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O.K. I just finished reading most of this complex thread with good points made on both sides, so here is my point of view:

A very very long time ago, before Yorkies were "of a standard", they were a medium to larger sized dog, comprized of many different types of terrier, basically a mutt.....then someplace along the lines the people in higher society thought how cute it would be to have a smaller version as a fashion accessory. So the yorkie in time was bred down, all but doing away with the original sized yorkie and its original features. Now....last I heard God, the higher power...whatever you choose to know them as.....was the maker of animal profiles......so if once in a while he wants to kick out a colorful yorkie...who the hell am I to say thats a mistake! The only mistake or abomination here is that Man has made certain rules to try and govern how nature works........and sets standards that nature evidently isnt aware its supposed to stick to, because albinos happen, blues happen, chocolates happen...and yes Parti color and Biewers happen.....all on thier own even when the parents are two bred to standard creatures...this can only mean one thing.....Man must be wrong with its standards....as I really doubt God or nature is.

Champion names
 

[QUOTE=JeanieK]Trust me the parti colored dogs from the crownridge and Summit yorkies were DNA's many many times before they were accepted by AKC. They are not mixed breeds, the original Parti coloreds came from two champion yorkies. and they were DNA'd to prove that.

I am very interested in the above comments. What are the names of these two champions? Thanks.

Just because a puppy has been DNA tested, does not prove that there is not a breed other than yorkshire terrier someplace in the background. All it proves is who the sire and dam are. You could test sire and dam on parents, grandparents, etc. but could not go back far enough to prove there was not another breed bred to a yorkie.

If you know who these first two champion dogs are, why don't you tell us and save us the trouble of trying to find it on the AKC website.

[QUOTE=JeanieK]Sorry tried to add to my last post but was over the time limit.

I have no idea who Gloria Lipman is, but I do know that extensive testing was done before the Akc registered these dogs and they are pure yorkies


I can't believe as much as you claim to know that you do not know who Gloria Lipman is. She IS Nikko Kennels!!!!!!!!!

My thoughts exactly!!!! I don't know that many of these people know the story of how the parti's started in CA!! I googled the two kennels that are always mentioned and came up with nothing. Again, I would also be interested in the early pedigrees of the parti's and I will bet that they originated with the Nikko kennel. As a side note, the bitch that produced the first parti at the Nikko kennel was not Nikko breeding and not from show stock. The sire was a Nikko dog.

They are beautiful!

They are absolutely beautiful! BUT personally I would not spend a dime more than I would for a regular colored yorkie.

[QUOTE=darbygale][QUOTE=JeanieK]Sorry tried to add to my last post but was over the time limit.

I have no idea who Gloria Lipman is, but I do know that extensive testing was done before the Akc registered these dogs and they are pure yorkies


I can't believe as much as you claim to know that you do not know who Gloria Lipman is. She IS Nikko Kennels!!!!!!!!![/QUOT



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I am not going to pay for the pedigree search for you. You can do that. I am confident that my dog is not a mix nad that isd really all that matters to me.

The first registered Parti is named Mickey Spillane. He is not deceased.

He is my Chachi's great grandfather. I would not buy any parti that was not a direct decendent of this line.

If you know where they started then why are you insisting that they are a mix with a maltese? The AKC did their job they DNA'd these dogs before they registered them as yorkies. After all they do have a reputation to uphold.

Some people will always be suspicious, it's their nature. But I am satisfied that my dogs came from a reputable breeder that did not mix in a maltese. She doesn't even own anything but yorkies.

Apparently your googler is broken. I googled Crownridge gems and it popped right up, Likewise with Summit yorkies.

www.crownridgegems.com www partiyorkies.com

[QUOTE=JeanieK]I can't believe that as much as you calim to know you have never heard of Crownridge gems or Summit yorkies.

LOL "He" does seem to have a sense of humor doesn't "He"

Some people like them, some people don't. I find it exciting to be in on the beginning of it all. There is no doubt in my mind that one day they will find their way to the show ring, whether it is through the YTCA, or through their own breed club.

Either way it doesn't matter to me.

[QUOTE=JeanieK]Oh for heavens sake, I can't believe, for as much as you claim to know, you don't know where the parti's, other than Biewers, started in the U.S.

Are the pedigrees of their foundation dogs listed on this web site? At a quick glance I didn't see them?

I watched the dog show last night. the terrier group particularly. There are two separate breeds that the only difference is ofn has it's ears up and the other down. The Norfolk terrier and the Norwich Terrier.

I would imagine that which ever breed came first, was horrified that anyone would breed for the other trait.

Progress people~!!!! Progress. It happens and you can't stop it.

I'm not sure. I got the pedigree from the breeder.

Exactly. And if the owners of Biewers want their own breed, Biewer Terriers to be shown in the Toy Group, NOT BIEWER YORKSHIRE TERRIERS, then they need to go through the AKC process to achieve that goal.

Where will the Parti's fit in????

So go back to the last generation you have on the pedigree and let us know what dogs are in it. Who in the pedigree are dog from breeders who breed champion AKC Yorkshire Terriers???

I realize that there are is a lot of information on the net, that discredits the parti color as being pure yorkies. They insist that there is maltese mixed in.

Well as you all know, you cannot PROVE a negative, so it is up to those people to PROVE the positive.

So to them I say, show me the proof. If you cannot do that then it probably doesn't exist.


I can create a website stating that yorkies are mixed with Pitbulls. If I cannot prove what I say, the information is worthless.

So when reading this stuff, ask yourself, where the proof is. If there was proof it would be documented. If there is not proof then perhaps these people shouldn't be making accusations. It's all hearsay.

They are all Nikko dogs, and the champion was Rolls Royce Ashley

And who was Ashley bred to to produce the first parti? By the way, as another contributer pointed out to you, this is Gloria Lipman's kennel.

Yes I know that now. I did not know her name or connect it to the kennel.

If you want the pedigree you can research it from the AKC website. I gave you the name.

I wonder what your motives are for trying to discredit these dogs heritage. why is it important to you?

I don't see anyone trying to discredit anyone here. Just asking a question. I have been studying Yorkshire Terrier pedigrees for fifteen years and I'm not a breeder so I would think a breeder could answer that question.

What breeder should answer which question?

She has been attempting to discredit the parti colored yorkies, saying they are mixed with who knows what.

Actually she jumped in the ring after someone else threw in the towel. Are you the next contender? If so bring it on with all the information you can dig up. Just remember to keep it clean and fair. No personal attacks. This is an intellectual dispute, not a backstreet brawl.

[QUOTE=JeanieK]Where did I say I had never heard of them? I do know that the sire of the first parti that came from Nikko Kennels was CH Nikko Rolls Royce Ashley. I also know that the dam of that puppy came from a women in OK that had yorkies AND maltese. It was not a dog bred by Nikko Kennels.

They can DNA all day long and all that it will prove is that the puppy is out of a particular sire and dam. It cannot tell if there is any Maltese, Papillion or anything else mixed in. Why do these dogs not breed true? Why do you get parti and proper colored yorkies in the same litter?

[QUOTE=JeanieK]I am not going to pay for the pedigree search for you. You can do that. I am confident that my dog is not a mix nad that isd really all that matters to me.

The first registered Parti is named Mickey Spillane. He is not deceased.


What is Mickey Spillane's complete name? What is his AKC number?

[QUOTE=darbygale]I assume you have the name of this dam and her breeder on a pedigree. So would you care to share your information? Or is your information just hearsay.

You can get both traditional and parti in the same litter if one of the parents is a parti colored and one is a carrier. The carrier will have a parti gene and a traditional gene. That parent can give either gene to the offspring. If it gives a parti gene and the parti parent having only parti gense can only give parti genes, the result will be a parti colored puppy.. if it receives a traditional gene from the carrier parent, it wll be a traditional colored carrier. Because the parti gene is recessive, it must have two of them to be parti colored.

Two parti colored dogs will definitely breed true. Recessive genes will always breed true.

Next Question?

[QUOTE=JeanieK]Gloria Lipman bred two parti's together and got both standard color and parti. Last litter I saw was 3 standard and 1 parti, so they DO NOT breed true.

No, I had no interest in the dam that threw the first parti for the Lipman's since she was not out of their breeding. Ashley was bred to my dog's granddam before he was sold to the woman in OK. I had bred to an Ashley son more than once and bought an Ashley daughter and a couple of other Nikko dogs. How strange that in the 10 years I showed and bred Nikko dogs, I NEVER had a parti colored dog. And even stranger, Gloria Lipman never had one until she bred to the bitch that came back from the woman in OK that was not all Nikko breeding. HMMMMMMMMM! Wonder why.

So why not share the name of the dam that produced the first parti. I believe the woman in OK had a kennel prefix of Woodcres and her first name was Shirley.

[QUOTE=darbygale]So if it takes two recessive genes to produce a parti color, therefore the only genes the parents have to pass on are the parti genes. Then how did they get traditional colored pups.

My guess is one was a carrier and not a colored. Or there was a second stud.

Recessive genes always breed true because it takes two of them to over ride the dominant gene, therefore they have no other genes to pass on.