[QUOTE=Lorraine;1348103]Well I do know of some. Not all breeders are keeping it a secret any more. Just because you don't know any of them personally doesn't mean they don't exist. If I were a show breeder, and I found a surprise in my whelping box, and knowing your feelings towards this, I would probably not tell you either. If you want to be privy to secrets, you need to display an open mind.

The gene has to be on both sides in order to produce a parti colored pup.

[QUOTE=Lorraine;1348103]If you're referring to the line that I mentioned, it's no secret. And no, I've never been to their homes but I purchased Kid's Time to Parti who is by Nikkos Russian Roulette (parti) x Nikko's Magic in the Night. Nikkos Russian Roulette is by Nikko's Great Expectations (parti). Kid has at least 4 to 5 generations of all Nikkos breeding. The breeder of Kids Time to Parti is listed as Starla Harris and Gloria Lipman.

Sdame dog, different countries the Biewers originated in Germany, but they were the fproduct of two traditional colored yorkies, just like the partis are.

The Germans were more open minded, and allowed the breeders to start their own breed club so the Biwers and the yorkies are not shown together even though they are all yorkies.

Agree with you 100% Lorraine, I've seen many byb's showing their dogs only
with one thought in their minds, get that Champion in the pedigree so I can sell puppies for more money.....Just attempting to make themselves appear reputable....talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

Thanks for the opinion! I do appreciate it. I think they should become it's own breed also if it were to be acceptable as a noticable (sp?) wanted trait show by breeders...

I think that you have misunderstood Mary. She is saying that it is not a good idea to destroy someones reputation on rumor and innuendo. You would want the same respect shown to your breeding. Anyone can say they heard such in such about you know who, but it doesn't make it true!

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

Yes it would, and hopefully some day it will be. But to get to that point, we have to breed enough of them and get a standard set. that is why I don't believe it is wrong to breed them.
Every breed got it's start somewhere and no doubt had a lot of opposition.

No YTCA has closed that door and it is in the process of being closed in Canada. No one objects to Biewer Terriers which the Biewer breeders are wanting to do.

Personally, I would like to see them accepted in the Yorkshire Terrier breed. I've seen standards change in equine breeds with regard to color and where color was once a very negative thing, it's now accepted and sought after. Through education and a better understanding of genetics, hopefully one day, things will change.

This may be a crazy question, but have you ever seen a parti yorkie born when only one parent was a parti and the other is a... traditional (not sure if that is right). Maybe that has happened then that breeder then claims it was a carrier.

I no nothing on parti's and am asking all possible questions to have a parti can be born.... I'm not trying at attack you or anything! I want to know everyone's opinion that breed partis.

Thank you for clearing that up for me because i was confused about that also! Do you think they will become a biewer later down?

I know nothing of breeding and showing, but while following along with this thread I wondered....Would it really destroy a show breeders reputation if they produced a parti, etc? That seems extreme. Just curious.

The YTCA can change their minds. Never say never. If someone with enough cash behind them got to pushing it, you'd be surprised what could happen.

And it does not have to be done through the YTCA. I believe if they are bred long enough to establish a fairly predictable standard, that they will eventually be accepted as a breed of their own.

Just because they all say NO today does not mean that it can't happen in the future.

I don't think this will happen in our lifetime......I can only base this on the YTCA powers that be along with their membership. They are adamant on this subject.....too many yorkie snob pureist in the membership, with new young members coming up through the ranks.

They witnessed it happen to the Pom's.....and as the masses of YTCA said, they will not sit on there hands and let it happen to the Yorkshire Terrier.

yes, a parti can be born from a parti x parti carrier cross (parti carrier looks like a traditional colored dog) the puppy displayed to the left under my name, is a parti carrier. Parti colored pups can also result from 2 parti carriers bred together (2 dogs that look like traditional colored yorkies)

Yes it would probably ruin them if the secret got out. they could claim to have taken care of the problem by getting the offending dog neutered, but are they also going to hunt down all of their descendents and spay/neuter them also.

I agree with you completely but hope with education and newer young blood coming in, maybe someday ... :-)

You need to reread the post then because a statement was made that she (the breeder in question) had produced other things (not mentioned) and gave the impression that it could be bad then later posted that it was all things that she had heard and did not know personally.:aimeeyork

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

[QUOTE=JeanieK;1348148]Hmm and exactly which show breeders do you have a friendship with and I mean the well known top breeders that have lovely dogs that every byb tries to get their hands on a dog with that kennel name in its pedigree even if it is 4 or 5 genereations back so those pups can be sold for huge bucks?.
Now I am confused, I never said nor inferred that there is big secrets. What i am saying is that I don't know of any show breeders that have produced wrong colours like you are talking about yet you seem to know them all without actually knowing show breeders and I mean the type of show breeder I described and it would not be a big secret. I do know of one in over 20 years of breeding, that got a wrong colour contacted the kennels of the breeders behind the pup, figured out how it happened and it never happened again nor happened in anyone else's box. Pup was given to a friend of a friend to a good home. No it wasn't a parti colour.
You still don't get it. What I am saying is that anything can happen to any breeder it is what they do with it that makes the difference. Show breeders don't breed to fill a pet market. they breed to hopefully produce the best show dog, better than ever. Along the way, they will sell a pet puppy that is not a show dog. Along the way there can be mismarks or colour is wrong. These are not sold as rare for big bucks anymore than any of us would sell a tiny one for big bucks as a teacup Yorkie or a large one as a Standard Yorkie not so rare though.
When you alledged Durrer produced a parti colour which I understand you have accused other show breeders of doing the same you wondered if everyone with Durrer dogs will spay/neuter. that told me way more about what you don't know than what you do. And I will be talking to Betty Anne, it is not a good idea to throw accusations that you better be able to back up on a public forum such as this one.

No! Biewers come from mating two registered Biewers. if you mated a Biewer to a parti you would get the same result, but they could not be registered as Biewers.

As said before, problems occur with every breeder, if they tell you otherwise they are a liar. It is how the deal with the issue.

I know this don't have anything to do what you all are saying but do you believe, if the partis became it's own breed, that if they produce traditionals that they will also become that breed or back to a yorkie... because what if people start to claim that yorkies are carriers (if partis become their own breed)?..

good grief no, but some people who don't know the show world and aren't in it like to think so and say so that want to undermine the intentions, hard work and dedication of the reputable show breeder.
I always find it so amusing that these people that run down show breeders will give their eye teeth to get a hold of those lines and will not hesitate to mention that kennel name is in the pedigree of their puppy for sale that might have the kennel name back there somewhere, that they think should be sold for much higher prices although the show breeder doesnt think so and doesn't sell them for high prices themselves just regular pet prices for a pet if it is being sold for pet only. LOL

I know that. I was saying if a parti was later down able to be register as a biewer

[QUOTE=Lorraine;1348198]
Lorraine,

I've yet to see a Parti in person, I'm just probably not looking in the right places. I asked Lee if she had ever seen one in her 40+ years of breeding, her answer was no. She said she has seen blue, red, chocolate maybe once or twice and has seen other things happen, but has yet to seen a parti.

Oh Mary - I didn't know! Wow - how cool is that! I'm soo excited for you! There's going to be so many of you there... wish I could go just to see you all, and of course all the beautiful dogs!!! :love:

Pm me with details Lady! :D

[QUOTE=Lorraine;1348198]No I am not getting it because I have no idea what you are wanting me to get. I know that my partis came from the Nikko line. the first registered parti colored yorkie, Nikko's Mickey Spillane had a Champion sire from the Nikko line. Are you familiar with that line?

I have no idea where all the other parti colored yorkies came from, and I am sure that there are some that are not pure yorkies, but I do know where mine came from, and just because you don't personally know any show breeders that will admit to having produced an off colored pup does not mean that it has never happened.

As was stated before, those are secrets that are kept between show breeders. If I were your friend and I was aware of your biases, I would not tell you my secrets either.

And I know of no other show breeders that have produced off colored off spring, but I do know that one did come from the Durrer line.

No!! partis cannot be registered as Biewers because they would not have Biewer parents. In order to be registered as a Biewer the dog has to have come from two registered Biewers.

Hey COOL I didnt even notice in the avatar all his beautiful white! I think I may have one of those too! And he is from 2 standard registered yorkies...how about yours? Were the parents carriers or parti?