I was wondering how long it would take her to pop up on
Oprah and Dr Phil...and many more im sure , Thats why she is not showing herself..Untill she makes her big debut.

If by some crazy reason I happened to naturally get pregnant for octuplets (I would not get IVF) then I would have to. There would be no question about it. I would never personally try to have 8 babies. I would absolutely love to have twins next though.
I've never heard of anyone getting paid for IVF either personally. I would think that people might if they are participating in a study of some sort. I think it is completely unethical for any doctor to implant that many babies, but I have many issues with IVF aside from that. I think this particular case is crazy. Mainly because there was so much effort put into her having multiples. I get defensive and do take it personally because of all of the insinuations that no one can care for more than "x amount" of children. I don't think that people have that right to determine how many children a person can care for. If people are not capable of caring for that many children at one time, I guess everyone is unfit as parents that sends their children to school or daycare since there are usually at least 15 and as many as 30 or so kids in one classroom being taken care of by one teacher, and sometimes a teachers aide. Sure they are just at school, but they are at school for more awake hours with their teachers than they are at home awake spending time with their own parents.
As far as people that live off of the state, I can agree to a certain extent, but I don't think you can have someone mandatorily (is that a word, lol) sterilized because you don't feel like paying for them to support their kids. I could understand having people sterilized for giving birth to baby after baby every 9 months thats addicted to crack that just ends up in the foster care system before I can see that.
This mother has gotten a ton of media attention. If she is really not caring properly for her children I am sure it will not go unnoticed. I am not defending this mothers actions, but I will not ever want to live in a country where the government can tell me how many times I am allowed to give birth and how many children I can raise.

Of course she is selfish. I think she definitely shortened the lives of her parents.

LOL...which one of us are suprised a this current event? I know I sure as hell am not. I was just waiting on the shot to drop. I am sure that someone else will also be paying her a ton of money to get candid shots of her whole entire family and how they work things out day to day when that is done. So she is going to be riding the gravy train while the rest of us slumps work to pay for her brood of children. Funny how we have to budget and work our a$$es to the bone to pay for our children's education, food, healthcare and clothing...while someone like her will have the rest of us paying for hers. Glad to know every time we do some over time to make some extra money to take care of our own that we will be giving a third of that money that we need so badly to take care of hers.

......... this country is NOT going to get any better if we allow things like this to happen...... it is time to stand up for what is right and not tolerate all this kind of crap.
..... My fingers are about raw from typing. I have written Senators, whitehouse.com, Oprah, Good Morning America, Newspapers, & TV stations, to express the fact that the American public should NOT consider this appropriate and we need to stop helping this woman, by feeding her "fame" or allowing her to draw welfare. I even wrote GOV. Schwartzenegger (sp?)!!
If it is a mental issue, then the state needs to step in and take care of business.

:thumbs up:yeahthat::bravo::bravo::eyeballpc Good for you. And from me and the rest of us Thank You!!

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This whole situation is irritating. If you can have 14 kids and take care of them properly then fine, but if you can't even get a job to support them, then WHY?! Couldn't she have donated her embryo's instead since she didn't want them destroyed?

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I am so tired of people being so politically correct. It has gotten to the point that no one can say or do anything without offending someone. Fact of the matter is, someone who is putting someone else, in this case the children, in danger, forget herself, then yeah-IMO, she should be stopped. What if she decides 14 is not enough? She doesn't have to go through IVF to get pregnant. Whose to say that she won't just out and sleep with someone? Her own mother is saying that she needs evaulation-if it were not babies and it was drugs, she would be either in jail or hospital, what's the difference? Addiction is addiction. And the sad part is we, the taxpayers will wind up funding her health care as well as the raising of her children.

Firstly, I think the fertility doctor is probably under investigation already. What he/she did in implanting 8 embryos borders on malpractice - then you add in all of the extenuating circumstances and you wonder if the clinic did ANY due diligence at all in this case! As a nurse, it upsets me. The health issues multiple-birth and premature babies face can be devastating.

What worries me greatly is the grandmother's implication that this Mother is almost like a "hoarder" of children - that she is obsessed with having children. To me, that does not sound like a state of mind that has the best interests of the children in mind. Rather, it sounds to me like an objectification of the children, if what the grandmother said is true. If that is the case, I personally think the mother needs to have a psychological evaluation asap - if for nothing else, to be sure those children will be safe and not just an extension of some hoarding disorder. Let's hope that's not the case.

I'd be very surprised if CPS wasn't already looking into this, especially if the Mother is already at risk in providing for her current children (which seems to be the case, possibly).

Who knows - maybe she'll surprise us all and be the best mother on the planet - but given some of the facts that have surfaced, I sure hope her entire situation is looked at and assessed properly for the safety of these babies (if the facts are true, that is).

For the love and well being of these 14 children, I hope they are looking into this woman's financial, mental and emotional ability to raise these kids!
It sounds like from all these reports that her Mother knows she has a problem:

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids - Yahoo! News

If her Mother is really going to be "gone" when she comes home with these babies, what in the world is she going to do? She considers herself a professional student who lives off of grants and the taxpayers. There isn't a father in the mix to provide support of any kind, since these children are all a result of sperm donors!
This is just not normal! I don't question couples who want a large family and have the means to do it, this is clearly not the case here and someone needs to step in and get to the bottom of this!
I resent the fact and I'm angry that hard earned tax dollars supports people like this. I don't want the children to suffer, but with all the homeless, starving and out of work people in this country. This is selfish, stupid and ridiculous! IMO

Yeah, thats all YOU can afford, but, I'm sure you're paying for your children yourself. And guess what? Now you're also paying for 14 that aren't yours plus her hospital bill. I know where you're coming from, and all of this crap makes me sick

This just gets me so worked up, but, if she doesn't have her own place, and a job to pay for food, etc for these kids, then, I think the state should step in and take all her kids from her. With us, we've always paid for our children ourselves, our own hosptial bills, food bills, clothes, etc. We never have asked for one bloody dime from the taxpayers, and I wouldn't unless I absolutely had too, but, I sure wouldn't be having kids after kids and expecting other people to pay for them

She is living at her parents small, 3 bedroom ranch with her six children.

Now there will be 17 of them living there.

Nah it will be 15. Her daddy is going to go back into a dicey area so he can make more money to help her suppor them. Her mom is going to go running and screaming into the night to get away from them.

That whole thing is just a whole lot of madness. She definitely has issues and is "Hoarding" as Ann has suggested. God help them kids.

Her mom and dad should NOT allow her and her kids to live there to begin with. If she's an adult and old enough to be having kids, then she should be old enough to support them. Her parents are enabling her. If their daughter had one child it would be different, but, when she keeps doing this over and over, that's when they should have put their foot down

She needs more than some tough love. They totally enabled her craziness. I know it's a fine line to walk because they love their daughter and their grandchildren so that is why they enabled her. They sure didn't want to the children suffer. So by trying to make sure the grandbabies were ok they sure didn't do them any favors in the long run.

One of the articles said it was Her house & her parent's moved in after losing there home.

Who ever owns the house it's still too small for that size of a family. She does seem like a hoarder. We have three children (two girls and a boy) and we have three bedrooms and we are just comfortable...go figure trying to cram all those kids into that house.

ACS might need to check her out and see if she can adequately care for them.

I thought I saw on the news that they live in a two bedroom house! :eek:

In her moms interview she said three bedrooms. Whether it's two or three it's just seriously tight quarters.

You are right about it being seriously tight quarters!

If Social Services was doing a home visit for a potential Foster home, three bedrooms would not have been deemed adequate for the people in the house......let alone eight more!! But, I'm sure they will be getting all kinds of help! I feel sorry for ALL the children, what kind of chance for a "normal" existence do they have? :mad:

Don't worry as the kids get older they will find more and more excuses to hang at their friends house. You have to wonder as well how well they will do emotionally. It's hard to be a child that is just part of a crowd. How do you get the indiviudal time with your parents to develop your own personality and figure out who your gonna be when you grow up. I know that ideally children can do well in a large family but you have to wonder when they are in a family that is so large...you have to feel like you fall into the cracks of things.

I think the mother has an obsessive disorder with HAVING babies. I think she feels a "high" being pregnant and doing the things such as picking out names , dreaming of their faces , and looking at baby things but then soon after the baby is born that excitement fades and she is back trying to regain that feeling by having more and more kids.

As Ann said , she is almost hording children. I really don't think she does it because she loves children. I'm not saying she doesn't love her children, but I think it's more a case of mental instability that need to be evaluated. For her to keep having children with blatant disregard to her own financial situation is crazy ! She knows she cannot support them but that was not enough to stop her.

The clinic ...don't even get me started ! The doctor that implanted all those embryos is beyond unethical .The doctor and the relationship between the doctor and this woman needs to be looked into. No reputable doctor with any kind of ethical compass would implant that amount of eggs , in a woman who seemingly has mental issues that ANY psychological testing would have made apparent.

I have been hearing on the news she is divorced , there is no father to help raise these children , she is no where near financially able to care for her children and even her own family talks as though she is selfish and unstable for doing this. I feel sorry for her children because as more of this situation comes to light I'm sure alot of it wont be good .

You know what I think you seriously summed up her issues here. It really is such a wonderous thing carrying that life, imagining what he/she will look like, picking the names etc. Girl you sure hit it right on the head if you ask me.

Those PEOPLE who send their kids off to daycare/nursery school do so because they have to work! They are not living off tax payer's money.
I am sure they would rather be home with their children than leaving them
all day long. Most are single parents who have no other choice. Someone
has to bring home the money to support them. Most are middle class
people who are the back bone of this country! Without us there would
be no welfare, no free anything.
If you can't be self supporting but rely on the government for hand outs,
unless your disabled and continue to have children then yes you should
be fixed! I work for a non profit child care agency and believe me I see
these kind of people who live off the system. The things they do to get
free money you would never even dream of thinking about in 100 years.
They know all the in and out's of the system. Every way to beat it and
do. Amazing! One family actually returned the child after 18yrs. Why because
they could no longer collect once the child turned 18. They now wanted
another baby!. This poor kid now had no parents and was returned to the
system. They said he was not controllable but had him since birth!
You have no idea what people will do to make $.
This woman has a mental condition. Lack of brains it's called.
If you can't take care of the children you have you have no right to
have more and expect other's to pay for them! PERIOD!
That clinic should be fined. Let them pay for the bringing up of those
poor 8 babies! They brought them into the world let the government
hold them responsible.

Folks are always finding scams to get over. Shoot Carol this lady is hoping for a $2 million dollar payday.

Folks are always finding scams to get over. Shoot Carol this lady is hoping for a $2 million dollar payday.
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Sick part is she will probably get more rewards coming her way.
Wasn't this her plan to begin with? How dare she expect her father
and mother to support her.
I too won't watch Oprah ever again is she supports this looney
by having her on the show!
That clinic needs to be investigated. I would like to know where
all the money came from for the drugs she took. I know how expensive
they are too. Insurance don't pay for these drugs either.
If she had that kind of money she should have used it for the future
to support the 6 children she already has.
Both the clinic and this woman should be investigated to the fullest.
Obviously she needs help, mentally I mean.

The tax payers will have to foot the bills for her mental treatments as well...goody for us.

I am so not a person that thinks it's bad for someone to get help to get them back on their feet but this blatant abuse of the system gets under my skin.

Couple things...

1. Isn't there a legal limit to the amount of people that can live in a house depending on the size and number of bedrooms?

2. The woman definately is a 'hoarder' of children. Its NOT possible to take care of 8 newborns and give the other 6 children enough time and attention. 8 children will keep you busy 24/7. Then you need to feed 6 more, do laundry for 14, clean the house, baths, homework with some of the kids, reading books to them, tucking each one into bed. She cannot do all that alone. Its impossible. And her parents do not count for 'motherly attention' even if they do it to help out, they are not those kids MOTHER.

3. She is on welfare and getting her masters through government grants. This irks me to no end. Actually it infuriates me. I make GOOD money! I own my own townhouse, have a new car, work hard, pay taxes... and I am struggling to get a college education for my bachelors degree. Should I have kids out of wedlock when Im not ready so that I can finally get SOME help for being an upstanding citizen and not being a burden to the state and taxpayers to get an education?? Common sense!!! Why can she get a free education and be on welfare and keep pumping out kids and I can't get a PENNY of help when Im struggling and on my own with no kids, a good job, and a better sense of morals?? huh?

4. Let Oprah give her $2 million, at least then she won't be taking taxpayers money. Oprah can afford it more than we can.

5. The IVF clinic/doctor should be brought up on malpractice charges. Ethics are huge in our society today since so many are money hungry grubs. What was done was unethical and unsafe and just plain ignorant.

6. Its not possible to have 8 babies unaided. Its not meant to happen to human beings. 1, 2 and rarely 3 and 4 is about the limit of unaided pregnancies at one time.

17 percent of twins are the result of fertility treatments.
40 percent of triplets are the result of fertility treatments.

Thats my piece!! :)