeders that list in kijiji(think that's how you spell it), usfreeads, and how about your local newspaper? I think when I have pups to sell, this is the way I'll go about it, although, I don't really want people coming to my house, so will probably meet them in a public place. ? Would love to see your babies

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

I look on puppyfind all the time. That doesn't make you a bad breeder. Do you have them listed on here? I know good breeders that list in kijiji(think that's how you spell it), usfreeads, and how about your local newspaper? I think when I have pups to sell, this is the way I'll go about it, although, I don't really want people coming to my house, so will probably meet them in a public place. ? Would love to see your babies

I always tell buyers to go to a breeder's home, if a breeder won't allow this, then a buyer should look elsewhere. A buyer needs to see how the dogs are being raised. For the breeder's safety, I would expect them to develop some type of relationship with the buyer. A puppy shouldn't be sold overnight. You can get vet references as well as other references; you want to check them out, as much as a rescue does. If you are producing pups, you are responsible for finding them a good home, and if you don't trust the people enough to even come to your home, you shouldn't sell them a helpless puppy.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Yes, this is a dilemma

I have listed on Puppy find my self in the past and I consider myself a reputable breeder. I have never sold a puppy through that site, but I did get a lot of traffic to my website because of that listing and other sites as well. I don’t really watch puppy find, but I know there are a lot of people who look at it every day, so I think it is a valuable resource and should be used. Be very specific about what you are offering, the testing you do and what you ARE NOT. Be careful about how you answer the inquiries you get, most of them I just didn’t answer because I could tell they were NOT people who I would allow to have one of my puppies. I do a thorough screening and ask for references, I would put that in my puppy find ad next time I think.

I do think if you are going to breed Biewers, and you don’t intend on keeping them all, you are going to have to get a website. You are selling to a very limited audience and most people need loads of pictures and want to know about you, your dogs, your philosophy, your home, your history etc before they invest the amount of time and money generally required for a Biewer. The Biewer is a relatively new breed and many people need to be educated on them too prior to taking them into their home. As we all know, not all Biewer breeders are created equal and there are some very destructive people out there.

By the way, I don’t ship or take pay pal (for dogs) either and that has not been a problem in selling my puppies. I just had a litter of 5 and sold all three males as pets without a problem. You do need to advertise and build up a reputation.. two of the little boys went to friends of people who had adopted from my last litter of Biewers. Find the right homes for your little guys and they will help sell the breed to others, and most likely, you as a breeder.

Network with other Biewer breeders, when I don’t have any puppies available, I always refer people who call to others that I know and trust who may have a puppy available. The Biewer community is a very close group and most of us work really well together. Keep up on the Biewer forums too.. both of the ones I belong to allow postings of available puppies. Go meet some of the other breeders at one of the shows. There is nothing like meeting some of the other people and letting them see your dogs. Lot's of great friendship are made at the shows and on the forums.

Hope this helped some, best of luck in finding the perfect home for your little guys.

-Diana

[bchgirl]

I don't think advertising on puppyfind is bad, nor do I think it makes a breeder unreputable. I know many reputable breeders who do. It's a large venue and is viewed by a lot of people. I browse it myself sometimes. I do think a website is important if listing on puppyfind....if nothing else it directs traffic to your site. Personally what information I find on a website ...is what would lead me to contact a seller. Not just the ad.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by my2boyz

And I am trying to do just that but I get shot before I get out the gate because of other breeders? That's just not right. I believe in treating people as individuals...not as groups that are guilty by association. If I hang out with cheerleaders does that make me one? I don't think so...

My dogs have been health tested, raised in my home (meaning inside and under foot all day...not outside in sheds, garages or kennels) and are well adjusted...I'm just new but that doesn't mean I'm bad.

I was just trying to answer your question honestly. Don't shoot the messenger.

There are a lot of puppymills and backyard breeders on Puppyfind, not to mention the number of stolen pictures used by unscrupulous breeders who advertise there. I was just trying to say that anyone looking for a Biewer is probably a more particular buyer and would probably not look on Puppyfind.

I think Greenwood had excellent suggestions for you.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I always tell buyers to go to a breeder's home, if a breeder won't allow this, then a buyer should look elsewhere. A buyer needs to see how the dogs are being raised. For the breeder's safety, I would expect them to develop some type of relationship with the buyer. A puppy shouldn't be sold overnight. You can get vet references as well as other references; you want to check them out, as much as a rescue does. If you are producing pups, you are responsible for finding them a good home, and if you don't trust the people enough to even come to your home, you shouldn't sell them a helpless puppy.

I TOTALLY agree... My home is ALWAYS open for the prospective new parents. I want them to see my home, my family, how the puppies are raised, the moms (I don't have any "daddy's here) and they are welcome to come by as often as they would like. It is important that the new owner and the breeder have a good relationship because they are now part of each others lives.. they get my puppy.. they get me! Like it or not, we're a package deal. LOL

-Diana