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Old 01-06-2009, 12:19 PM   #1
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Grrr... I have a co-worker that owns a Shih Tzu. I've made it very clear to her how I feel about bringing puppies into the world when you don't know what you're doing, just wanna make some cash or because you think having a litter of pups will be fun & cute. She's already had 2 litters. After telling her that I'm adopting Kricket, she proceeds to tell me that she's bringing her dog to breed - again!!! I'm sure the tone in my voice says how I feel, but I also tell her that there are so many other unwanted dogs on the earth up for adoption. She just says she wants generations of the same family. I've tried to get her to understand pet stores & puppymills, and yes, backyard breeders like her and how bad they are for the animals. She just doesn't seem to get it or care, I don't know. She makes me angry and I wish she would neuter & spay her pets!!
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Its hard enough when I read about people like this, but to have to work with one would really be difficult. Nobody ever sees themselves as a backyard breeder, they all think of themselves as small breeders or hobby breeders, but if they aren't actually trying to improve the breed than they are a backyard breeder, and are definitely damaging the breed. Try not to get too upset with her, and perhaps you could give her some tips on puppy placement, and what to look for when choosing homes. If more breeders would be more selective in placing their pets, rescues and pounds wouldn't have such a problem.
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Its hard enough when I read about people like this, but to have to work with one would really be difficult. Nobody ever sees themselves as a backyard breeder, they all think of themselves as small breeders or hobby breeders, but if they aren't actually trying to improve the breed than they are a backyard breeder, and are definitely damaging the breed. Try not to get too upset with her, and perhaps you could give her some tips on puppy placement, and what to look for when choosing homes. If more breeders would be more selective in placing their pets, rescues and pounds wouldn't have such a problem.
Believe me I have! I try to stay composed most of the time when I give her advice, but it gets hard because she doesn't really listen. For instance, on her last litter I told her she should make sure to meet the whole family, inquire about other pets, maybe even do a home visit if she could, etc... But at a minimum told her she should get personal references and a vet reference for sure just to see how well they've been at taking caring of their current or previous pets. She just said she didn't have time for that. ?!?!?! Makes me so angry!! Then when I told her that she should at least sell the puppies with a no breeding or spay/neuter contract, she still said that was too much extra work!!!!! I just want to hurt her!!!!
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Believe me I have! I try to stay composed most of the time when I give her advice, but it gets hard because she doesn't really listen. For instance, on her last litter I told her she should make sure to meet the whole family, inquire about other pets, maybe even do a home visit if she could, etc... But at a minimum told her she should get personal references and a vet reference for sure just to see how well they've been at taking caring of their current or previous pets. She just said she didn't have time for that. ?!?!?! Makes me so angry!! Then when I told her that she should at least sell the puppies with a no breeding or spay/neuter contract, she still said that was too much extra work!!!!! I just want to hurt her!!!!

Well many of us belive in Karma. Really, people like that seem to take pride in doing things their own way, and not listening to others, they like to think of themselves as Mavericks!
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I know what you mean. My daughter's ex-boyfriend bought our daughter a puppy (against our wishes) the first Christmas they were together. He had his own place but she still lives at home staying there here and there. The puppy he got her is a Siberian Husky which came from the Amish community and you pretty much know what that means. Of course he gives her this puppy and her reaction is one of instant love but wondering what she'll do with it since she was still in college and working at the time. Needless to say she's very maternal as well. You know the type, if you love it you must take care of it. Besides it was too late because she fell in love with her. He also wanted to breed her (the dog). OMG!! Even my daughter was totally against that. I tried and tried to point out that there is way more to breeding then he knows or even me for that matter. Plus guess who was taking care of this puppy while they worked and she was at school because dd wouldn't leave the puppy at his house. Anyway to make this long rediculous story short, we got thru almost 3 years of this dog not being fixed or getting prego. But the day came when she was at his house and a neighbor dog wondered into the yard. She ended up having 5 puppies. Soon after they broke up, and we have the dog. Daughter finally just was able to afford to get her fixed thank goodness. But my oldest son decided to keep one of the puppies. Great dog, but a moose. I really like you don't understand why some people want to take this on when they don't know what the heck they're doing. They think it's cute and blah blah. It's just plain crazy!
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well many of us belive in karma. :d really, people like that seem to take pride in doing things their own way, and not listening to others, they like to think of themselves as mavericks!
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The puppy he got her is a Siberian Husky which came from the Amish community and you pretty much know what that means.

I don't.. What does that mean?
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I don't.. What does that mean?
Pretty much that they breed for money.
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Does she have the female to the dog she's using her male to breed with? If so, does she have a problem selling her dogs? I'm a little confused, because if shes taking care of her dog(taking good care of him, etc), then what's the difference of her breeding a shih tzu or someone breeding a yorkie?
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Its hard enough when I read about people like this, but to have to work with one would really be difficult. Nobody ever sees themselves as a backyard breeder, they all think of themselves as small breeders or hobby breeders, but if they aren't actually trying to improve the breed than they are a backyard breeder, and are definitely damaging the breed. Try not to get too upset with her, and perhaps you could give her some tips on puppy placement, and what to look for when choosing homes. If more breeders would be more selective in placing their pets, rescues and pounds wouldn't have such a problem.
Calling themselves "hobby" breeders is like putting lipstick on a pig.

Are you a Backyard Breeder?

Originally written by: Sunny Arruda (South Bay Purebred Rescue)
Personalized by: C. Guss (Bastian's Place - Feline & Canine Rescue)

Every breed of dog recognized by the AKC, UKC or CKC has a written standard, a blueprint of what the dog should look and act like. These standards were written so that all would know what a quality example of
the breed is and strive to produce dogs that meet or exceed the standard in health, temperament and appearance. To be sure that you are breeding dogs that meet these standards, your dogs must be judged by people who have a lifetime of experience among the breed. Do you know the standard of your purebred dog?

Does your dog meet this standard according to an AKC judge? If not, your dog is pet quality. Your dog is to be loved, cherished, trained, cared for, spoiled and bragged about but it is NEVER to be bred. No matter how
cute or sweet the dog may be, if it is not up to the standard, you have no business breeding it.

If you have a purebred dog, this does not give you the right to breed it. Most purebred dogs are not breeding quality. If you breed your pet quality dog, you are a backyard breeder. Whether you breed the dog in your backyard, garage, living room or an expensive hotel room, the term is still backyard breeder. If your pet quality dog has papers (AKC, UKC, CKC), that's nice but it doesn't change anything. You still don't have the
right to breed it.

If your pet quality dog cost you $500 be glad you had the money to afford it. You still don't have the right to breed it.

Do you think that you can make your $500 back if you breed your pet quality dog or if your pet is a color or a size that isn't the breed standard but you just know everyone will want to buy a pup if you breed her? Shame on you! Now you are a backyard breeder with the purpose of peddling pups for bucks.

If the price for a tail dock or an ear crop may seem high to you, what are you going to do when your beloved pet needs an emergency C section? Will you even be there to know if she is in trouble? Would you even be able to recognize the signs before it was too late?

And if you still want to breed your pet quality dog but need to ask who is supposed to cut off the tails and ears, ask yourself "What in the hell am I thinking?"

Do you think genetic testing is something they used in the OJ trial but has nothing to do with your breeding career? You are a backyard breeder.

Backyard breeders sell pup's that aren't up to the standard of the breed. They do this for many reasons. None are good enough reasons to contribute to the killing of the dogs. Period.

Backyard breeders will swear all of their pups went to good homes. They believe this but it's not true. Some may have been luck enough to go to a good home but more than half will end up dead, in a shelter, alone on a cold table with a needle sticking out of their leg. Some of those good homes will get tired of the dog and will just give it away to the first person willing to take it. Some of your beloved dog's children will end
up living alone in a backyard, barking all night, cold and neglected until the owner gets complaints and then the pup will be dead. Some will be starved and beaten. Some will be bred until they die from it.

Some will end up in a rescue and I will have to find space for them. I will have to teach them that not all humans are bad. I will remove their fleas and get rid of their worms. I will have them vaccinated for the first time in their lives because the previous owners neglected to remember. I will spay or neuter the animal to ensure it is not snatched up by someone looking to make a quick buck. I will do all of these things that the previous owner should have done because they didn't want to.

Backyard breeders are not responsible pet owners. They think they love the dogs but that isn't really true because they don't want to bother with all that it takes to breed ethically. They love feeling important when they
say "I breed purebred dogs." but breeding pet quality dogs is not something to be proud of. It is a shame on our society. It is the reason for the death that occurs in shelters. Why do you want to be part of that?

Do you want to be respected? Spay or neuter your pet dog. There is really no other way. The kinds of homes that you want for your pets puppies do not want to purchase a pup from you. They are looking for
responsible, respected breeders who are doing something for the breed as a whole. Most of those who will come running to buy one of your pups are the kind of people I wouldn't give a nasty, aggressive dog to. They
are people who will turn your sweet little puppy into a shelter once the novelty wears off. That is a fact.

Spay or neuter your pets now and tell everyone you know to do the same. Leave breeding to people who are doing something to better the breed. These people breed for quality, not quantity.

Want to be a respected breeder? Do your research and find an individual who is an educated and respected member of the dog breeding world. Ask this person to be your mentor. You need to know what you are doing before you are even ready to begin.
Have a savings account ready for any and all problems that you will encounter. Purchase only top quality bred dogs and plan on showing them. Do everything that your mentor tells you, he/she has the experience and is not just trying to push you around. Be sure that everything you do
as a breeder meets the standards which have been set for responsible breeders.

Or, Don't Breed!

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Does she have the female to the dog she's using her male to breed with? If so, does she have a problem selling her dogs? I'm a little confused, because if shes taking care of her dog(taking good care of him, etc), then what's the difference of her breeding a shih tzu or someone breeding a yorkie?
Both of her dogs a Shih Tzu's. A male and a female, both of which are not altered. She's breed the female twice before and the male one (that I know of). It's just the fact that she obviously doesn't care too much about all the abondoned animals in the world, plus she's too lazy or "busy" to make sure that they go to good homes.
And I question how good she takes care of them. She complained to me how she had to pay to take her female to the vet to see if there were any puppies in there because she wasn't sure if she was pregnant?? I doubt that she even gets their annual shots/heartworm meds because she was complaining to me that her male has some sort of growth on his nose and he keeps pawing at it and rubbing it on the floor or furniture like it bothers him. I told her she should take him to the vet, and when I asked her a couple weeks later she told me she hadn't taken him. Bottom line is that she is what's a backyard breeder, just doing it cause it's a money maker.
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Does she have the female to the dog she's using her male to breed with? If so, does she have a problem selling her dogs? I'm a little confused, because if shes taking care of her dog(taking good care of him, etc), then what's the difference of her breeding a shih tzu or someone breeding a yorkie?

I don't think she's talking about the breed - I think she's talking about unnecessary breeding.
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Does she have the female to the dog she's using her male to breed with? If so, does she have a problem selling her dogs? I'm a little confused, because if shes taking care of her dog(taking good care of him, etc), then what's the difference of her breeding a shih tzu or someone breeding a yorkie?
I don't think the problem was the fact it was a Shih Tzu, I think the problem was she was a poor breeder; it doesn't matter what the breed is.

Great post Ladymom, I hope others read it!
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