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Shanatink · 06-24-2005, 11:18 PM

I agree. Buy whereever you feel comfortable as long as the pets are from a puppy mill or mistreated. There are always exceptions. Some pet stores proboly take real good care of thier animals. I just made a mistake the day I bought mine b/c of overpricing. I dont think I have ever seen a reasonable priced dog at a petstore. Even mix breeds cost several hundred dollars- I want to tell people "Come on , you can rescue one for cheaper" which is a nice thing to do for the dogs that need rescuing. I have since visited the place that I had bought my min pin and all the dogs there are always snotty nosed & sick and really big for their breeds. Just funny when the cheapest dogs there are $900. Youd think they might fit the actual breed description as far as size goes.

ingallsra · 06-24-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shanatink

I agree. Buy whereever you feel comfortable as long as the pets are from a puppy mill or mistreated. There are always exceptions. Some pet stores proboly take real good care of thier animals. I just made a mistake the day I bought mine b/c of overpricing. I dont think I have ever seen a reasonable priced dog at a petstore. Even mix breeds cost several hundred dollars- I want to tell people "Come on , you can rescue one for cheaper" which is a nice thing to do for the dogs that need rescuing. I have since visited the place that I had bought my min pin and all the dogs there are always snotty nosed & sick and really big for their breeds. Just funny when the cheapest dogs there are $900. Youd think they might fit the actual breed description as far as size goes.

I agree with you! There is a guy in my obedience class right now with a young dog. It was sold to him (from a pet store I think) as a Yorkiepoo, but he was having his doubts about the dog's breeding. Little Norman is definitely not a Yorkiepoo. I took a picture of a Brussels Griffon to class one day to show him 'cause it looked just like Norman. The owner said that his vet had said the same thing. Norman is a great dog and adorable, but some pet stores will stoop to any level, including misrepresenting a puppy just to make a profit.
As far as seeing sick puppies in stores, I agree with that too. Many stores have no regard for the health of their animals...

Shanatink · 06-24-2005, 11:56 PM

My parents paid a couple hundred for what was supposed to be a small mutt. It really was a cute puppy. But now it is a 50lb dog

Is that what YOU would consider SMALL???!!!! nOT ME!

red98vett · 06-25-2005, 02:55 AM

I saw this comment - If we shut down the puppy mills, the bad pet stores will go out of business.

The LAW is not going to differentiate the difference between good and bad - In the eyes of the law - A Pet Store is a Pet Store - they don't have 'good' and 'bad' ratings.

The Mills will STAY IN BUSINESS as long as they have Pet Stores to sell to.

As with many other people - I feel this strongly. I keep seeing the same posts defending Pet Stores practices and there is no middle ground - It's stop selling live animals and help shut down Puppy Mills - or keep selling them and keep Mills in Business. Why anyone would want to dispute a known fact really confuses me.

Pet Stores are the BIGGEST buyer of Mill Puppies. We know this and we can't stop this practice of mass breeding unless you take away customers - Pet Stores ARE the Customers. In turn WE are the customers.

It's not like we can say "this is a good pet store" - "this is a bad one"....They ALL need to stop selling live animals... or Mills will continue to be in business.

For those who got their puppies from Pet Stores - I totally understand falling in love - Same with the person who started this thread - I think it's great that she knows a nice Pet Store - but that doesn't change the fact there are VERY FEW of them like that - and chances are their puppies DID come from a mill as Whispersmom pointed out. That's pretty far to go to get a puppy to sell - but I'm always glad for happy results with a pet store just as I get REALLY passionate about NOT buying from them.

I just don't go inside the stores that sell live puppies - too depressing which is their GOAL - they WANT you feel so bad for that baby that you shell out the big bucks.

They UNDER feed puppies to keep them smaller - Which is starving them actually. They sit in cages and they do not get medical attention. Has anyone looked into the eyes of a Pet Store Puppy ? They PLEAD with you ....and it's exactly what the Pet Store owner wants.

Most of the time - the price is jacked up so high - you could get exactly the same puppy from a breeder and not be supporting puppy mills. The more people who know the plight of Mill Puppies that get sold to Pet Stores the better chance one day Mills will be put out of business.

red98vett · 06-25-2005, 03:09 AM

SORRY that post was so long !! I didn't realize it -

For the people out there who DID buy from Pet Stores - LOVE your baby and NONE of this is directed to anyone here - Only stating facts and not meant to make anyone feel guilty -

If I had purchased my girls from a Pet Store - I would be happy they were healthy and love them just like you do - but learn from that experience and next time - try a nice breeder so I didn't support mills.....

3 Years ago - I didn't even know about Puppy Mills either - it's totally understandable that someone fell in love at the Pet Store and congratulations to all who have healthy babies !

YorkieRose · 06-25-2005, 04:49 AM

I do not believe for a second a place of business like a pet shop can pick and choose who to sell what puppy to, etc.
They can make suggestions as to what breed is suited for a family, a lifestyle etc...but if the buyer insists, they must sell to them. It is no different then buying a new pair of shoes or a DVD.

I know a pet shop owner in Illinois..she breeds Yorkies. She has told me she does not sell her pups through the store because she has no control over the purchaser..she CAN NOT make them sign a contract to spay/neuter, she can not give limited regs, she can not refuse to sell a tiny to a family with 2 yr old triplets, she can not refuse to sell to someone who plans to build a nice dog house outside for the Yorkie.

Do you know the dog broker, Huntt Corp is at the moment only paying TEN DOLLARS for Lab pups from breeders...$10..that is from the mouth of commerical breeders who sells Labs to pet shops. AND the price of Yorkies Huntt is paying is getting lower each month..in this case Pet shop pups should be darn cheap!

red98vett · 06-25-2005, 05:54 AM

She's a breeder and won't sell in her own shop ? Now that's amazing....and commendable. Wow.

I know Huntt is the biggest mill and makes a ton of money off the backs of abused and ill-treated dogs and other animals - but I just BET the Pet Stores never lower their prices - It's HUGE profit for them...which is why so many sell these poor babies. Which is why they need to be legally banned from selling live animals due to the vicious circle it is

Debr · 06-25-2005, 06:27 AM

here is the thread about my pet shop I deal with:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...&highlight=fur

I think thats the one that was intended for the link on page one. I defended the shop I deal with and felt I had to justify where I got Dixie from. I had a very bad breeder experience and would never again deal with someone I do not know which contributed to my decision to purchase from this shop. I know I got her from the best place possible. I know the parents of the pet store owner , who own Dixies parents, are loving,kind people. I know if I had any questions, any problems they would address it.I bring her in to see them at least 2x a week. Last week she got a free grooming-which is a tradition for them to groom their placed pups-usually for free. They love to see the lil guys growing up and this helps them see them. Only thing I can say, is since I joined I've seen alot of threads on sick puppies from breeders-kennel cough, giardia. Dixie had nothing,no runny nose, no cough, no worms-nothing at all. A 100pct clean bill of health. I love her to pieces and would not change 1 thing.

YorkieRose · 06-25-2005, 06:36 AM

I know her quite well. I do not pass any judgements, just passing on what she tells me. The shop was bought for grooming and pet supplies, but she also takes pups to sell for local and out of area breeders. She will do what she can to insure a good home, but her hands are tied. She can advise a person that a certain breed may not work for them, but if they insist she sells to them. She does not like the fact she can not refuse people who are buying a tiny toy for a 1 yr old, so they can grow up together.

I asked her how it worked out with her Yorkies..she said she does not even bring her pups to the place..a person can express and interest in buying a poodle or Yorkie and she can contact them after hours, but not do business in the shop itself, then she has no say.

Yep..the commerical breeders were crying about the broker prices...one said they sold Cockers for $35 each and were so relieved to have them all gone. Every commerical breeder and miller (the commerical breeder does not want to be referred to as a MILLER) is jumping on the popularity of the Yorkie and it was killing the market price...time would take care of it..the "bandwaggoners" would give up when the market was flooded with Yorkies.

Shoes, DVD's cars or houses, it is a business and it will level off in time...the large commerical breeder can wait it out, the small ones go under.

MrsHollman · 06-25-2005, 07:48 AM

Sadly.. my first post here is on this topic.

I bought the most adorable loveable Yorkie 4 months ago at a local PetStore. We were not planning to buy a pet.. just took the kids out browsing for the day. When I saw him I HAD to hold him and when he licked me... I had to have him. Hubby said we should think about it. I went to the grocery store (crying) and came home and pouted for another hour. I knew I had to have him. In the middle of dinner... hubby grabbed his keys and said lets bring him home!

Chewie is the light of our families life! BUT.. I will never ever buy from a Pet store again. All we can do is draw from our own experiences. My lil Yorkie had Kennel cough for 4 months. Wasnt allowed to leave the house, go outside, take puppy classes... NOTHING! Was so sick.. we had to postpone rabies shots. I bought him for 1,000.00 and spent another 500 getting him well. Plus 300 for private in home puppy lessons. Now I am fighting with the store to get reimbursed for all the costs due to his illness.

I can not and will not speak for others.. nor will I judge others for their personal decisions. I will only say that in my opinion... for ME, I will never make that horrible mistake again. My next Yorkie will be from a reputable breeder.. I dont care how long the waiting list is.

YorkieRose · 06-25-2005, 08:31 AM

Welcome to the forum..and we are so glad to hear Chewy is well and loving life now.
I know people can get wonderful companions in many different places..even abused, throw away dogs can be the best of the best.
None of my comments are directed towards the pets, but the breeder who purely does not care.

MrsHollman · 06-25-2005, 08:34 AM

I totally agree with you. It is sad that small young pups have to be shipped. I wouldnt dream of shipping my Chewie anywhere. He has lacked so much social interaction from being in a pet store. But that's cool, we are more than making up for it now!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 06-25-2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I do not believe for a second a place of business like a pet shop can pick and choose who to sell what puppy to, etc.
They can make suggestions as to what breed is suited for a family, a lifestyle etc...but if the buyer insists, they must sell to them. It is no different then buying a new pair of shoes or a DVD.

I know a pet shop owner in Illinois..she breeds Yorkies. She has told me she does not sell her pups through the store because she has no control over the purchaser..she CAN NOT make them sign a contract to spay/neuter, she can not give limited regs, she can not refuse to sell a tiny to a family with 2 yr old triplets, she can not refuse to sell to someone who plans to build a nice dog house outside for the Yorkie.

Pat~

The laws regarding selling any product are the same regardless of where you sell it. It makes no difference if you sell puppies from a storefront or your home. I do not know who is advising your breeder friend who owns the pet store but the info is not accurate. I would be happy to talk to her about it if you put me in contact with her.

The only possibility where there may be some restriction on her is if there is something in her lease, but I negotiate commercial leases all the time and I have never seen a property owner place those sorts of restrictions on the business owners. By law, business owners have the right to refuse service to anyone as long as they do not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, gender or nationality.

It may also be that she thinks that because her house is not a public place she is somehow "protected" from the sales laws by selling there, but this is not the case. The same laws apply. It is still a business and all the rules of business must be complied with. It is simply running a business from yur home.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 06-25-2005, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debr

here is the thread about my pet shop I deal with:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...&highlight=fur

I think thats the one that was intended for the link on page one. I defended the shop I deal with and felt I had to justify where I got Dixie from. I had a very bad breeder experience and would never again deal with someone I do not know which contributed to my decision to purchase from this shop. I know I got her from the best place possible. I know the parents of the pet store owner , who own Dixies parents, are loving,kind people. I know if I had any questions, any problems they would address it.I bring her in to see them at least 2x a week. Last week she got a free grooming-which is a tradition for them to groom their placed pups-usually for free. They love to see the lil guys growing up and this helps them see them. Only thing I can say, is since I joined I've seen alot of threads on sick puppies from breeders-kennel cough, giardia. Dixie had nothing,no runny nose, no cough, no worms-nothing at all. A 100pct clean bill of health. I love her to pieces and would not change 1 thing.

Thanks for finding the thread. I appreciate your story.

YorkieRose · 06-25-2005, 09:44 AM

Kim..if I an 80 woman goes to "Just Pups" in the mall and ask to buy a Rottie. The store owner says he feels a Rottie is not a good choice for her lifestyle and refuses, do you mean to say she has no recourse under the law? He does not mention age or any reason, just not the dog for her. I think an attonery would have field day with that case. LOL

My friend, like myself and Whispersmom do not discrimate under the law of race, religion, gender, nationality, but we have "red flags" the same as with a person buying from a breeder can have..the state of Florida does not consider me a pet dealer unless I sell more then two litters per year, which I do not..in Maryland we were hobby breeders, not subject to state laws for retail...or so my attonery told me. None of it really matters, what law can force a person such as myself or Rini to sell a puppy to someone we choose not to? I am sure anyone can sue anyone for anything, but never heard of it..can we go to jail? I think Rini and I would enjoy a free vacation..look what it did for Martha Stewart, she came out looking great. LOL
Thank you for your insight, Kim

06-24-2005, 11:18 PM	#31
Shanatink Mommy to 3 Princesses Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 11,030	I agree. Buy whereever you feel comfortable as long as the pets are from a puppy mill or mistreated. There are always exceptions. Some pet stores proboly take real good care of thier animals. I just made a mistake the day I bought mine b/c of overpricing. I dont think I have ever seen a reasonable priced dog at a petstore. Even mix breeds cost several hundred dollars- I want to tell people "Come on , you can rescue one for cheaper" which is a nice thing to do for the dogs that need rescuing. I have since visited the place that I had bought my min pin and all the dogs there are always snotty nosed & sick and really big for their breeds. Just funny when the cheapest dogs there are $900. Youd think they might fit the actual breed description as far as size goes. __________________ Custom Dog Clothing Boutique www.TinkerbellsCloset.com

06-24-2005, 11:56 PM	#33
Shanatink Mommy to 3 Princesses Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 11,030	My parents paid a couple hundred for what was supposed to be a small mutt. It really was a cute puppy. But now it is a 50lb dog Is that what YOU would consider SMALL???!!!! nOT ME! __________________ Custom Dog Clothing Boutique www.TinkerbellsCloset.com

06-25-2005, 02:55 AM	#34
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I saw this comment - If we shut down the puppy mills, the bad pet stores will go out of business. The LAW is not going to differentiate the difference between good and bad - In the eyes of the law - A Pet Store is a Pet Store - they don't have 'good' and 'bad' ratings. The Mills will STAY IN BUSINESS as long as they have Pet Stores to sell to. As with many other people - I feel this strongly. I keep seeing the same posts defending Pet Stores practices and there is no middle ground - It's stop selling live animals and help shut down Puppy Mills - or keep selling them and keep Mills in Business. Why anyone would want to dispute a known fact really confuses me. Pet Stores are the BIGGEST buyer of Mill Puppies. We know this and we can't stop this practice of mass breeding unless you take away customers - Pet Stores ARE the Customers. In turn WE are the customers. It's not like we can say "this is a good pet store" - "this is a bad one"....They ALL need to stop selling live animals... or Mills will continue to be in business. For those who got their puppies from Pet Stores - I totally understand falling in love - Same with the person who started this thread - I think it's great that she knows a nice Pet Store - but that doesn't change the fact there are VERY FEW of them like that - and chances are their puppies DID come from a mill as Whispersmom pointed out. That's pretty far to go to get a puppy to sell - but I'm always glad for happy results with a pet store just as I get REALLY passionate about NOT buying from them. I just don't go inside the stores that sell live puppies - too depressing which is their GOAL - they WANT you feel so bad for that baby that you shell out the big bucks. They UNDER feed puppies to keep them smaller - Which is starving them actually. They sit in cages and they do not get medical attention. Has anyone looked into the eyes of a Pet Store Puppy ? They PLEAD with you ....and it's exactly what the Pet Store owner wants. Most of the time - the price is jacked up so high - you could get exactly the same puppy from a breeder and not be supporting puppy mills. The more people who know the plight of Mill Puppies that get sold to Pet Stores the better chance one day Mills will be put out of business. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 06-25-2005 at 03:00 AM.

06-25-2005, 03:09 AM	#35
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	SORRY that post was so long !! I didn't realize it - For the people out there who DID buy from Pet Stores - LOVE your baby and NONE of this is directed to anyone here - Only stating facts and not meant to make anyone feel guilty - If I had purchased my girls from a Pet Store - I would be happy they were healthy and love them just like you do - but learn from that experience and next time - try a nice breeder so I didn't support mills..... 3 Years ago - I didn't even know about Puppy Mills either - it's totally understandable that someone fell in love at the Pet Store and congratulations to all who have healthy babies ! __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

06-25-2005, 04:49 AM	#36
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeders I do not believe for a second a place of business like a pet shop can pick and choose who to sell what puppy to, etc. They can make suggestions as to what breed is suited for a family, a lifestyle etc...but if the buyer insists, they must sell to them. It is no different then buying a new pair of shoes or a DVD. I know a pet shop owner in Illinois..she breeds Yorkies. She has told me she does not sell her pups through the store because she has no control over the purchaser..she CAN NOT make them sign a contract to spay/neuter, she can not give limited regs, she can not refuse to sell a tiny to a family with 2 yr old triplets, she can not refuse to sell to someone who plans to build a nice dog house outside for the Yorkie. Do you know the dog broker, Huntt Corp is at the moment only paying TEN DOLLARS for Lab pups from breeders...$10..that is from the mouth of commerical breeders who sells Labs to pet shops. AND the price of Yorkies Huntt is paying is getting lower each month..in this case Pet shop pups should be darn cheap!

06-25-2005, 05:54 AM	#37
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	She's a breeder and won't sell in her own shop ? Now that's amazing....and commendable. Wow. I know Huntt is the biggest mill and makes a ton of money off the backs of abused and ill-treated dogs and other animals - but I just BET the Pet Stores never lower their prices - It's HUGE profit for them...which is why so many sell these poor babies. Which is why they need to be legally banned from selling live animals due to the vicious circle it is __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 06-25-2005 at 05:56 AM.

06-25-2005, 06:27 AM	#38
Debr Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 86	here is the thread about my pet shop I deal with: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...&highlight=fur I think thats the one that was intended for the link on page one. I defended the shop I deal with and felt I had to justify where I got Dixie from. I had a very bad breeder experience and would never again deal with someone I do not know which contributed to my decision to purchase from this shop. I know I got her from the best place possible. I know the parents of the pet store owner , who own Dixies parents, are loving,kind people. I know if I had any questions, any problems they would address it.I bring her in to see them at least 2x a week. Last week she got a free grooming-which is a tradition for them to groom their placed pups-usually for free. They love to see the lil guys growing up and this helps them see them. Only thing I can say, is since I joined I've seen alot of threads on sick puppies from breeders-kennel cough, giardia. Dixie had nothing,no runny nose, no cough, no worms-nothing at all. A 100pct clean bill of health. I love her to pieces and would not change 1 thing. __________________ Debbie's Ark Dixie Zoie,Angel,Joker & Zak Feline friends: Chachi & Sammy

06-25-2005, 06:36 AM	#39
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	shops I know her quite well. I do not pass any judgements, just passing on what she tells me. The shop was bought for grooming and pet supplies, but she also takes pups to sell for local and out of area breeders. She will do what she can to insure a good home, but her hands are tied. She can advise a person that a certain breed may not work for them, but if they insist she sells to them. She does not like the fact she can not refuse people who are buying a tiny toy for a 1 yr old, so they can grow up together. I asked her how it worked out with her Yorkies..she said she does not even bring her pups to the place..a person can express and interest in buying a poodle or Yorkie and she can contact them after hours, but not do business in the shop itself, then she has no say. Yep..the commerical breeders were crying about the broker prices...one said they sold Cockers for $35 each and were so relieved to have them all gone. Every commerical breeder and miller (the commerical breeder does not want to be referred to as a MILLER) is jumping on the popularity of the Yorkie and it was killing the market price...time would take care of it..the "bandwaggoners" would give up when the market was flooded with Yorkies. Shoes, DVD's cars or houses, it is a business and it will level off in time...the large commerical breeder can wait it out, the small ones go under.

06-25-2005, 07:48 AM	#40
MrsHollman YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Calif Posts: 2	Sadly.. my first post here is on this topic. I bought the most adorable loveable Yorkie 4 months ago at a local PetStore. We were not planning to buy a pet.. just took the kids out browsing for the day. When I saw him I HAD to hold him and when he licked me... I had to have him. Hubby said we should think about it. I went to the grocery store (crying) and came home and pouted for another hour. I knew I had to have him. In the middle of dinner... hubby grabbed his keys and said lets bring him home! Chewie is the light of our families life! BUT.. I will never ever buy from a Pet store again. All we can do is draw from our own experiences. My lil Yorkie had Kennel cough for 4 months. Wasnt allowed to leave the house, go outside, take puppy classes... NOTHING! Was so sick.. we had to postpone rabies shots. I bought him for 1,000.00 and spent another 500 getting him well. Plus 300 for private in home puppy lessons. Now I am fighting with the store to get reimbursed for all the costs due to his illness. I can not and will not speak for others.. nor will I judge others for their personal decisions. I will only say that in my opinion... for ME, I will never make that horrible mistake again. My next Yorkie will be from a reputable breeder.. I dont care how long the waiting list is.

06-25-2005, 08:31 AM	#41
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	welcome Welcome to the forum..and we are so glad to hear Chewy is well and loving life now. I know people can get wonderful companions in many different places..even abused, throw away dogs can be the best of the best. None of my comments are directed towards the pets, but the breeder who purely does not care.

06-25-2005, 08:34 AM	#42
MrsHollman YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Calif Posts: 2	I totally agree with you. It is sad that small young pups have to be shipped. I wouldnt dream of shipping my Chewie anywhere. He has lacked so much social interaction from being in a pet store. But that's cool, we are more than making up for it now!

06-25-2005, 09:44 AM	#45
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	laws Kim..if I an 80 woman goes to "Just Pups" in the mall and ask to buy a Rottie. The store owner says he feels a Rottie is not a good choice for her lifestyle and refuses, do you mean to say she has no recourse under the law? He does not mention age or any reason, just not the dog for her. I think an attonery would have field day with that case. LOL My friend, like myself and Whispersmom do not discrimate under the law of race, religion, gender, nationality, but we have "red flags" the same as with a person buying from a breeder can have..the state of Florida does not consider me a pet dealer unless I sell more then two litters per year, which I do not..in Maryland we were hobby breeders, not subject to state laws for retail...or so my attonery told me. None of it really matters, what law can force a person such as myself or Rini to sell a puppy to someone we choose not to? I am sure anyone can sue anyone for anything, but never heard of it..can we go to jail? I think Rini and I would enjoy a free vacation..look what it did for Martha Stewart, she came out looking great. LOL Thank you for your insight, Kim