My little Angel

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I am at a total loss as to how to address your comparison of being a fertile woman or how that has anything to do with adopting a rescue But I shall try to address is what you feel as someone dictating your pet ownership.

The reason there are so many animals that are in need of rescue is from irresponsible breeding and pet ownership. There are millions of animals killed every year because people like yourself feel it's their "right" to breed. Breeding should be looked upon as a privilege and should only be done to accomplish bettering of the breed. It's disgusting to me to hear of puppies being sold in the local Walmart parking lot, all over Facebook, the internet, Kijji and a plethora of other questionable avenues to peddle puppies for a profit. Sure they had the right to breed but what does it accomplish?

I suggest you take a look in the Sick and Injured forum to see all of the poorly bred dogs that suffer from this need to breed? How about the local shelter and all of the millions of dogs that are PTS every year from this same "need to breed".

When a shelter or rescue stipulate that all animals within your home need to be spayed/neutered to be considered for adoption it is their right as well. They have the right to place any requirements upon you as a possible home for a dog in their care. This requirement is no different than a responsible breeder having a spay/neuter contract.

These same people see unfathomable heartache from all of these poor unwanted animals. They see dogs in horrible condition dumped, abused, neglected that they try to save. These same rescue have financial supporters that hold a standard of philosophical pet ownership and that does not include owning unaltered animals. Straight across the board~it's a basic requirement.

As for fostering with unaltered dog within your home let's address this as well. Many times the dogs that come into foster care are not altered as well. Their previous owners many times have used them to breed. Now you have a rescue in a foster situation with other unaltered animals. It's just a disaster waiting to happen. Being a foster home is not about the foster home it's about the well being of the little foster pup. Just the same way as being the owner of a rescue is about the well being of the rescue.

I wish you luck with wanting to rescue and foster but to be honest any rescue that would allow this to happen under your given situation should be under scrutiny.

couldn't agree more!

[LovinMia]

What is it with all of you..... If the parents of the dogs you now own were fixed you would not have them would you?

I keep saying my pet puppies will go to MY family not sold so they will grow up together. So please relax! Goodness I never met more people who jump on a person for wanting to care for and foster these little treasures. This is one day here and gotten so much hate mail really you need to get a grip.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by LovinMia

What is it with all of you..... If the parents of the dogs you now own were fixed you would not have them would you?

I keep saying my pet puppies will go to MY family not sold so they will grow up together. So please relax! Goodness I never met more people who jump on a person for wanting to care for and foster these little treasures. This is one day here and gotten so much hate mail really you need to get a grip.

If you want to make something to give away to your family why don't you try baking cookies.

[MaddiesMommie]

Originally Posted by LovinMia

What is it with all of you..... If the parents of the dogs you now own were fixed you would not have them would you?

I keep saying my pet puppies will go to MY family not sold so they will grow up together. So please relax! Goodness I never met more people who jump on a person for wanting to care for and foster these little treasures. This is one day here and gotten so much hate mail really you need to get a grip.

I know you are experienced in breeding another breed so I was wondering what tests you girl has had to ensure she is healthy enough to breed. What about your stud? Will you have him tested to ensure he is healthy enough to breed?

Are you going to require your family to spay/neuter these puppies once they are placed? If not, what happens when one of your family members decides they want to breed?

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie

I know you are experienced in breeding another breed so I was wondering what tests you girl has had to ensure she is healthy enough to breed. What about your stud? Will you have him tested to ensure he is healthy enough to breed?

Are you going to require your family to spay/neuter these puppies once they are placed? If not, what happens when one of your family members decides they want to breed?

yea that ^^^

and we're not mean and haters. most of us wish that the parents of our dogs WERE spayed and neutered...then we wouldn't have had to have all the heartache and frustrations from rescuing dogs from mean breeders who bred their parents to death and the dumped them when they weren't breedable anymore

and it's not just puppy mills it's ALL of these people that think they know what they are doing and breed just for fun and risk their dog's lives on a litter. i can't stand em' they make me sick. breeding is something to be left to those that have studied and researched and been through a mentor and learned how to perfect the breed they are working with NOT for fun or just because or for family members to have pups. that's an irresponsible breeding and that's why rescues won't accept applications from people that don't spay/neuter. what's stopping you from breeding more than just once? and then their dog is in a home with someone who is adding to pet overpopulation. doesn't look good on a rescue to do that does it?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie

I know you are experienced in breeding another breed so I was wondering what tests you girl has had to ensure she is healthy enough to breed. What about your stud? Will you have him tested to ensure he is healthy enough to breed?

Are you going to require your family to spay/neuter these puppies once they are placed? If not, what happens when one of your family members decides they want to breed?

<-------- I'd like to refer to my avatar.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

<-------- I'd like to refer to my avatar.

i love your avatar! don't be a Dick!!

[BabyGirl Rosie]

First, let me start by saying that I spent some time looking for a rescue before I got my second dog. I communicated with a few different ones by email. None of them would even consider adopting out a rescue that has not been spayed. Everyone of them said she would be spayed prior to adoption. It was always part of the agreement. Of course, both of my girls are spayed so that was never an issue with me. Spend some time on the rescue sites. Read the stories where so many of these babies came from. If you can do it without crying then that would be amazing. However, I can't. I would read through them as tears ran down my face. If you read them you will understand why you must have the pet fixed. Also go to some of the post where Ladyjane has taken in pups. Again, good luck getting through them without crying. The rescues have had difficult situations to overcome. Many of them need medical care. That is why they cost what they do. And honestly, some of the cost is not even in the same ball park as what was paid out.

Second, I really see no connection to a dog having a litter of pups as compared to a woman giving birth. I am not even sure why there is a need to make such a comparison. I will leave it at that.

As far as you stating that you found when a dog had at least one litter they lived longer. That is just the opposite of what so many vets say. Maybe you should spend some time researching this and discussing it with your vet. My vet also mentioned to me many health issues from having a female that is not spayed.

Finally, as far as having the one litter of pups. She is your pup and that is your right. Many of us on here have seen pups that have been abused, dumped off, rehomed, etc. That is the number one reason we voice our concerns. Yes, you may be a responsible pet owner but not everyone else is. I hate to say it but even family members can do the wrong thing. I believe you could even find posts about that on here. I think what so many of the members are trying to do is educate you to the fact that in the long run things can end up happening that you don't expect. Keep those things in mind before you make your decision.

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

<-------- I'd like to refer to my avatar.

I too love your avatar. I shared it with some of my co-workers the other day!

[chachi]

The Op has her mind made up and we are not going to change it. She doesnt care whats best for dogs whats best for the breed or even whats best for her own dog. She just wants to use her dog to get some free puppies to give to her family. There is nothing we say that is going to change that. No need to keep beating a dead horse

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

You will be an automatic NO to all reputable rescue groups...period!

Spay & neuter your pets please...rescues have all the dogs we need and more because of your concept!

Those family members that you are so sure will love and care for your dog's offspring are just the people who end up surrendering their beloved pets.

I think I'll ring a bell for some tylenol now!

ps...Fostering, too...??? Oi vey!!!

Wow a little judgmental! I understand you deal with rescues and see a lot of abandonment but I do not feel that entitles anyone to sit in judgment of others and to automatically assume that their relatives are not fit to be dog owners.

[roseslevi]

Ok so I am going to jump in here as well. Comparing dogs having puppies to women baring children is crazy. No comparison. Just for the record there a millions of children in foster care because people don't take care of them correctly either..just like there are hundreds of dogs in shelters. This is a much truer comparison I'm afraid.
Your little girl looks pretty small from the pictures in your album. Are you willing to risk her life to have some puppies running around? Yorkies don't have puppies easily...alot of times there are complications. We have all read the tragic stories at least a dozen times. Why don't you talk your family members into each adopting a yorkie from a shelter. Believe me there are many waiting for homes.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chachi

The Op has her mind made up and we are not going to change it. She doesnt care whats best for dogs whats best for the breed or even whats best for her own dog. She just wants to use her dog to get some free puppies to give to her family. There is nothing we say that is going to change that. No need to keep beating a dead horse

Yep. I have seen lots of people like her. I hope she is prepared for a possible c-section and other costs that may be involved with the free puppies for her family members. Or...her family members prepared for extensive medical expenses if the puppies have genetic issues.

Everyone has said it all and I won't bother banging my head against the wall here.

[ladyjane]

Oh, but I do have a wonderful idea for the OP! Why not simply spay your pup and adopt a rescue.....and suggest that your family members adopt as well? Look at all of the lives you would be saving while saving your pup the possible trauma of a bad delivery!! That would be a win win for everyone!

[BabyGirl Rosie]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, but I do have a wonderful idea for the OP! Why not simply spay your pup and adopt a rescue.....and suggest that your family members adopt as well? Look at all of the lives you would be saving while saving your pup the possible trauma of a bad delivery!! That would be a win win for everyone!

Agree!