what do you think of a chocolate yorkie?

[buddybramble]

I don't understand why the parti yorkie or any other colour can't just be seen as a beautiful variation of a wonderful breed.
Surely the 'perfect yorkie' has already been shown, so it might be argued that what is the point, what are you trying to perfect if its already perfect? Rather than people saying they are trying to better the breed why not just be honest and say its a hobby same as someone collecting stamps etc. Some people may love it others may find it of no interest.
How is someone breeding a different variation of a yorkie wrong, if someone wants to breed to the colours accepted when showing a dog then fine, go ahead and do it.
We are human, all things move on otherwise we'd all still be living in caves.
Its made me smile sitting here reading this, then looking at Buddy who's curled up fast asleep, i bet he's not having nightmares about what colour he is or isnt! lol

[diggy4]

JeanieK, I want to commend you for banging your head up against a wall like this for your beliefs and knowledge. Your hard work and tears I am sure you have shed JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE I can only hope my children grow up to be so strong and open minded as you. I have never seen such a concern for whats going on in someone elses "backyard".
My bloodlines run over 50% Indian, everyone has Brown to black hair, and eyes so dark you can hardly see a pupil....My son came out light brown hair, and light green eyes....thank god my family was accepting.

Stay strong girl...I have come to admire you in these last few days!

[buddybramble]

the girls will love his light green eyes, dare i say they are not so common as in 'rare' lol

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by buddybramble

the girls will love his light green eyes, dare i say they are not so common as in 'rare' lol

Not so rare....my whole family is light green eyes with various colors of hair....from blond to black.

[buddybramble]

don't say that lol i have green eyes so has my son. My ex mother in law (she wasn't very pleasant) told me he would NOT have green eyes like mine they would be brown like the rest of her family. When he was a baby i willed those eyes not to turn brown lol

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by buddybramble

the girls will love his light green eyes, dare i say they are not so common as in 'rare' lol

Yes he is rare in a family of over 50 people with black/brown hair and dark eyes...and yes!! the girls love those eyes of his just as I do! they look good with his dark skin too!! He is 12, so the phone is already ringing silly girls!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by diggy4

Yes he is rare in a family of over 50 people with black/brown hair and dark eyes...and yes!! the girls love those eyes of his just as I do! they look good with his dark skin too!! He is 12, so the phone is already ringing silly girls!!

I have a grandson the same age with exactly the same coloring....silly girls is right!!!!!

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I have a grandson the same age with exactly the same coloring....silly girls is right!!!!!

They are bold around my way....they call any time, and every phone (cells) until they get him too!!

[tegamom1]

Okay, I had a family dinner last night and missed this. Today, I'm in the process of making hot sauce for my friends/mentors, just one of my ways to show my appreciation. I took a break and came in to find this is still going and getting rather out of hand. Name calling, rudeness, slanderous statements about long time respected breeders...enough is enough! People saying show breeders don't breed to improve the breed..You've got to be kidding!!!! Accusations towards these respected breeders that have worked long and hard for their lines and yes, I said work IS ridiculous. I know some that work 3 jobs and still take perfect care of their dogs. That is something that always comes first. Since many of you making these comments don't show, you have no idea what it takes, so don't pretend you do. These women and men have spent years studying and researching and it wasn't done to pad their pocketbooks...Anyone can breed, which is unfortunate in some cases, but it takes more that two dogs tying to make you a respected breeder. Parties, Beiwers, if they're the same, then join the Beiwers clubs, at least they have gone about things in the proper way and developed a standard from what I have heard. If parties are different, then take the years it takes to develop your own breed. If there weren't standards to act as guidelines, I can't imagine what our poor little babies would look like.
If you want to continue discussing ladies, please show a little more tact and respect for these long time breeders that DO BREED TO IMPROVE. The perfect dog has not been bred yet so yes this will always be something to strive for. (Although I feel my little CJ is close) lol

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I think what has been missed here is that there is no problem in developing a new breed.* What is being objected to is capitalizing on the word "rare" and selling them for astronomical prices.* No, I'm not talking about you.* But, unscrupulous breeders that aren't involved in the Parti yorkie goal.Now answer me a question, since I really know very little about the Biewer and Parti.....It has been discussed on this forum, though not on this thread, that they have different color patterns.* That the Biewer people really strive to keep this color pattern.

You see that is the entire issue.* The Biewers were allowed to become a breed of ther own and therfore standards were set as to the color pattern and the amount of vlack and white.

That is what we, or I should say "I", since I don't know what the others want to acheive.* But you have to start by first breeding the dogs, you cannot make up a breed club until you have a breed.* And you have to develop some sort of predictabile, obtainable standards before you can state what those standards should be.

that is all that I want to do.* Whether I do it on a small scale for my own line, or on a large scale in developing the breed.* But since I can't just keep breeding and keeping the dogs, I will have to sell, just as the show breeders have to sell or they would have a house full of dogs.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

not to change the subject any more than i already have but jeanie, i had a parti-poodle once. in fact, it was my mini poo Sugar. She started out black with a patch of white on her back. as she got older, she changed to silver. in her last few years before passing at eighteen, she had black, brown, rust, silver and white all mixed in. when her first patch of white appeared as a puppy, I took her back to the breeder and was shown her "parti" dad. But she was still sold to me as a poodle.

A poodle by any other color is still a poodle.

that brings up another issue.

do you suppose that hortaculturists had this same argument over developing different colors of roses. there were probably a few that felt that all roses should be red, and if you want a yellow flower, go pick a dandelion

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn

I never wrote that anyone should buy a Biewer, I responded to someone else that wrote why you don't you get a Biewer instead of a Parti. I stated that the Biewers have a standard to follow and the Parti's don't.

This is what I wrote:
"As show breeders we take on a lot of expense and hard work to maintain the standard held for many years for the Yorkshire Terrier. Yes, we don't like breeders coming in and trying to change what is and was the original picture of the beginning of the Yorkshire Terrier Club and the standard that they set. This Standard doesn’t include the Parti-colored. If they want to start their own club and do their own work towards maintaining their own standard, then more power to them; but do not try to become just another color of a Yorkie and sale them as “rare”. Most show breeders join local clubs or even their National Club and sign agreements to follow a strict code of ethics with the objective to keep and maintain the Standard set for our breeds. We breed for show prospects and sell the others for pets. I personally have not made money from breeding and in fact work 3 jobs in order to be able to show my dogs in the show ring. I have nothing to hide about my dogs and you are welcome to PM me and I will give you my vets number. I have all my shots and everything done at the vets and my vet has seen each and every puppy that has been whelped by my dogs. None of them have been off-colored. It is easy to say things about people, but our point is that it should not be said unless it can be proven and that the person that is being accused should have the opportunity to defend themselves against what is being said. Just remember the old saying, "There but by the Grace of God goes I." "

My foot is not in my mouth, you are attributing things that I did not write to me.

Sonja
www.tx2stepnyorkies.com

You are right I stand corrected.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by buddybramble

I don't understand why the parti yorkie or any other colour can't just be seen as a beautiful variation of a wonderful breed.
Surely the 'perfect yorkie' has already been shown, so it might be argued that what is the point, what are you trying to perfect if its already perfect? Rather than people saying they are trying to better the breed why not just be honest and say its a hobby same as someone collecting stamps etc. Some people may love it others may find it of no interest.
How is someone breeding a different variation of a yorkie wrong, if someone wants to breed to the colours accepted when showing a dog then fine, go ahead and do it.
We are human, all things move on otherwise we'd all still be living in caves.
Its made me smile sitting here reading this, then looking at Buddy who's curled up fast asleep, i bet he's not having nightmares about what colour he is or isnt! lol

Very well said. I have always had issues with the buzz words, that they are "bettering" the breed. how much better can it get. and that we are "ruining' the breed. No one has ever answered my questions on how we are ruining the breed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by diggy4

JeanieK, I want to commend you for banging your head up against a wall like this for your beliefs and knowledge. Your hard work and tears I am sure you have shed JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE I can only hope my children grow up to be so strong and open minded as you. I have never seen such a concern for whats going on in someone elses "backyard".
My bloodlines run over 50% Indian, everyone has Brown to black hair, and eyes so dark you can hardly see a pupil....My son came out light brown hair, and light green eyes....thank god my family was accepting.

Stay strong girl...I have come to admire you in these last few days!

Thank God you weren't forced to cull him from your tribe.

LOL the truth is I love to debate, especially when i know i can back up my facts and the other side cannot, because you cannot prove a negative.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You see that is the entire issue.* The Biewers were allowed to become a breed of ther own and therfore standards were set as to the color pattern and the amount of vlack and white.

That is what we, or I should say "I", since I don't know what the others want to acheive.* But you have to start by first breeding the dogs, you cannot make up a breed club until you have a breed.* And you have to develop some sort of predictabile, obtainable standards before you can state what those standards should be.

that is all that I want to do.* Whether I do it on a small scale for my own line, or on a large scale in developing the breed.* But since I can't just keep breeding and keeping the dogs, I will have to sell, just as the show breeders have to sell or they would have a house full of dogs.

So, what you are doing is not different than what The Standard Yorkie Breeder is doing. Setting your own standard with your own color pattern.

As I've said before I'm not here to alienate, but to educate. Many of you have called on my assistance and help. I've never turned away because I don't agree with what you're breeding. My only concern is with the dog.

Jeanie....you continue to boast in away that comes off as rude, this isn't necessary. Just continue with your goals, don't worry about what anybody else is doing.