It's a shame it is not as easy as people just speaking up quicker. We have all seen the threads where someone has tried to speak up and it gets turned around to the point they end up having to defend themselves. Who wants to go through that over a few dollars?
Or you get everyone jumping in defending either side, it gets heated, the thread gets closed and nobody knows what to believe.
It takes something big like this, where someone is clearly the bad guy, before the truth comes out.

Not only that but people want to believe the best of others and give them the benefit of doubt. That is wonderful but also why we will see this happen again and again here where there are so many good-hearted people.

I was just reading all the posts that have come up since I last posted...my only comment now besides talking about my disgust in here is that I really hope someone calls childrens aid on her..even though they have come and seen her before...a few more calls might be what it takes to have her truly investigated..maybe if those who have seen her home can call and explain exactly what they saw..the farm animals, the feces, no running water or well for that matter, fleas....also a call to the humane society at the same time would be helpful..someone has to stop this lady..

I am so sorry this happend to you! Do you have children? I too have been burnt by making loans but it was to a close "friend" who obviously was not a friend in heinsight.I feel sorry for her dogs and kids living in deplorable conditions! Some people have no conscience. You have a kind soul!

I have learned a lesson ...
 

but do you know for sure that she still lives there???

I know my heart is big, but I need to remember that my wallet is not as bigh as my heart .... I am going to make sure my family comes first, before giving any more hand outs ...
Janell was MORE than generous with 600$, I know she also donated a lot to help that man get a new puppy, a total stranger and she opened her heart and her wallet ...
As of now, people who need money for clothes, money for transportation, money for new puppies to replace their dearly departed, money to search for a lost puppy, they will have to work it out for themselves.
I have faith in others still, just have learned a valuable lesson here.
And, yes, I am afraid some people will jump on me for having said that!

I give to Yorkshire Terrier Rescue Network, American Diabetes Assoc., Home for the Blind, the heart Fund and the Cancer Fund ... at least I can hope my funds go for research.
I would warn others to be careful where they decide to "donate" ...
I could list all the members i have donated to, and why? Because I felt bad for them. I find it hard to believe people will take other people's money ... I shall not list them, b/c I bet they would be embarrassed now.


**Warning*** keep your money for your family ....
and pray that this girl literally cleans up her act and takes care of her children and dogs properly.

good advice ... charity begins at home, as they say!!!

I agree Monday but there are a few exceptions. We have been taken advantage of by a long standing member (me twice) but there are some I just could not say 'no' to if I had it. Giving to a national charity is the best or someone in your own neighborhood that needs help. I give to the Humane Society once a year but maybe will use it in another way this year. If we could only teach people to not trust every person that comes on here with a sad story it would be great.

from what i gather, potty training has been quite difficult for the pups and their new owners. i know my friend that has one has had a very hard time. and i believe the owner of the pup i took to texas is having a difficult time as well. i know i had a very difficult time during the days she was here. she never once used the pee pads that i had all over the place. she preferred the carpet...probably because she was used to it!! :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

Has anyone reported her living conditions to CPS or to the Humane Society?

I agree someone who has seen these conditions needs to report it even if childrens services has been out before.

Great post Patti .. I feel the same as you do.

The state attorney has been helpful to me in Florida. You most likely can form a complaint online in the state where she lives.
Good luck to you. You have such a positive attitude and are a great role model for us all!

Well after catching up on all the posts this morning, I can only say again, thank you YT members for exposing this person to me before she got my pup. I always reserve the right to cancel any sale at any time when I place ads. This is not the only scam artist on YT. There are a few more. Only recently, someone claimed to be looking for a pup from a few of us and i haven't quite figured it all out yet, but I think she was thinking she could scam some of us breeders into putting a puppy on the plane to her before we got money by claiming to have sent money which never arrived. in these days of lawsuits and etc, you have to be very careful of anything. If it smells like a scam of some sort, it usually is. I am not going to post on Janelle's thread anymore but once again YT members, thanks for saving my puppies life.

You are SO right!!:thumbup: These are my feelings exactly! I can't count the times this has happened. People are sometimes so worried about policing what others are saying that they aren't even concerned about the real problem at hand. :( Who others feel is being 'rude' is more of a problem than the new member who just joined bragging about breeding her 3 pound female.:confused: Well, now we see where that gets us.

I have donated ....
 

Baby Blessing, Let me go on the record to say that I had donated more than 100$ to help make it possible for this man to get his dog .... Via personal check and Paypal ...
What I am saying is we should be more cautious ... I am not rich but I do give from my heart!
After reading about these scams and cons, I am going to be more careful
Yes, I am glad we can all express our feelings and act on our emotions.
Bless your heart! No hard feelings --- my decisions had already been made -- I just will be a bit more careful in the future.

Selfishness and Greed.

That is the only two words I can think of to sum up what I've just read here. Anyone who would continue to bring puppies into the world under those conditions can't be described any other way. I am so glad to hear that Dee's baby did not end up in that kind of life! You just never know who you could really be dealing with and I commend the person who let her know! Good job.
As a breeder I am well aware of the work involved in raising babies and sometimes it's gets a little messy, but sanitation is a must when having animals in your home. I know there have been times in the past that I have had a friend over and had babies playing in their play pen and my friend would comment on how clean and happy they were, when all I'm thinking to myself is "not until I pull every thing out for the third time today and mop/disinfect again" and I'm sure those of you who read this and also raise animals are feeling me.
I just can't comprehend why someone would intentionally add to an already bad situation, and I am trying to say that in the nicest way I know how... I do not look down on anyone for what they have...I believe it is not what you have, but how you keep it.
If you can't afford to properly care for animals you should not have them. If you do not even have the decency as a human being to keep your home sanitary you should not have them. If you want to live in filth, that's fine...just don't force innocent children and animals to do it along with you!

I am sorry that you guys had to go through this, with the sick babies and also the money/dishonesty. I am not able to keep as up to date on the forum as I used to, I have a full plate with my family and we are a busy crew these days but this thread jumped out at me because I had read things in the past concerning this user and was aware of others initially trying to warn about this "situation/person". I also hope the family now has running water, and I hope they are able to improve on their situation and find some solutions. I also hope they will never bring another animal into this world under those conditions. I don't think they truly realize the long term damage to others (like LuvMyJake for example) that results from their "sorriness". I'm sorry to have to refer to someone in that way but that's exactly what it appears to be.

What can I say? Your girls who were involved with this person did the
best you could. Bless those of you who saved the pups that you did.
My heart goes out to those poor children and other dogs she still has.
I know desperate people do desperate things but there is no reason
for filth. If you can allow your children to live in this manner what chance
does a helpless pup have? To think a member here was actually no better than a BYB or puppymill is very scary. Thank heavens Sugarmom's pup was saved from a life of horror and sadness. It's very doubtfull you will see any money owed to you but know in your hearts you tried to help a desperate person who just has no interest in helping herself or children.
Don't be so hard on yourselves, you did nothing wrong.

I'm disgusted at all of these situations posted on here by her! What a disgrace to humans that she could be such..I don't think I can post the word on here! I'm so sorry for those of of you who have gotten scammed. Remember, karma is a *****, and she will get what's coming to her. Sounds like she kinda already has whats coming to her with her living conditions.

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I don't usually comment on threads like this, but this was a very necessary thread to put out. It was done well and in a very respectful manner. Thanks for putting out the word (while keeping your word) so that the rest of us would not be taken in as you were.

Everyone's posts have been awesome and I'm proud to be a member of this great forum!

If it were me I would most definitely take her to small claims court. It's no longer about the money (though $600 is a lot) it's the principle. And a way for horrible people like Alycia to stop taking advantage of good people unlike her. Carma is a bit** and hopefully she gets it 10 fold. Janelle, I'm so sorry for you and everyone else who has been scammed by her. Please do not take this kind of betrayel and teach these kinds of awful people a lesson. TAKE HER TO SMALL CLAIMS. I would highly encourage it.

I was afraid of that, and it certainly isn't the fault of the puppies. I'm just thankful that they are all healthy, in spite of their living conditions. Not a good way for a little puppy to start their life, but at least they are all now in happy, clean homes.

Do remember though, most inherited problems do not show up until 2 yrs or after.

I know, and I just pray that they will all be okay. At least they are in good homes and being loved and cared for now.

I agree with you that people should speak up sooner, but it's not as easy as that sometimes. I did speak up to people about her in order to avoid another puppy going into her home. I tried to do it "behind the scenes", if you will, because I didn't want to stir up any trouble on YT. I did not know about the money Janell loaned her until AFTER I had already brought Lily home. I didn't feel that it was my place to say anything about that because I knew that Janell was giving her time to pay. You have to realize how very hard the whole situation was for me. I thought long and hard before I actually spoke up to people. I knew in my heart that I was doing the right thing, but it wasn't easy to do. The last thing I wanted to do was to publicly humiliate Willow. I knew that I had to try to stop anymore puppies from going into that home, but I wanted to go about it in a way that would save embarrassment to all involved. I also did not know many of the people involved so I wasn't sure how they would perceive me. At the time, things were very rough because I was trying to care for a very sick puppy, and I didn't want to put myself in a situation where I would have to defend myself if I had exposed her publicly. My one regret is that I didn't take pictures while I was there. I did take my camera and had intended to take pictures of Lily and the other puppies with Willow. But, once I saw the living conditions and how sick Lily truly was, my main concern was getting her home and taking care of her. After Lily passed, I had a very hard time. I had been caring for her 24/7, so I got attached to her very quickly. I had convinced myself that she would be okay, and she did seem to get so much better at first. I even blamed myself, thinking that maybe I didn't do enough. I felt like I had failed Lily. So, I was dealing with alot of different emotions at the time. I still have a hard time with it. But, I knew that once Janell posted about her, that I needed to also speak up. I don't want anyone to ever have to go through what my husband and I did. And, I don't want any other little innocent puppy to go into that home. Many, many people knew the truth. I even got a nasty PM from someone who was mad that I got Lily so young. Yes, I got her very young. I would never ever do that normally. I honestly felt it was in Lily's best interest to come home with me. It wasn't a decision I made easily. I wanted to help her in any way I could. I wanted her to get good vet care and to at least have a chance at life. And, I knew that even if she was not going to make it, that she would at least be able to experience being loved and cared for in the short time she was here. That is the one thing in all of this mess that I know for sure. Lily KNEW that she was very much loved.

So, I feel that although I did not speak up publicly, I did everything I could to make sure no other puppy went to Willow. I felt so relieved when I found that the sale was cancelled. I felt like I possibly saved one more little innocent life. I probably should have tried to do more, and I apologize for that.

Wow, I'm sorry you had to go through all of that. And for everyone else who suffered because of this situation as well. It seems you really tried your hardest to do what was right, and I understand your reservations about going public with your knowledge. Thank you for trying to prevent others from having to go through the pain and heartache that she caused you and your husband. That was very courageous of you!

Look what BamaFan went through for speaking up about this very subject. It is not all that easy to come out and tell the world but you can pm people who you see falling into the same trap.

LovemyJake you did a wonderful thing for Lily and take the pm with a grain of salt.

Thank you, I appreciate that. At first, that PM almost caused me to leave YT and I did change my user name. But, there are VERY many nice people on her who showed me so much kindness through everything that I knew I couldn't leave just because of one person who didn't even know what they were talking about. What they said about me in the PM didn't bother me, it's what they said about my little Lily that hurt. They even talked bad about my other yorkie, Jake. Normally, I would have just dismissed the whole thing as some idiot with nothing better to do. But, the PM came on the day Lily died and that was hard. I don't even give that PM a thought anymore, and the only reason I brought it up now is to show why people tend not to speak up publicly. It's not always as easy as it sounds. I do want to say, though, there are many more nice, thoughtful people here than mean ones. There are people here with really good hearts. I wish everyone could be like that.

I applaud you both for your outstanding courage in coming forward and speaking out about Willow's rather horrid ways. I personally think that it would be a good thing for those that have witnessed these deplorable living conditions to call social services on her. So many times we are reluctant to do it and get involved but then something bad happens to those children and we are full of remorse and know that maybe if we had spoken up they would have been safer. I hope someone reports her.

It was a great thing you giving Lily a great home and showing her the love that she deserved for the short time she was here on this earth. While you lost her way too soon find comfort in the fact that you made her days on this earth a better place. Both of your lives have been enriched for having each other and one day when your time comes she will be waiting to reunite with you.

Janelle you have a good heart as a lot of other YTers. It's very sad that Willow took advantage of your generous and selfless sacrifice. The good thing is that the money didn't make or break you. God will bless you ten fold for reaching out and helping someone that was supposedly in need.

I know that we have been beaten over the head recently by some shady folks but I pray that we all don't allow that to change what is in our hearts. I don't think it's a bad thing to maybe stop and contemplate the situation a second time before sharing/donating/giving or lending. What goes around comes around and while Willow might think she has gotten over and taken advantage of some good people...god sure doesn't like ugly. Her living conditions and financial situation are probably already a blast of Karma. I am very sorry that people were hurt by her and her children are suffering as a by product of her bad ways. But I honestly believe that god is good and he rewards those that do good and help others.

You ladies will receive way more fullfillment and rewards because of your big heart and your willingness to help another. I have to say from the bottom of my heart "God bless" you both for the good that you have done. It's sad that the wrong person received that blessing but things have a way of righting themselves in this world. It might not be today or tomorrow but it will happen.

[QUOTE=LoveMyJake I do want to say, though, there are many more nice, thoughtful people here than mean ones. There are people here with really good hearts. I wish everyone could be like that.[/QUOTE]

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We whole heartedly agree.
Patti and Jack