Flour Power VS Peta

[romeos mommy]

I don't agree with wearing fur.

They were trying to get world wide publicity and they succeeded.

[IndianaGirl]

Originally Posted by Lindsay1973

Peta talks for the animals who cannot talk for themselves,I am sure that they protest everywhere and not just around Celebrities.Celebrities play a huge role in todays society and therefore should be positive role models,how many people have bought a Chihuhaua just because Paris Hilton has Tinkerbell and then dumped them because she got a Yorkie?

Everyone hates people who wear fur so why do the insist on continuing to do this.Yes they shouldn't throw flour at her but at least it will wash off and wasn't blood or paint.

Who cares if their feelings are hurt animals are helpless and cannot protest for themselves.You don't see a Bear walking around wearing the latest Lindsay Lohan coat or Samantha Ronson boots.I saw a horrific e-mail about how they skin puppies alive so she can go take a long leap off a cliff.Everyone should support animal welfare organisations.

[SumosMommy]

Oh Dear....

A couple points.


1. I do not like lindsey lohan.

2. I do not wear fur, however I have a leather purse, leather wallet, leather belts. leather boots, and my car has leather interior.

3. I eat meat Very often

4. As humans I believe it is our responsibility to to take care of animals. I also think that activist groups are a great way to make people aware of the animal cruelty problem.


5. I do not think what happened with Lindsey Lohan was okay, even though it was only flour ha. It is not okay to "attack" people who make choices that they are entitled to make, even if we have different morals. For example, In my opinion it would not be okay to throw meat at a vegetarian, or condoms on a pregnant teen, or to yell and scream at someone for using un recycled toilet paper.

6. If you want to make difference as an activist then make a difference, dont go around attacking people. Protest in a Humanely, you will gain more respect this way.
Everyone needs to respect HUMAN and ANIMAL rights as well as try to better our world. It can be done without throwing flour all over the place.

7. I GUARANTEE that Samantha's argument would be completely different if lindsey lohan was the activist throwing flour on people. She is only standing up for her cause they are involved.

[lolassister]

Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle

Would you say that owning and operating a puppy mill is a personal choice-whether we agree with it or not; therefore, we don't need a law against them?

I'm not sure that's an accurate comparison. I think rather, the decision to buy a puppy from a puppy mill would be the issue. And that is a decision made a lot of times out of lack of knowledge on who to buy from, etc. So yes, there should be laws forbidding that because most buyers (until they find sites like these that shed some light on the subject) don't know any better...all they see are cute puppies to buy in pictures!

also, using such harshly opinionated words as disgusting, etc. - is in an indirect way casting the same feelings on a person as throwing paint on them. i don't really think it's fair to judge any one else - period. of course you are entitled to your opinion - but i always fall back on every mother's favorite adage, "if you don't have anything nice to say..." i'm sure yall know where that's going and trust me, you never really learn the humility behind that until you make that mistake! rather than judge someone for what they are doing, try to see things from their point of view - take a walk in their shoes...or just move on.

I stand with fur wearing to be a personal decision - one in which the government or laws really have no place. Like the others before have posted - yes, I eat meat, wear leather, and take medicine. I know you are probably wondering what that last one has to do with anything, but a lot of people don't realize medicines and treatments don't just happen, they aren't just discovered (with the exception of penicillin!). Everyone wishes for the cure for cancer - how do you think we are looking for it???

I have spent most of my summers, and working years before going back to school in a cancer research lab. And as unpleasant as it is, most of the research is done on mice and rats. I'm sure some of yall are probably horrified at the idea that I would/could agree with this, but honestly, given the choice between injecting cancer into a mouse and figuring out the most effective treatment, or telling parents their child has cancer, and will die because we haven't looked for a curative medicine - I think the decision is clear. Same for any of our dogs - big or small - god forbid anything should happen - i'm not going to deny treatment because of the history behind it - especially knowing the millions it has and will cure.

my point is - leave it to the individual in whether they want to wear something or not, or eat a certain way (as long as it's not clotting arteries!) - or live a certain lifestyle...that's the beauty of democracy- we have that choice.

[Ashley V]

Originally Posted by lolassister

I'm not sure that's an accurate comparison. I think rather, the decision to buy a puppy from a puppy mill would be the issue. And that is a decision made a lot of times out of lack of knowledge on who to buy from, etc. So yes, there should be laws forbidding that because most buyers (until they find sites like these that shed some light on the subject) don't know any better...all they see are cute puppies to buy in pictures!

also, using such harshly opinionated words as disgusting, etc. - is in an indirect way casting the same feelings on a person as throwing paint on them. i don't really think it's fair to judge any one else - period. of course you are entitled to your opinion - but i always fall back on every mother's favorite adage, "if you don't have anything nice to say..." i'm sure yall know where that's going and trust me, you never really learn the humility behind that until you make that mistake! rather than judge someone for what they are doing, try to see things from their point of view - take a walk in their shoes...or just move on.

I stand with fur wearing to be a personal decision - one in which the government or laws really have no place. Like the others before have posted - yes, I eat meat, wear leather, and take medicine. I know you are probably wondering what that last one has to do with anything, but a lot of people don't realize medicines and treatments don't just happen, they aren't just discovered (with the exception of penicillin!). Everyone wishes for the cure for cancer - how do you think we are looking for it???

I have spent most of my summers, and working years before going back to school in a cancer research lab. And as unpleasant as it is, most of the research is done on mice and rats. I'm sure some of yall are probably horrified at the idea that I would/could agree with this, but honestly, given the choice between injecting cancer into a mouse and figuring out the most effective treatment, or telling parents their child has cancer, and will die because we haven't looked for a curative medicine - I think the decision is clear. Same for any of our dogs - big or small - god forbid anything should happen - i'm not going to deny treatment because of the history behind it - especially knowing the millions it has and will cure.

my point is - leave it to the individual in whether they want to wear something or not, or eat a certain way (as long as it's not clotting arteries!) - or live a certain lifestyle...that's the beauty of democracy- we have that choice.

If you were refering to my post where I used the word "disgusting" I think you should reread the post I quoted. I was talking about a video... and what happened to those animals was absolutely AWFUL. I'm not going into details here, because it is very sickening and cruel, and is not good for someone with a weak stomach. But if you'd like I can PM you with details and I'm sure you'll change your mind when you accuse me of the equality of throwing paint on someone for my choice of words.

[SamiNFurbabies]

I love animals don't get me wrong, but the idea that humans don't face such injustice is wrong. It is just a different spectrum. I wish that there was such a terrible uproar for the type of things that human beings have to deal with every day.

I will admit I am terribly biased. I don't understand why ppl aren't that violently angry about denying someone equal rights, sexual abuse, and any other form of violence that millions of human beings experience as their daily reality.

I think that people are very angry about all those things. Very. It's a common subject covered widely on tv.
Farm Animals? Puppymills? Not so much. I have met sooo many people who don't even know what a puppymill is.
And I have faced descrimination for being an indian-irish woman ... however, I don't think that is worse than or equivilent to an animal being abused.
I guess we have to agree to dissagree. But I don't doubt your love for animals and thanks for keeping this convo civil.

[lolassister]

Originally Posted by Ashley V

If you were refering to my post where I used the word "disgusting" I think you should reread the post I quoted. I was talking about a video... and what happened to those animals was absolutely AWFUL. I'm not going into details here, because it is very sickening and cruel, and is not good for someone with a weak stomach. But if you'd like I can PM you with details and I'm sure you'll change your mind when you accuse me of the equality of throwing paint on someone for my choice of words.

I was not referring to your post. I don't deny the cruelty involved, nor do I want details I appreciate your sensitivity to the issue, but no, it was not an accusation towards the video. If you reread the previous posts there were other accusations about the choice in wearing fur being disgusting. I found that harsh.

[shawnzeppi]

I am about the most animal friendly guy in the world (no fur, no hunting, dont eat any meat..), but no one deserves to be harassed like that just because they are a celeb IMO.

The post from Lindsey's girl friend is stupid, however, and I can only assume she was being symbolic in her comparison of Californians voting against gay marriage and for animal rights. As other posters have picked up on, these two things are not in the same category and animals cannot defend themselves so people with a conscious have to. That doesnt mean animals are more or less important than people.

We dog owners (and maybe even more so precious yorkie owners) may be more attune to animal rights issues, and we know these animals are intelligent and have feelings, but lets not forget that our pets eat meat and PETA would probably be against us not feed our dogs vegetarian diets, even if that endangered their health. There is a fine line between libertarianism and amorality. That is, dont restrict the rights of others to make their own decisions about what is moral and what isnt, but there is a line that society shouldn't cross.

[Rae Rae]

Samantha Ronson is an idiot herself, and the only reason she "reaches for her computer" is because she has no courage to talk to any magazines or do any interviews and say how she really feels. She's just upset because Lindsay Lohan won't even claim her!

[CollegeCutieUSF]

Honestly, I think PETA should be spending their time and evergy "attacking" the people who are out there killing these animals and making these clothes with fur. Throwing flour/paint/blood on celebrities does nothing to draw attention to their cause. It just makes them look like a bunch of loons. I mean you don't see all the people who voted yes on Prob 8 throwing bibles at gay people. Peta isn't out there throwing things on celebrities who wear leather shoes, or regular people for that matter.

I don't believe in wearing real fur when fake fur can look as good as the real thing. But, I do have leather seats in my car, leather purses and shoes, and I also eat meat. No, we don't need meet to survive or else vegetarians would all be dead. And don't tell me that my meat was nicely put to sleep, because we all know that's not the case, and our chickens get their head chopped off, so that's definately not humane.

I guess my point in this is that PETA should start reaising awareness about how the fur was obtained, rather than throwing things at people. The celebrity didn't go out and kill the animal, they just bought the coat that someone else made with the fur that someone else killed.

We are all yorkie lovers, but we don't go around bashing people who bought their yorkies from a puppy mill or petshop. We live and we leave and we make choices. Sometimes those aren't the best choices, or others won't agree with them, but that's what makes us humans, and that's what makes this america.

[mizzwanned]

Originally Posted by Ashley V

Originally Posted by IndianaGirl

You know girl, we just might think alike!! :

lol its so true! That girl always wears fur, she even stole a fur coat from someone else!

[IndianaGirl]

Originally Posted by mizzwanned

lol its so true! That girl always wears fur, she even stole a fur coat from someone else!

Oh my gosh, she did??
I think people who wear fur is CONTRIBUTING to the harm and torture of animals. Yes, I know that they themselves didn't do it, but it doesn't make it right in my eyes. If no one would buy the fur, there would not be a demand for it. And I feel PETA may go overboard at times, but they are making people aware and thats all that matters to me

[mizzwanned]

Originally Posted by IndianaGirl

Oh my gosh, she did??
I think people who wear fur is CONTRIBUTING to the harm and torture of animals. Yes, I know that they themselves didn't do it, but it doesn't make it right in my eyes. If no one would buy the fur, there would not be a demand for it. And I feel PETA may go overboard at times, but they are making people aware and thats all that matters to me

I agree, they are bringing attention to it. I personally dont even like the look of fur on ppl, i think it looks stupid, but ppl have diff. styles. The thing is faux fur looks identical, why not just get fake fur? I have a faux fur throw and its soo warm, i dont need real fur and wouldnt want an animal to die just for me to wear it

[IndianaGirl]

Originally Posted by mizzwanned

I agree, they are bringing attention to it. I personally dont even like the look of fur on ppl, i think it looks stupid, but ppl have diff. styles. The thing is faux fur looks identical, why not just get fake fur? I have a faux fur throw and its soo warm, i dont need real fur and wouldnt want an animal to die just for me to wear it

Sarah, your too young but, The Price is Right game show used to have as prizes long fur coats. Once Bob Barker realized the pain and suffering that went with that coat, he had his models stop wearing them and they were no longer given away as prizes. Of course he used to also say after each show was to help pet population by spaying and neutering. He became educated about it and he made the change.

[SandysDaddy]

Originally Posted by CollegeCutieUSF

Honestly, I think PETA should be spending their time and evergy "attacking" the people who are out there killing these animals and making these clothes with fur.

I second that.

Anyway, I think that by her just posting that silly blog, she's giving PeTA exactly what they want. Attention.

And we all know that when PeTA's not in the spotlight doing something to get attention; they're not happy. Why do you think they pour flour and paint on celebs and not normal people walking down the streets? No one's gonna care if Jane Doe gets red paint splattered all over her new rabbit coat. But, when it happens to Lindsay Lohan- the press is all over it.

I'm a vegetarian. I don't wear fur. I don't wear leather. But, I think that if someone else wants to- that's on them. I don't agree with killing animals for fur- because we're past that and we have much better ways of keeping warm now. But, I'm not going to go to the Grammies and pour red paint on everyone that's wearing fur.

And, anyway, I don't think gay marriage and farming can be compared? I don't know. Last I checked, they were totally different issues. I'm all for gay marriage and upset that California voted it out- but, I'm not so upset that I would be angry about Prop 8. I'm sorry. I just don't see how people care about animals more. I see how SOME people do. But, why can't we all just live and let live? If someone loves animals more than humans; what's so wrong with that?