i swear this is the last time i ask..

[Hickey007]

Originally Posted by dray

To keep a male dog for breeding they need to be close to flawless, bitches can have a few more faults but our males need to be very good.

Why is this? I'm not saying its not true I know nothing about breeding and wouldn't even think of contradicting someone on the subject but was just curious when I read this. I understand why you want them to be close to perfect in general, and about breeding as close to standard as possible. But why is it that the male needs to be close to perfect but its ok for the female to have a few more faults? Just curious...

[dray]

You are right to ask, and in a perfect world we want to have perfect females too. But we will give a little for a female as she may have so much to offer even if she is not perfect. She may produce one or two in her litter that are very nice examples of the breed if breed to a very nice male. But if you breed this bitch to a terrible male you will not improve anything. The boys are used more than a bitch will ever be breed( I hope) so they need to be good or even great . I hope I have explained this for you. Good breeders don't keep mediocre males and none keep pets in their breeding stock.

Debbie Ray
www.sumtoiyorkies.com




These are my boys and I am very proud of them. They are both AKC Champions and Tailor is an Int. and Canadian Champion also

[tammy8833]

all the information has been great, i DOUBT i will ever get the chance to breed him. but my thought is that i have a young child who would not do well around a 3-4lbs dog, but i love yorkies..so i think that to have a larger yorkie is benefical to people that have famlies, no they are not standard by paper, but if the only thing wrong with them is size then that might be want some people want. i dont think that people should be limited to there dreams, mine being: to have yorkies. but i think if you are serious and you are showing and breeding for show, well thats what you should look for. but home and pet quality show also be bred in my opinion becuase like i said i would never have a tiny yorkie that my kid could accidently hurt, and i wouldnt want to lock either of them up so i could spend time with one or the other. i do have little girl who is 5.5lbs but i think she is too frail for my son to play with.

i know that i didnt get Remmie from a good breeder now, i also know that she was probably a broker. and i know he isnt perfect but i really want to see what he will look like full grown, the vet also set he had a lot of "puppy fat" (i dont know if i should put any stock in to that comment......lol) but i hope he is right. i was also told that remmie was done growing height wise because he is still smaller than my 5.5 pounder. and has been the same height for a long time now.

the lady was i thinking of breeding with is not the same person i got remmie from. she breeds standard and she breeds for people who want yorkies but have children, which again i think is good thing.

and a serious question, i am generaly curious as to WHY the male must be smaller? i understand that it probably keeps the puppies smaller, but i cant see how it would affect the female and the puppies being born, BECAUSE i do vol. rescue work and we have had smaller females that are pregnant by larger males and the 2 decades that i have been around this group, and i called and confirmed before posting have never had problem with the females giving birth to larger bred puppies. they have never needed c-section, now along with that i have heard of SOME females needing c-section for reg size puppies. so i just think thats the real factor. i think it is mainly to keep the size down, is that correct?

please i am not being condacening (spelling?) and i am generally curious and just what honest anwsers i am not trying to fluff feathers at all, because i really truly enjoy YT and i am on YT everyday and every night, and i appreciate everyones concerns and comments when posting.

please, please i am not trying to offend anyone or have anyone offend me!!!

Thank you everyone for your time on this issue.

[dray]

If a person wants to breed bigger dogs why not breed Silkies or Shih Tzu they do very well with children, why mess up this great breed any more. Why make dogs that don't look like Yorkies?? You say you are unhappy with the way your dog turned out, why would you do this to someone else. Just a question, I just don't understand.

Debbie Ray
www.sumtoiyorkies.com

[sylvan]

just to add another reason to the list....if you got him from someone who is not reputable and possibly a broker, then there is no way of knowing what he could be carrying recessively in his genetic makeup. Even if he is perfectly healthy, he can still throw pups with liver shunt, legg-calve perthes, luxating patella, collapsing trachea...etc..and you would have no way to know this until the problem arose. These things are heartbreaking and I would not want that on my conscience.

[tammy8833]

you brought up a very good point about why dont those individuals get a silkie etc... well when its a matter of what that person whats i guess...i dont know, i know that I personally wanted a yorkie. i didnt expect remmie to be larger, yes i shouldnt breed him and i know that i never will get the chance because he isnt "perfect"..and you are right i dont know the past history, i have a pedigree and the orginal breeders name, address, and number, i talked to her a time or two. but oh well i guess since my dog isnt good enough i will never be able to do anything other then love him and there is nothing wrong with that and i dont regret getting him because i love him all the same but i bought so that one day i could do something

anyways

i have another question for people who show..why is it that the dog cant be a pet and a show dog. i mean what do you do with the dog when you arent in a ring?

[js590]

He looks like a regular yorkie to me. I am not a breeder. I don't know the names they are being called now but, true yorkshire terriers were not very small dogs. They have gotten smaller and smaller through today's current breeding and through public demand. The average weight for my yorkie has been about 6 to 6 1/2 lbs. She is 12 years old and was considered small in size when I recieved her. In today's world she is not so small. There appears to be lots of 2 to 4 pounders now. The next time I get a dog she/he will be much larger. Maybe a large yorkie or a mid-sized mutt. I want a healthy dog for my next pet.

[My2Furbabies]

Awww...I think he is adorable! Don't let anyone tell you he is not a yorkie. He looks all yorkie to me!

[topknot]

Tammy to answer your question "why is it that the dog cant be a pet and a show dog. i mean what do you do with the dog when you arent in a ring?"
To have a nice show dog in coat - you need to care for the coat to compete. You cannot have a show dog in th ring with broken coat to win - usually rule of thimb. Now I treat mine as pets - if you mean to love them and have them in my home. Do they go outside? No! Because have you ever looked at a blade of grass? Razor edges and it cuts the coat. Not to mention the bugs - fleas, ticks, etc.. Also once they get yard depree in their coats it also causes mats. I don't wrape their coats yet, but will in a few months as soon as it touches the floor. Also fabrics can wear on their coats too. That is why satin is great ~ good for bed and crate pilows. You just have to take good care of their coats if showing.

As far as breeding stock and quality - I give up informing/educating people and trying to help. What I have learned is that people will do what they want - even if they have a lower breeding quality pet yorkies and you recommend against it when they ask your opinion and explain why (with very good reasons) - then they answer back, after hearing all you have told them, "that they still want to breed to have puppies." Those people just don't care what they are doing to the standard. They are going to do what they want to in the first place. So I give up.

[JiggityJig]

[QUOTE=dray]You say you are unhappy with the way your dog turned out, why would you do this to someone else. Just a question, I just don't understand.
[QUOTE]

I'd say, if you even have to ASK if your dog is a "mix", and say that you love him but are disappointed in some of his "non-standard" features---why would you consider breeding him? Because then you would just be doing the same thing to the next person (people!) down the line.

There is no lack of "large" yorkies in the world. Check out Petfinder. ADORABLE 8-9-10 pounders on a regular basis...no doubt given up because their size wasn't what their owners thought they would be getting.

But let's forget size for a minute, and think about the OTHER features that people "expect" when they fall in love with yorkies, and decide to buy one. I think your husband makes good points.

Just for instance, one of the number one characteristics that people associate with yorkies is a long, silky coat. WE know that not every yorkie has the perfect coat, but let's face it....it's what we're all HOPING for when we get a puppy. So just on the basis of his wiry coat alone, I would definitely not breed him, no, not even as a "pet quality" yorkie.

I'm not sure I understand why breeding him is so important to you. All that said, while he's not breeding material, he is a REALLY cute and adorable dog! Just love, love, love him, and instead of worrying about whether he's "right" or not, just decide he's PERFECT, in every way, as your pet. And just enjoy him!

[kellyandjohn]

i have a question about this breeding things. if the breed standard is 4-7 pounds then why are alot of the breeders on here with 3.5 pound studs and some smaller? isn't that still affecting the yorkie standard. if they throw puppies that are 2.5-3 pounds.
thanks

[dray]

The breed Standard says not to exceed 7 pounds. But I think the good breeders try to breed dogs around 5 puonds

Debbie Ray
www.sumtoiyorkies.com

[kellyandjohn]

but my question is about the ones smaller than 4 pounds. it says breed standard 4-7pounds.

[dray]

Where are you getting that "IT" says the standard is 4 to 7 pounds
Debbie Ray

[chachi]

I thought the standard is 7 lbs and under. Anyway some breeders breed the yorkies to be smaller so they get more money for them.