Puppy mill???

[Lyz517]

Seems to me that people just cant mention the name of a "designer" dog around here, especially if its being considered as a purchase without being sent off to a shelter and being attacked.

[Puppyperson]

I was just asking about what everyone thought (puppy mill or not)!!!!! I am sorry that everyone is so heated about this. My mom just thought the puggles were cute--that's all. I hadn't seen one in person before so I thought I might check them out for her---THAT'S IT. I know there are a lot of dogs waiting for homes and if she finds one in a shelter--great--all I want is a good--no--wonderful puppy for my mother. I know there are alot of puppies in shelters and I went on petfinder to look but a lot of the puppies they had were lab and/or shepard mixes--that is just too big for her. She's 66 and has bad hips. She wants a dog safe not only with children but with other dogs as well. I am sorry for posting this thread because now I feel almost guilty if I get a puppy from a breeder--purebred or not.

[Luvmypupster]

Puppyperson, don't worry about it. You have done nothing wrong. You just asked the question "puppy mill or not?" and you are getting different opinions on it. I don't see that the thread has become heated. Everyone is just answering your question and giving their opinions. Thats the great thing about this forum...we agree to disagree. We all got our dogs from breeders and we all agree that it's important to always do your research on whom you buy from. Best wishes on finding the perfect pup.

[StewiesMom]

Puppy person - Where are you from? Are you familiar with the breeder's neighborhood? Its very upscale and the homes are very expensive. As to whether or not she is a puppy mill, i highly doubt it, but I do not think she is reputable either. That's my two cents.

[MeganS]

i would def. take a look they all look like they're in a house. but one thing i was noticing is that they are mixing a bunch of different breeds which means they have even more than that there. if the area of land is big then it might be different. just be careful. i agree the puggle is adorable!!!

[Lyz517]

Its interesting how this thread has become about opinions other than the question she originally asked. In her first post she stated her mom had already checked the shelters with no luck so far. If she was looking for another shelter she couldve went ahead to the rescue and homes needed section in this forum. She didnt ask if anyone thought the dogs were overpriced, she didnt ask if it was right or wrong to breed crosses, she didnt ask for other shelters info. Yes shelters cldve been suggested perhaps by saying...hey if you would like email me or PM and I'll give you a list of shelters that may help.
Opinions are opinions but why give it if it isnt asked? It causes debate thats not necessary, most of the time may end up hurting people.
Sticking to the topic is important.

[admin]

Puppyperson: You did nothing wrong, people that reply just need to stick to the subject when they reply. Please don't let anyone make you feel guilty about ANYTHING. That is not the purpose of this community, you can get some feedback, but you can do as you wish after considering other people's opinions. Many of us got our Yorkies from breeders in fact. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

Good luck on your search for a dog for your mother.

[YorkieRose]

Any ideas on how to answer a question we get here from time to time...
Goes like this...I was looking at a puppy today in a pet shop, do you think $1800 is too much to pay for a Yorkie...or what size do you think this pet shop pup will be?
Should we ignore the hazzards of buying from a pet shop and only reply to the question or relay our experinces?
Sometimes it is difficult to stick to the question and not warn the poster if we have had a terrible experince with the subject of the post.

[whispersmom2]

I agree with Yorkie Rose. She has so many years associated with Yorkies, breeders, handlers,shows, medical issues, mentoring and answers that continue to help me ..most if not all of us are owned by Yorkies. We do not need to agree about their confirmation, coat, color, etc but you let one of us have a problem dealing with Yorkies OR not, and most of us will form a posse if need be. I like that about the forum. We are sorta like a family at a big holiday dinner..We don't all have the same point of view but at the end of the day, we still care..

[Debr]

Originally Posted by Sunnyd

There is something that confuses me about some comments regarding mixes or "designer dogs." I may get a good lashing for saying this, but I don't understand why people are so upset about "designer dogs." Isn't mixing dogs with certain characteristics how we got the purebreds we have today? Didn't all purebred dogs get established by mixing breeds?

Sorry, I know this isn't really the place for this but I just thought of it.

I wanted to post this so badly but the thread about my Dixies hair got heated and I felt I'd shy away this time. I dont register my dogs-4 of the 5 do have AKC papers. only Zoie was registered-because I bred her and people wont buy without papers. Angel has a full titled American champ line, and a titled germany line with a 3x world seiger-but I do not support AKC and what they have done to certain breeds. They ruined the German Shepherd-temperament, working, and contribute to hip dysplasia with how they think they should look(super elongated). Any breed that will make money for AKC , that will turn a judges head in a show will get its own "breed". If a labradoodle is top 10 dogs and some of the big judges like them they will become AKC. and yes most dogs were mixed to come to the breed they are today. Chichuahua's are suspected to not only be a mix of a dog-but a mix of a dog with a fennec fox!.

here is where our yorkies came from:
The Yorkshire Terrier had its beginnings as a breed in the Yorkshire, Manchester and Leeds counties in the northern part of England. The weavers of Scotland brought their families and dogs with them when they left their homeland. The Industrial Revolution had forced them out of work. The time was the mid 19th century, 1860’s and 1870’s. The dogs that accompanied these families were for the most part the sturdy Scottish Terrier. The Paisley and Clydesdale Terrier’s bloodlines were probably also included in the bloodlines. These were all working men’s dogs, used to keep the vermin under control in the textile mills and coal mines. What bloodlines were used to establish the Yorkshire Terrier is subject to much speculation, due to the fact that the breeders of these dogs did not write down who was bred to whom. If they liked the spirit and looks of the dogs, they mated them. It was chancey at best.
It is guessed that the Yorkshire county miners crossed the Black and Tan English Terrier, this dog was rough-coated, and the long-coated, blue-gray Waterside Terrier breeds were infused in the Scottish Terriers. The Maltese and Skye Terrier are also possibilities.
In 1865, the foundation sire of the Yorkshire Terrier breed, was born. Huddersfield Ben was owned by M.A. Foster, and he enjoyed a very public life, to popularize the breed in England. He demonstrated that he was very successful in the rat killing contests (these were quite popular in the 19th century), and he won more than 70 prizes as a show dog as well. In 1872, the Yorkshire Terrier was introduced into the United States, and was recognized by the AKC in 1878. But it wasn’t until the 1930’s that the Yorkshire Terrier took on its modern look. It is important to note that the Yorkshire Terrier up until the 1930’s usually weighed approximately 30 pounds, not the 3 to 7 pounds it does today.

[Debr]

I dont know if the place your mom is looking at is a mill. I can say if you look at the placed pups page there are 10pages of pictures. In majority of those people are holding puppies in front of a wall with hooks. On those hooks are newly packaged toys. They either are a pet store or sell puppy suppplies with the puppies. I am not against all pet stores-I am against mill puppies, Dixie came from a petstore. The owners parents bred her and they have maybe 5 litters of different type puppies a year. No mills, not evil people-just people who love animals and share that with others via puppies.

the puggles are adorable, never heard of those until now.

[CC's]

Puppy mill is a subjective term. Years ago it did mean "puppy farm" as in a crop, no matter if the dogs were cared for or not. So for many people any commercial breeder is a puppy mill. Most people now think of poorly cared for animals as a "mill". So asking if its a mill will depend on your own veiw of what a mill is.



As for the Yorkie description given as being 30 pounds up to the 1930's.
"Huddersfield Ben" was 12 pounds and one of the most famous early Yorkies CH. Ted (Bens grandson) topped out at 4.5 pounds.

[admin]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Any ideas on how to answer a question we get here from time to time...
Goes like this...I was looking at a puppy today in a pet shop, do you think $1800 is too much to pay for a Yorkie...or what size do you think this pet shop pup will be?
Should we ignore the hazzards of buying from a pet shop and only reply to the question or relay our experinces?
Sometimes it is difficult to stick to the question and not warn the poster if we have had a terrible experince with the subject of the post.

You may choose to post your experiences or potential hazards with pet shop Yorkies, however you may not chastise that person or attack them if they are going to purchase one from a pet store.

[YorkieRose]

Thank you answering my question. I think the problem arises many times because the written word can not be heard and people misunderstand the tone.
I hope everyone will follow the rules and not harass members in private also. It has become upsetting to several and they are leery of posting an opinion.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Any ideas on how to answer a question we get here from time to time...
Goes like this...I was looking at a puppy today in a pet shop, do you think $1800 is too much to pay for a Yorkie...or what size do you think this pet shop pup will be?
Should we ignore the hazzards of buying from a pet shop and only reply to the question or relay our experinces?
Sometimes it is difficult to stick to the question and not warn the poster if we have had a terrible experince with the subject of the post.

According to the poll we conducted here on YT you will be happy to know that a very small percentage of people got their puppies from a pet store. It is a concern but not as big a one as some may think. Thank goodness.