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Stitches29 · 06-16-2005, 04:58 AM

The site doesn't sound like one of those backyard mills. When a breeder gives a two year health defect guarantee, that is a positive point. Contact them and ask who their vet is, then contact the vets office to ask more questions.

Luvmypupster · 06-16-2005, 05:00 AM

look at this cutie! On Petfinder.com
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?act...=0&tmpl=&stat=

YorkieRose · 06-16-2005, 05:28 AM

I am purely looking at this from another angle...I take the Lab mix side. He is sitting in the pound waiting to be adopted. For every litter of Lab mixes produced it puts him one day closer to the lethal injection. If he could talk I am sure this thread would stop dead in its tracks.

If you could go to the pound and get purebred Yorkie pups any time you wanted, I would stop breeding Yorkies asap! Ethically, I could not continue.
Even Yorkie rescues never have enough dogs to meet the wants of the public.

sophiedog · 06-16-2005, 05:44 AM

My heart goes out to your mom. I just hope that she finds a new baby soon to fill the emptiness in her life. Keep us posted.
Windy and Lida Rose

Julie1 · 06-16-2005, 05:52 AM

If you find a good rescue if they haven't got a suitable dog in they will look out for a good dog for you, it's worth looking around as there are thousands of dogs waiting for loving forever homes.

suzysmitt · 06-16-2005, 06:09 AM

I think you need to go see for yourself. Check the surroundings, how are the dogs kept, are the dogs well cared for, does the place smell, asks what she feeds and who her vet is. Ask if you can call her vet before you make a purchase, and/or if you can take the dog to you're vet to be checked out before a final purchase is made.

Jo-Jo · 06-16-2005, 06:37 AM

Remember when it was embarrassing if your pure-bred female had pups from any other breed? Those puppies were given away quickly so no one would know. Now it's becoming the 'in thing' to breed designer pups but in my eyes they're still just a loveable mutt and a loveable mutt is a loveable mutt...if you can afford to pay big $$ for one from a 'breeder' please go to your local (or even not so local) shelter and find a loveable mutt for less...I'm sure there are many of the same mixes in shelters everywhere. You'll all feel better for it, the dog will definitely feel better and you'll have more $$ left over to spoil your new baby!

diva pup · 06-16-2005, 06:48 AM

I couldn't agree more about the lovable mutt post. You can do a search on all the humane societies and most of the dog pounds in your general area. Perhaps you can find something suitable for her in a city near you. I cannot imagine paying as much for a mixed breed as you do for most purebreds. JMO but I think it is just another money maker for some people.

Olivier · 06-16-2005, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura

Now THAT is a good reason to mix!

A good reason to make money too . Be very careful .

Luvmypupster · 06-16-2005, 07:19 AM

with the prices she's charging..I'm sure she's laughing all the way to the bank! She's definately in it for the money.

Sydney'sMom · 06-16-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppyperson

My mom recently lost her 17 year old schnauzer to old age and is completely beside herself with grief. She does not like a house without a dog in it. She loves my yorkie mix and maltese--and really loved my yorkie that passed away but she wants a dog between 20-40 lbs so she doesn't step on it.

My brother found this website for her and she fell in love with the "puggles". I immediately thought pet store or mill but I emailed them anyway to see what they were about. When I got a response--they told me it was a home. So many puppies and breeds...I told my mom I wouldn't buy from there. Tell me what you think? www.pups4kids.com
She went and looked at the shelters by her house but the dogs were all rather big for her (she has bad hips).
Thanks for your opinions, Monica

This may be a stupid question...but what is a "puggle"? Pug and poodle?

Meg · 06-16-2005, 09:26 AM

Puggles were the other kind of dog my husband and I were looking at. They are so dang cute!!

They are a mix of a pug and a beagle. They are also called "mini mastiffs". When I was looking at dogs I did a search and found a great breeder in Michigan for puggles. I don't know where you are located but you should look and see if they have any local breeders in your area. Puggles are supposedly great pets, and I am sure your mom would be very happy with this breed.

Please share pics when she gets him/her.

Sunnyd · 06-16-2005, 09:31 AM

There is something that confuses me about some comments regarding mixes or "designer dogs." I may get a good lashing for saying this, but I don't understand why people are so upset about "designer dogs." Isn't mixing dogs with certain characteristics how we got the purebreds we have today? Didn't all purebred dogs get established by mixing breeds?

Sorry, I know this isn't really the place for this but I just thought of it.

Puppyperson · 06-16-2005, 10:07 AM

I need to say something....A lot of the emails are talking about having my mom go look into a shelter and rescue a dog. She has looked into 3 shelters and most were big mixes--she has bad hips and can't have a dog pulling her around. The smaller mixes she found had problems or warnings like "no children" or "one dog family". She was concern because she has 11 small grandchildren and I bring my dogs to her house. She is lonely and not use to being in a dogless home. My brother saw this site--not me. I was just wondering what you thought. She thought the puggle was cute, that's all. I don't think she really has one breed in mind...just something under 40 lbs. I know she wants a puppy. All the puppies in the shelters were lab, shepard, or rott mixes---they will all get too big for her.
I am all for saving rescues (I have a maltese mix from a rescue) but I feel like I am being preach at for her to save a dog. Most of us on this forum have pure breed yorkies---why didn't we get a rescue instead?
Sorry--maybe I am reading the posts wrong but I felt like I had to clear this up.

yorkipower · 06-16-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Puppyperson

My mom recently lost her 17 year old schnauzer to old age and is completely beside herself with grief. She does not like a house without a dog in it. She loves my yorkie mix and maltese--and really loved my yorkie that passed away but she wants a dog between 20-40 lbs so she doesn't step on it.

My brother found this website for her and she fell in love with the "puggles". I immediately thought pet store or mill but I emailed them anyway to see what they were about. When I got a response--they told me it was a home. So many puppies and breeds...I told my mom I wouldn't buy from there. Tell me what you think? www.pups4kids.com
She went and looked at the shelters by her house but the dogs were all rather big for her (she has bad hips).
Thanks for your opinions, Monica

I am a "show" person and have a strong bias torwards breeders who actively DO things with thier dogs (not necessarily just conformation - someone who spends time training in obedeince or agility also has my vote). Here's why: I want to see someone who is breeding to improve the breed: who has a STAKE in the dog she sells. I shy away from anyone who seems out to ONLY sell puppies for money. Breeders who sell a large variety of breeds send warning bells to me. How familiar is she with her lines? How much time can she spend with any given litter? What does she actually KNOW about the dogs she selling?

One other thing that makes me particular disinclined to recommend THIS breeder - the name of her site: "Pupsforkids." While there are members of yorkietalk who have small children and Yorkies, I generally advise people with young kids NOT to get ANY toy breed, esp. something as fragile as a Yorkie. In any event, if a breed is or isn't good with children, I would not make selling them to children as the center of my sales pitch, I'd look to health and breed standards as my primary focus. Breeds were developed for different reasons, taking the aloof "one person" mentality our of a Belgium Shepherd and making it happy go-lucky like a Golden Retriever, defeats the whole point of breeding Shepherds. See what I mean?

06-16-2005, 04:58 AM	#16
Stitches29 My Little Magwad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,739	The site doesn't sound like one of those backyard mills. When a breeder gives a two year health defect guarantee, that is a positive point. Contact them and ask who their vet is, then contact the vets office to ask more questions. __________________ "My Furkids" Maggie, Molly and Meme...

06-16-2005, 05:00 AM	#17
Luvmypupster YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: tx Posts: 624	look at this cutie! On Petfinder.com http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?act...=0&tmpl=&stat= __________________ Emme & Faith R.I.P. Mia & Bentley

06-16-2005, 05:28 AM	#18
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	site I am purely looking at this from another angle...I take the Lab mix side. He is sitting in the pound waiting to be adopted. For every litter of Lab mixes produced it puts him one day closer to the lethal injection. If he could talk I am sure this thread would stop dead in its tracks. If you could go to the pound and get purebred Yorkie pups any time you wanted, I would stop breeding Yorkies asap! Ethically, I could not continue. Even Yorkie rescues never have enough dogs to meet the wants of the public.

06-16-2005, 07:19 AM	#25
Luvmypupster YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: tx Posts: 624	with the prices she's charging..I'm sure she's laughing all the way to the bank! She's definately in it for the money. __________________ Emme & Faith R.I.P. Mia & Bentley

06-16-2005, 09:26 AM	#27
Meg YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 671	Puggles were the other kind of dog my husband and I were looking at. They are so dang cute!! They are a mix of a pug and a beagle. They are also called "mini mastiffs". When I was looking at dogs I did a search and found a great breeder in Michigan for puggles. I don't know where you are located but you should look and see if they have any local breeders in your area. Puggles are supposedly great pets, and I am sure your mom would be very happy with this breed. Please share pics when she gets him/her. __________________ Meg & Keeley I love my little Yorkie boy! www.dogster.com/?169319

06-16-2005, 05:44 AM	#19
sophiedog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 496	My heart goes out to your mom. I just hope that she finds a new baby soon to fill the emptiness in her life. Keep us posted. Windy and Lida Rose

06-16-2005, 05:52 AM	#20
Julie1 YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Surrey Posts: 333	If you find a good rescue if they haven't got a suitable dog in they will look out for a good dog for you, it's worth looking around as there are thousands of dogs waiting for loving forever homes.

06-16-2005, 06:09 AM	#21
suzysmitt Currently Suspended! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,150	I think you need to go see for yourself. Check the surroundings, how are the dogs kept, are the dogs well cared for, does the place smell, asks what she feeds and who her vet is. Ask if you can call her vet before you make a purchase, and/or if you can take the dog to you're vet to be checked out before a final purchase is made.

06-16-2005, 06:37 AM	#22
Jo-Jo YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 397	Remember when it was embarrassing if your pure-bred female had pups from any other breed? Those puppies were given away quickly so no one would know. Now it's becoming the 'in thing' to breed designer pups but in my eyes they're still just a loveable mutt and a loveable mutt is a loveable mutt...if you can afford to pay big $$ for one from a 'breeder' please go to your local (or even not so local) shelter and find a loveable mutt for less...I'm sure there are many of the same mixes in shelters everywhere. You'll all feel better for it, the dog will definitely feel better and you'll have more $$ left over to spoil your new baby!

06-16-2005, 06:48 AM	#23
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	I couldn't agree more about the lovable mutt post. You can do a search on all the humane societies and most of the dog pounds in your general area. Perhaps you can find something suitable for her in a city near you. I cannot imagine paying as much for a mixed breed as you do for most purebreds. JMO but I think it is just another money maker for some people.

06-16-2005, 09:31 AM	#28
Sunnyd Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Linwood, KS Posts: 249	Could get me in trouble There is something that confuses me about some comments regarding mixes or "designer dogs." I may get a good lashing for saying this, but I don't understand why people are so upset about "designer dogs." Isn't mixing dogs with certain characteristics how we got the purebreds we have today? Didn't all purebred dogs get established by mixing breeds? Sorry, I know this isn't really the place for this but I just thought of it.

06-16-2005, 10:07 AM	#29
Puppyperson Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 43	I need to say something I need to say something....A lot of the emails are talking about having my mom go look into a shelter and rescue a dog. She has looked into 3 shelters and most were big mixes--she has bad hips and can't have a dog pulling her around. The smaller mixes she found had problems or warnings like "no children" or "one dog family". She was concern because she has 11 small grandchildren and I bring my dogs to her house. She is lonely and not use to being in a dogless home. My brother saw this site--not me. I was just wondering what you thought. She thought the puggle was cute, that's all. I don't think she really has one breed in mind...just something under 40 lbs. I know she wants a puppy. All the puppies in the shelters were lab, shepard, or rott mixes---they will all get too big for her. I am all for saving rescues (I have a maltese mix from a rescue) but I feel like I am being preach at for her to save a dog. Most of us on this forum have pure breed yorkies---why didn't we get a rescue instead? Sorry--maybe I am reading the posts wrong but I felt like I had to clear this up.