Peta

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

I think it's all PR, and no matter how much they try to justify it, it's BS to kill all of those animals that they have killed.

What is their motivation? They are secretly pathologic animal haters? Did you visit CCF's own site? That's who you trust?

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

What is their motivation? They are secretly pathologic animal haters? Did you visit CCF's own site? That's who you trust?

Not saying that their animal haters, but I think their just hypocritical if their going to kill all of these animals for no reason, yet preach how wrong it is to eat meat. But with this news coming out about them, of course they are going to try and justify it, I'm just saying I don't buy into it.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

Not saying that their animal haters, but I think their just hypocritical if their going to kill all of these animals for no reason, yet preach how wrong it is to eat meat. But with this news coming out about them, of course they are going to try and justify it, I'm just saying I don't buy into it.

Well as far as them killing them for no reason, I'll just quote my OP again.

"For many of the animals we do accept-such as those who are injured, elderly, aggressive, or otherwise unadoptable-we are a "shelter of last resort," offering a humane death to those who would otherwise suffer a slow and painful end"
"PETA will not turn its back on these animals simply because they might make our "numbers" look bad."

That's an excellent reason IMO and rescue workers at YT have said they often have turn away these animals because of lack of funding. When these animals are turned away, what do you propose should be done with them?

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

Well I'm sure every shelter, rescue and yes, PETA wishes they had the funding to get vet care for every animal in need. PETA uses it's funding toward spaying/neutering and yes, euthanizing when that is the last option. We have had rescue worker right here at YT tell us they have to turn away unadoptable animals (too sick, too aggressive, etc.). What do you think happens to these animals?

This is exactly correct. There is a 3-tiered triage system developed by and used by Humane Assns. (it has an acronymn, I'll dig it up) when they receive an animal. 1 tier is adoptable (right away), the 2nd tier is "not adoptable but able to rehabilitate", the 3rd tier is "not adoptable and not able to rehabilitate (or critical injury)". Humane assn's take tier 3 animals and they are euthanized asap - no ifs, ands, or buts. What happens to PETA - is that they go into devastating situations (for animals) and find creatures who are so near death and/or so horribly tortured and violent themselves (again, immed. euth. by HA's) - that they almost always end up with animals in the tier 3 category - HENCE, the terribly high euth. rate.

The don't get animals who are surrendered by people "moving to a new home" - they get animals they rescue from fur farms, puppy mills, medical testing facilities (I mean, you can't rehab most medical tested animals who have open skulls, are vivisected, or have metal implants all over their bodies), and cosmetic tested animals who are wrecked with chemicals.

I guess my point is PETA has done a heck of alot of good for awareness of what HAPPENS out there to animals. Do ya think we'd know about the cat and dog fur farms in China if it weren't for them? No. While PETA does some things that annoy the piss out of me, I also think they push a limit that needs to be pushed JUST TO PAVE THE WAY FOR OTHERS TO EVEN APPROACH THAT LIMIT. Ya know?

[Ellie May]

It really doesn't make any difference to me what good they do. Their ultimately goal is still the same, right? So while I like their videos I don't think I'm actually supporting them by watching. If I was, then I wouldn't watch. There is no way that I would ever consider supporting such nonsense (elimination of pets). All of you that are sort of okay with PETA, I know you don't agree with their end goal, so why support them at all?

[chachi]

Peta has become to radical for me to support completely. They have done a wonderful job spreading awareness of the Fur Industry though. Also on spreading awareness of how inhumainely livestock are slaughtered. I do think they get some bad publicity that is not accurate sometimes because their are other groups that dont like them. I just wish they would change their stance on responsible pet ownership

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

It really doesn't make any difference to me what good they do. Their ultimately goal is still the same, right? So while I like their videos I don't think I'm actually supporting them by watching. If I was, then I wouldn't watch. There is no way that I would ever consider supporting such nonsense (elimination of pets). All of you that are sort of okay with PETA, I know you don't agree with their end goal, so why support them at all?

I don't see that as a major goal in anything they do. I think for the most part it's something people hear other's say and run wild with it.
You are certainly free not to support them, I've never given them money myself. However, while trying to find this huge agenda that you are so afraid of I found some things I didn't know and truthfully after spending some time researching for myself instead of listening to rumors, I am a lot more willing to support them. You might find this interesting for example- http://www.caringconsumer.com/products_cocacola.asp or this http://www.peta.org/about/victoryItem.asp?VictoryID=397 or this http://www.peta25.com/animalRescues.asp. You can disagree with PETA's methods but I am not sure how any animal lover can say "it doesn't make a difference what good they do" . Here are some of the things they are working to accomplish- http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/actionalerts.asp. These are the things that don't matter to you? You can't really feel that way, it's heartless.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

It really doesn't make any difference to me what good they do. Their ultimately goal is still the same, right? So while I like their videos I don't think I'm actually supporting them by watching. If I was, then I wouldn't watch. There is no way that I would ever consider supporting such nonsense (elimination of pets). All of you that are sort of okay with PETA, I know you don't agree with their end goal, so why support them at all?

I've heard, just like everyone else that PETA would like to see an end to animals as pets. Here are what they are in reality promoting: http://www.peta.org/mc/printAds_companion.asp

saying/neutering
not buying from petstores
not buying pets as Christmas gifts
not leaving dogs locked in cars
supporting shelters and rescues
not chaining your dog.

Guess what? The same things we all advocate.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

There is no way that I would ever consider supporting such nonsense (elimination of pets). All of you that are sort of okay with PETA, I know you don't agree with their end goal, so why support them at all?

Originally Posted by from PETA website

“Does PETA believe that people shouldn’t have pets?”

The earliest fossils that resemble the bones of modern dogs are about 12,000 years old, so we know that humans’ fascination with domesticated wolves began at least that long ago. About 5,000 years ago, Egyptians became the first to tame cats, whom they used to control the rodent population. Since then, the breeding and care of cats and dogs has exploded into a love affair, a sport, and a booming business. This international pastime has created an overpopulation crisis, and as a result, every year, millions of unwanted animals suffer at the hands of abusers, languish in shelters, and are euthanized. Adopting a cat or dog from a shelter and providing a loving home is a small but powerful way to prevent some of this suffering. The most important thing that animal guardians can do is to spay or neuter their animals and avoid buying animals from breeders or pet stores, which contribute to the overpopulation crisis.

^^That's PETA's answer from their website, just fyi. I've been a member of PETA since I was 18 (for 22 years) and I've never seen or read anything from them that recommends the elimination of all contact w/ animals. The only folks I've ever heard it from is anti-PETA organizations. I'm open to reading it, however, if you have the info from them. I would still support them though - bc I think they're tactics, unfortunately, are still needed in terms of awareness.

I believe there is room for everyone. I'm a democrat (like you hadn't guessed, lol!), but I would never suggest that republicans have no place in the world. I think we need "right, left, and middle" in order to understand the full spectrum of what is occurring. SO, I do believe we need PETA - as well as the more passive animal organizations - organizations who do nothing for animal rights, but who do provide direct care (and we still need both, sadly, in this world of cruelty).

The question of "why support them at all" - led me partially to the above ^ explanation - as in, I don't think it truly is an ultimate goal; if it is, I'll support them in the meantime while they are achieving what are, in my estimation, needed goals of awareness (shocking and offensive though it may be). I mean, I don't support President Bush's "end goal" one bit (as I interpret it) - but I still support some of the good work that his troops achieve.

That's just my 2 kibbles. And, Crystal, you're one of the last people on this board that I'd want to alienate (from me, that is) bc I have such an affinity for you - you're one my fellow nutrition-junkies (is that an oxymoron, btw?), so I hope this hasn't offended.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by chachi

Peta has become to radical for me to support completely. They have done a wonderful job spreading awareness of the Fur Industry though. Also on spreading awareness of how inhumainely livestock are slaughtered. I do think they get some bad publicity that is not accurate sometimes because their are other groups that dont like them. I just wish they would change their stance on responsible pet ownership

I completely 100% understand that not everyone is comfortable with PETA. Originally my point for this thread wasn't actually to be their cheerleader it was only to point out who was behind the "PETA kills" campaign and to offer a different side.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

^^That's PETA's answer from their website, just fyi. I've been a member of PETA since I was 18 (for 22 years) and I've never seen or read anything from them that recommends the elimination of all contact w/ animals. The only folks I've ever heard it from is anti-PETA organizations. I'm open to reading it, however, if you have the info from them. I would still support them though - bc I think they're tactics, unfortunately, are still needed in terms of awareness.

I believe there is room for everyone. I'm a democrat (like you hadn't guessed, lol!), but I would never suggest that republicans have no place in the world. I think we need "right, left, and middle" in order to understand the full spectrum of what is occurring. SO, I do believe we need PETA - as well as the more passive animal organizations - organizations who do nothing for animal rights, but who do provide direct care (and we still need both, sadly, in this world of cruelty).

The question of "why support them at all" - led me partially to the above ^ explanation - as in, I don't think it truly is an ultimate goal; if it is, I'll support them in the meantime while they are achieving what are, in my estimation, needed goals of awareness (shocking and offensive though it may be). I mean, I don't support President Bush's "end goal" one bit (as I interpret it) - but I still support some of the good work that his troops achieve.

That's just my 2 kibbles. And, Crystal, you're one of the last people on this board that I'd want to alienate (from me, that is) bc I have such an affinity for you - you're one my fellow nutrition-junkies (is that an oxymoron, btw?), so I hope this hasn't offended.

Man you are good! I was looking everywhere for that. I assumed it was one of those things people like to pass around without ever looking it up for themselve but I just couldn't find it. You rock!

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

I don't see that as a major goal in anything they do. I think for the most part it's something people hear other's say and run wild with it.
You are certainly free not to support them, I've never given them money myself. However, while trying to find this huge agenda that you are so afraid of I found some things I didn't know and truthfully after spending some time researching for myself instead of listening to rumors, I am a lot more willing to support them. You might find this interesting for example- http://www.caringconsumer.com/products_cocacola.asp or this http://www.peta.org/about/victoryItem.asp?VictoryID=397 or this http://www.peta25.com/animalRescues.asp. You can disagree with PETA's methods but I am not sure how any animal lover can say "it doesn't make a difference what good they do" . Here are some of the things they are working to accomplish- http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/actionalerts.asp. These are the things that don't matter to you? You can't really feel that way, it's heartless.

Maybe that came out wrong. Sure, the things they have done to help animals is nice, but it doesn't negate the fact that they do equally ridiculous things. I'm not going to support them just because they have done some good things.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

^^That's PETA's answer from their website, just fyi. I've been a member of PETA since I was 18 (for 22 years) and I've never seen or read anything from them that recommends the elimination of all contact w/ animals. The only folks I've ever heard it from is anti-PETA organizations. I'm open to reading it, however, if you have the info from them. I would still support them though - bc I think they're tactics, unfortunately, are still needed in terms of awareness.

I believe there is room for everyone. I'm a democrat (like you hadn't guessed, lol!), but I would never suggest that republicans have no place in the world. I think we need "right, left, and middle" in order to understand the full spectrum of what is occurring. SO, I do believe we need PETA - as well as the more passive animal organizations - organizations who do nothing for animal rights, but who do provide direct care (and we still need both, sadly, in this world of cruelty).

The question of "why support them at all" - led me partially to the above ^ explanation - as in, I don't think it truly is an ultimate goal; if it is, I'll support them in the meantime while they are achieving what are, in my estimation, needed goals of awareness (shocking and offensive though it may be). I mean, I don't support President Bush's "end goal" one bit (as I interpret it) - but I still support some of the good work that his troops achieve.

That's just my 2 kibbles. And, Crystal, you're one of the last people on this board that I'd want to alienate (from me, that is) bc I have such an affinity for you - you're one my fellow nutrition-junkies (is that an oxymoron, btw?), so I hope this hasn't offended.

There is one of the reasons I don't support them right there. They don't think we should buy from breeders. So we should all go adopt from shelters? Everyone that has a dog should have a mixed breed and we can just stop the whole breeding thing..........ain't no way I'd go for that. And what is so wrong with dog sports? Yes, dog fighting is wrong (and should be stopped), and breeding could get out of control with dog sports and shows but are they saying these activites should be stopped?

I didn't know that they don't advocate eliminating all companion animals (which is good) but they are entirely too radical. I should probably say to you PETA people, it isn't just PETA I don't like. I also don't support the Humane Society of the United States. Okay, lemme have it. There are local shelters that call themselves the humane society and don't have anything to do with the national one though. Has the Humane Society done good things? Yes. But they irritate the heck out of me (just like PETA).

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Maybe that came out wrong. Sure, the things they have done to help animals is nice, but it doesn't negate the fact that they do equally ridiculous things. I'm not going to support them just because they have done some good things.

What ridiculous things have they done that upset you? I'm honestly just curious because I'm still learning.

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

There is one of the reasons I don't support them right there. They don't think we should buy from breeders. So we should all go adopt from shelters? Everyone that has a dog should have a mixed breed and we can just stop the whole breeding thing..........ain't no way I'd go for that. And what is so wrong with dog sports? Yes, dog fighting is wrong (and should be stopped), and breeding could get out of control with dog sports and shows but are they saying these activites should be stopped?

I didn't know that they don't advocate eliminating all companion animals (which is good) but they are entirely too radical. I should probably say to you PETA people, it isn't just PETA I don't like. I also don't support the Humane Society of the United States. Okay, lemme have it. There are local shelters that call themselves the humane society and don't have anything to do with the national one though. Has the Humane Society done good things? Yes. But they irritate the heck out of me (just like PETA).

I support both the Humane Society and the ASPCA- I'm a total radical! I don't agree that nobody should purchase from breeders either although I do understand why they, as a group do. Do you expect to agree 100% or not at all? I think believing 100% of any "group thinking" is indicative of being brain washed.