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Old 12-02-2007, 08:47 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Argh, Petland!

I just noticed a Petland going up in a strip mall in our community!!!! I'm so upset! They have a reputation to sell puppies-puppies that are from mills, not actually purebred, and not "standard" to their breeds!

I wish this wasn't going in-it looks like it will be opening soon. What a bummer.

Look at this BS from their website-it just hots me off!!!

Petland stores offer tropical and marine fish, domestically bred pet birds, small animals, reptiles, puppies, kittens and the best foods and accessories on the market to care for them. Because the Petland Operating System has more than 35 years of experience in specialty pet retail operations and in handling millions of transactions with all types of customers, Petland knows what pet owners need.
People shop pet stores where they can find answers to their pet questions, where they know their pet will receive special attention. And customer service at a Petland store is very different from the service you may have experienced in most retail stores. That’s because Petland Pet Counselors are trained to ask questions of customers to determine what their pet eats, how their pet is housed, how their pet’s behavior is managed, and what kind of equipment is used to make pet care easier and more effective.

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Petland is aware of the many animal welfare issues in the news today. We know that members of some animal rights groups would have you believe that all pet store puppies are bred and raised in substandard facilities. This is untrue. Petland also disagrees with the agenda of animal rights groups that would deny people the right to own and live with companion pets.
Like you, members of the Petland family love pets, and we share your animal welfare concerns. The health and well-being of our pets comes first for each of us at Petland.
Petland stores are independently operated by qualified franchisees. Each is responsible for choosing healthy pets offered to Petland customers. Petland, Inc. provides each Petland store with humane care guidelines to assist in this important task.

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Our registerable pets come from professional and hobby breeders who have years of experience in raising quality family pets. Petland puppies and kittens are checked by at least two and in most cases three veterinarians before being offered to our customers. Trained Petland kennel technicians check the health of our puppies and kittens every day. Weight, temperature and eating habits are monitored and records are kept.
Any inconsistencies are noted and reported to local consulting veterinarians who provide follow-up care. Petland’s custom-designed kennels are larger in all dimensions than recommended by the United States Department of Agriculture. Our kennels are designed to be easily disassembled and are cleaned continuously each day.
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I remember over hearing one of Petlands "trained techs" tell a puppy buyer that the pup was going to be show quality. What a joke!!!!!
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Here's more information about Petland:

http://www.petstorecruelty.org/boycottpetland.htm

http://www.caps-web.org/petland.php

http://www.petstorecruelty.org/USDA%...20breeders.htm
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Thanks for the extra info. I'm so upset, I wish it wasn't going in here...people threw a huge stink when they wanted to build a Wal-Mart in that area, and it had to go through all kinds of petitioning in order to get built. They have regulated hours (not 24 hour like most Wal-Marts), and changed some of the building finishes to make it "more upscale"... if people would only spend some of that energy on keeping stores like Petland out!!!
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What's so sad is that so many people still don't seem to know that pet shops get their puppies from puppy mills no matter what they tell you.

It's a huge consumer rip off, too. I don't see why more attention isn't paid to that aspect of it. Pet stores get big prices for puppy mill puppies. You can get an AKC puppy from a reputable breeder for what pet stores charge.
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I highly doubt that their puppies are checked by 2 local vets, like the site says. Maybe someone can go to petland, ask for documentation on the pups have two vet checks, and if they can't provide it, they can get in legal trouble for lying to consumers on their site. I know it's not much, but it definitly would be a start in taking Petland down. Just gotta prove all their little lies wrong. Also, Petland usually says "local breeders"..see if you can contact the breeders themselves? If they refuse, sometimes threatening to not purchase (even though I wouldn't buy from them anyways) will get stores to give into you.

I also LOVE how it says the staff is "trained to answer questions"...yeah, their trained to lie and twist the truth!!!
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and most of the time you can get that AKC puppy from a reputable breeder for less than Petsland. And you will have a lifetime of help from the breeder.
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Thanks for the extra info. I'm so upset, I wish it wasn't going in here...people threw a huge stink when they wanted to build a Wal-Mart in that area, and it had to go through all kinds of petitioning in order to get built. They have regulated hours (not 24 hour like most Wal-Marts), and changed some of the building finishes to make it "more upscale"... if people would only spend some of that energy on keeping stores like Petland out!!!
Maybe you can get people in your community to start a petition and protest petland. Maybe the local news will even report on puppymills and some of the bad stories from petland
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I highly doubt that their puppies are checked by 2 local vets, like the site says. Maybe someone can go to petland, ask for documentation on the pups have two vet checks, and if they can't provide it, they can get in legal trouble for lying to consumers on their site. I know it's not much, but it definitly would be a start in taking Petland down. Just gotta prove all their little lies wrong. Also, Petland usually says "local breeders"..see if you can contact the breeders themselves? If they refuse, sometimes threatening to not purchase (even though I wouldn't buy from them anyways) will get stores to give into you.

I also LOVE how it says the staff is "trained to answer questions"...yeah, their trained to lie and twist the truth!!!
Pet stores count on impulse buys, people who fall in love with that puppy in a cage and have to have it NOW without asking too many questions or people who feel they have to "rescue" the puppy.

Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner

Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there.

Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies.

I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know.

Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem.

If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills.

As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? It's expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous!

Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it.

Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage.

It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. It's all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something.

Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year.

There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too!

I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to.


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but unfortunately true. the petland by me sells almost every dog in the toy group and the have multiples.the prices are around 2000.00 dollars.I went there for supplies as I didn't know they sold dogs and I looked at a couple of yorkies.they looked like yorkie/silky mix for 1800 and they were about the size of a full grown standard size yorkie at only 12wks. IT IS SAD but some people truly don't know any better they think that the large dollar amount guarantees them quality and health.
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Pet stores count on impulse buys, people who fall in love with that puppy in a cage and have to have it NOW without asking too many questions or people who feel they have to "rescue" the puppy.

Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner

Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there.

Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies.

I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know.

Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem.

If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills.

As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? It's expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous!

Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it.

Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage.

It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. It's all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something.

Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year.

There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too!

I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to.


http://dogplay.com/GettingDog/petshop1.html
I HATE when people buy from a petstore to "rescue" a puppy...just as bad as buying one for any other reason to me. You're still lining the pockets of petstores and BYBs and allowing them to continue breeding You can't save them all...and buy buying once, it's only going to be replaced by another puppy. "Rescuing" petstore puppies does NOT help get puppymills put out of business
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OH - I'm sick about this!!!!!! I didn't know they were coming to the Des Moines Iowa area until Suzy told me. And I allowed the business of December & a 10 day trip out of town to get the way of voicing my opinion.

This weekend I've been reading how to stop Petland & I just thought I better go & see when that thing is scheduled to open -- They opened Yesterday!!! URGGGGGGGGGG

I wish I could have been out there protesting at their grand opening.

No one has tried to stop it as far as I can tell. Not the people of West Des Moines, where it has opened in a very upscale area. The tV stations & newspapers haven't mentioned it.

I just checked the Des Moines Register website & all they did was say it was opening in a column they have about the comings & goings of local businesses.

Would you PLEASE HELP & POST SOMETHING ON THEIR SITE ABOUT THE HORRORS OF PETLAND. Here's the place to leave a comment - you'll have to create an acct. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...D=200880106002

How long before the newspaper is having to write stories about sick & dying puppies being purchased there??!! People need to be educated

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thanks for the post I know they will not get my business plus i will tell my family and neighbors not to shop there.
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I just wish we would have known about this earlier & tried to stop the city form allowing Petland - this same area warred about having a Wal-Mart for months. I look at the petition & the work being done to stop a Petland from going to Austin, Texas & wish we could have done the same
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