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09-12-2007, 08:26 PM | #1 |
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| Dog Trainer came for in home evaluation. what do you think?? I had an in home eval from a trainer to try and hlp me get started on training Kallie and Stewie. Tell me what you think about the things she told me. 1. Do not let them sleep with me. By doing that I am letting them think they are my equal and not that I am the dominate one. 2. Keep their xpen close to the door that I want them to go out and as soon as I open the door, to rush them outside and take them to where I want them to go without picking them up. 3. Give them LOTS of outdoor time. She suggested fencing off my flower garden and leaving them there most of the day when it is nice.. she must have forgotten that hastas are poisonous and hawks love little animals. 4. hold them on their backs with one hand on their bellies and the other hand petting them until they submit. then let them go. letting them up when they wiggle lets them think they are in control. do this 3-4 times per day. 5. give treats that they love like cheddar cheese. 6. hold them and tell them their name several times per day.. 7. playing in the house is a no no. playing and pottying is for outdoors and eating and sleeping is for indoors. 8. to crate train stewie, i am to leave him in his crate for the night and ignore him when he cries and after 3 days he should stop crying about going in. 9. take their food and water up at 7pm 10 no pee pads in the house if Iwant them to go outside. this only encourages them that there is a place to pee inside so it is ok. 11 spray the area that I do not want them to pee on inside with lysol and they will stay away from it.. My heart is breaking for Stewie who just wants me to hold him and cuddle with him at night. he has slept in my bed for the past 3 nights..let me know what you think of these rules... |
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09-12-2007, 08:39 PM | #2 |
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| These rules I don't like: 1. Do not let them sleep with me. By doing that I am letting them think they are my equal and not that I am the dominate one. (I don't believe this) 2. Keep their xpen close to the door that I want them to go out and as soon as I open the door, to rush them outside and take them to where I want them to go without picking them up. (Why not pick them up??) 3. Give them LOTS of outdoor time. She suggested fencing off my flower garden and leaving them there most of the day when it is nice.. she must have forgotten that hastas are poisonous and hawks love little animals. (Yorkies shouldn't be outside that much - they are INSIDE dogs) 4. hold them on their backs with one hand on their bellies and the other hand petting them until they submit. then let them go. letting them up when they wiggle lets them think they are in control. do this 3-4 times per day. (I think making the submit is crap. All you are doing is scaring the crap out of your dog and making it think you're going to hurt it) 7. playing in the house is a no no. playing and pottying is for outdoors and eating and sleeping is for indoors. (Umm..I don't want my dog getting dirty playing outside and she should primarily be inside. Outdoors is for pottying..indoors is for eating, sleeping and playing) These rules seem fine: 5. give treats that they love like cheddar cheese. (Treats are great encouragement for training) 6. hold them and tell them their name several times per day.. (they'll learn their names) 8. to crate train stewie, i am to leave him in his crate for the night and ignore him when he cries and after 3 days he should stop crying about going in. (you do need to ignore them when they want out of their crate or they'll learn you'll let them out every time they cry. Just make sure you realize the difference between just wanting out and needing to go potty) 9. take their food and water up at 7pm (you need to feed them on a schedule for effective potty training) 10 no pee pads in the house if Iwant them to go outside. this only encourages them that there is a place to pee inside so it is ok. (yeah...I don't like pee pads for this reason) 11 spray the area that I do not want them to pee on inside with lysol and they will stay away from it.. (I don't know about lysol but you do want to get that urine smell out so they won't think it's okay to keep peeing there)
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09-12-2007, 08:49 PM | #3 |
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| I pretty much agree with MyFairLacy. With the slight clarifications of 2. Keep their xpen close to the door that I want them to go out and as soon as I open the door, to rush them outside and take them to where I want them to go without picking them up. I agree with this one although NOT picking them up is something I'd never heard before.... but I suppose it's training them the "route" to the door. 4. hold them on their backs with one hand on their bellies and the other hand petting them until they submit. then let them go. letting them up when they wiggle lets them think they are in control. do this 3-4 times per day. While I have mixed emotions about this, I think as she explains it with "petting them until they submit" (versus being stern about it), I don't really have a problem with it. It doesn't have to be cruel, just firm; and it's really little different than being adament that they hold still during grooming, etc.
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09-13-2007, 04:25 AM | #4 |
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| Wow, i don't know what to say, i totally disagree with the not playing inside thing, that's ludicrous! When they're outside they are subjected to other animals, fleas and other bugs, cars, and various other dangers, i realize there are also inside dangers. Vinnie goes outside and plays and pottys, and plays inside. We leave him pee pads in his pen during the day so that if he needs to he can go...it hasn't taken away from his outside training and i'd rather him pee on the pad then then carpet, he also has one in the bedroom at night and he will get down and use it. My dog is a grazer, so i never take food and water away, but even if he wasn't i would never take water away. I don't think any trainer is 100%, what works for one dog may not work for every dog. We found what works for Vinnie and that's what we stick with. Dogs are animals, and animal instinct is strong. Unless my dog was displaying extremely aggressive behavior i probably would never consider a trainer, but that's just me and we had very little problems with Vinnie.
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09-13-2007, 04:39 AM | #5 |
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| does she know anything about yorkies??? i agree with myfairlacy for the most part. I do the "submit" thing with maggie and it works great. but i an not "mean" about it...and I always love on her afterward so that she knows I still love her. she is a very dominating dog and there have been times that she tried it with me..so i had to do something to let her know. and she IMMEDIATELY changed her attitude. maggie is a great dog...i am blessed. but i don't agree with a lot of the stuff the trainer told you. yorkies are different than labs...period. sounds like he/she is more experienced with large dogs maybe?? I don't know. you don't keep yorkies outside. period.
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09-13-2007, 05:30 AM | #6 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | I guess I am way to soft. I could never not let them sleep with me or not play in the house. I have just came to the conclusion that they rule the house and they will never be 100% trained. LOL
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09-13-2007, 05:46 AM | #7 |
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| I agree with Patti. There is no way that I would kick Ellie out of bed. As for not playing in the house, that is silly. Ellie isn't allowed outside unattended and I don't go out much. I can't spend my time watching her play outside. Besides, there are way too many bugs out there...lol.
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09-13-2007, 06:02 AM | #8 | |
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Agreed with these too! I do the roll over on their back. I gently roll them over, sit or kneel next to them and hold my hand firmly on their chest (not pushing hard) just enough pressure to tell them to be still. I say "relax" while rubbing their bellies... when they calm down I remove my hand... then say "ok" and then they are back to playing or whatever it was they were doing. It breaks their concentration fro what they were doing and teaches them to calm down, IMO. I don't agree with doing it for domination or standing above them while it's done which is why I sit or kneel. | |
09-13-2007, 06:05 AM | #9 |
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| 1. Do not let them sleep with me. By doing that I am letting them think they are my equal and not that I am the dominate one. This is only needed if they have guarding issues. Like, if you ask them to move, or if you pick them up and move them, do they growl? If not, it's probably OK. Also, our trainer recommends against it during initial training not because of dominance but because limiting attention forces them to try to please you to get attention. It's called NILIF (nothing in life is free). This is temporary until they behave. Mine sleep with me, unless Loki starts to get protective of his bully stick and then it gets taken away and he sleeps in his crate. This doesn't happen very often, but it is always an option. 2. Keep their xpen close to the door that I want them to go out and as soon as I open the door, to rush them outside and take them to where I want them to go without picking them up. This is OK. I was actually told to carry them first thing in the morning when they were puppies so they didn't pee on the floor on the way to the door. Otherwise, I have no problem with this one. 3. Give them LOTS of outdoor time. She suggested fencing off my flower garden and leaving them there most of the day when it is nice.. she must have forgotten that hastas are poisonous and hawks love little animals. This is odd. Are you trying to train them to go outside? Mine are 100% outside and they are 100% on leashes. If you are not there to reward them, how do they know they did good?? 4. hold them on their backs with one hand on their bellies and the other hand petting them until they submit. then let them go. letting them up when they wiggle lets them think they are in control. do this 3-4 times per day. I suppose this is better than the "alpha roll" 5. give treats that they love like cheddar cheese. 6. hold them and tell them their name several times per day.. 7. playing in the house is a no no. playing and pottying is for outdoors and eating and sleeping is for indoors. WHAT? Generally I tell people to make sure they potty FIRST, then outside playtime is fine. Unsupervised playtime in the house is fine as long as they are *empty* and supervised. Are you having problems with them running off and peeing? Perhaps tethering them would be good. Playing fetch and other games inside is fine. 8. to crate train stewie, i am to leave him in his crate for the night and ignore him when he cries and after 3 days he should stop crying about going in. Unless he is crying because he has to potty, this is fine. You will learn the difference. It may take longer than 3 days... 9. take their food and water up at 7pm Yep. We give them a drink if they scratch at their bowls, but a small amount and then we take them outside. The big full water bowl isn't available late at night. Obviously you adjust this to whatever time you go to bed. We let them out at 10-11 so no water after 9ish. 10 no pee pads in the house if Iwant them to go outside. this only encourages them that there is a place to pee inside so it is ok. Yep. Mine do not, and have never used pee pads in my house. They go outside 100% Yes even at night, in the rain, in the snow, etc. and we live in Chicago. 11 spray the area that I do not want them to pee on inside with lysol and they will stay away from it.. Don't know about Lysol. I prefer Simple Solution. It sounds like you need a different trainer. Sometimes my trainer wants me to do things I think are a hassle, but she always explains WHY I'm doing it and it makes sense. If I was uncomfortable with her training methods, I would find another trainer. That said, it is a lot of work to train them, both house train and to get them to learn commands. It's NOT easy and you only get out of it what you put in.
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09-13-2007, 06:28 AM | #10 |
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| I agree with all except 3 7 and 10 . everything else i already do and i have no problems with my 2
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