I think I just bought a puppy mill Pup :(

[celstu1]

Originally Posted by punkie

I'm just curious and really would like to get some feedback on this.

I've heard of people having tiny puppies that just weighed ounces at around 11-12 weeks and turned out the be 6-8 lbs when grown.

But has anyone here had a puppy who was almost 2 lbs by 11 weeks that turned out the be less than 5 lbs when grown?

In one of my posts, I said my dexter weighed 1.8lbs at 9 weeks. At 15 weeks he weighed around 2.2lbs and at a year and 3 months he weighed 3.6lbs (I have the rabies certs from dec 06, he was born sept 05) and today he weighs b/t 4.5 - 5lbs. (some days hes 'thinner' than others)

[punkie]

Originally Posted by pepe mint

thank you. a good friend of mine breeds show danes and i plan on buying a pup from her spring litter. i am so excited about it. she has given me so much insight and knowledge about it,. i really feel prepared, thanks to her. she is amazing. we are looking for 2-5 acres, so hopefully soon we will have that and can get started building the perfect home for the babies I just want to make sure we have PLENTY of room

It definitely is exciting. And you definitely will need lots of room, LOL.
I'm sure they will bring you enormous amounts of joy.
Our Dane was the most gentle, loving and sweet animal ever. They are beautiful creatures.

[wengaroni]

Originally Posted by punkie

LOL...
Here are some pictures I just took.

The first two are him sleeping by his puppy gate.
The third one is him on top of the couch. He loves to climb up high.
The last one is him on the bed.

omgosh he is too adorable!

[Dorianyorkie]

Originally Posted by punkie

Has anyone here heard of Phil Gaidy or Doreen Deketelaere? I bought a male Yorkie pup from a man named Phil Gaidy about a week ago. He is located in Nobleton Ontario. I paid $1200 for the 10 week old pup. He had originally asked for $1400 on the phone and when I went to see the puppy, he said $1300. I told him I only had $1200 to spend and he went for it.

I was told on the phone that the pup would grow up to be about 2.5 lbs. Then when I got to the breeder's place, he brought me out two males to choose from and wouldn't let me in the house. His house stank really badly and I saw some dogs in cages through the door. I asked him if he kept his dogs in cages and he said that they liked to be confined to their crates throughout the day. I picked one of the pups and this time he told me that the pup would grow to be 3 lbs. I asked to see the mom and dad and he said that they were both away being bred at the time and showed me a couple of pictures on printer paper.
He also told me on the phone that the puppy would be micro chipped, but didn't mention anything about it when I got there. I asked him to guarantee that the dog wouldn't be more than 3 lbs and he said that he would guarantee that it wouldn't be more than 4 lbs.

Even though this guy sounded fishy, the puppy looked so tiny and I thought that at the worst possibility, I would be saving a little dog from a bad breeder.

The next day I took the puppy to my vet and she said it would grow to be 6 or 7 lbs and maybe even more. I called the breeder and told him that I had paid him for a 3 lbs dog and not a 7 lbs one. He told me he could get me a smaller teacup dog next weekend. I asked him how many litters he has in a year and he said about 16!

This guy also breeds English Bulldogs, Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier, Maltese and Poodles. This is his website: http://www.fairwinds1.piczo.com/?cr=3&rfm=y .

I got suspicious and googled his name and it came up on a site called Puppy Mill Detective: http://jowlflapper.com/phpBB2/viewto...654ba695bf7b8a .

Also his wife or partner named Doreen Deketelaere is mentioned. This is her website: http://www.pupbones.piczo.com/?cr=7&rfm=y .

I'm not sure what to do now. I like my puppy and he is a cute, seemingly healthy little fellow, but my heart was set on a much smaller dog. But I don't want to exchange him for a smaller one either because that would mean giving him back to a possible puppy mill and who knows what will happen to him.

Can anyone give me any advice or ideas as to what I should do?

OOOOOOoh, I am so sorry. It looks like a puppy mill to me too!

[punkie]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

By definition this breeder is a puppy miller.

Further, you said something that really bothered me more:
"I asked to see the mom and dad and he said that they were both away being bred at the time and showed me a couple of pictures on printer paper. "

I can understand the stud being bred again, but the bitch?? The pup that you purchased was 10 weeks old, which meant that A: The bitch had to have gone back into season within 10 weeks of having produced a litter AND B: That he was willing to breed her back to back.

Now, I've known some breeders to do a breeding back to back, but in rare circumstances.

Poor girl.

I'm glad you are in love w/ your puppy, and I'm sorry he took you for a run for your money. I don't know what you can do that you'd be okay w/.

Now that I think about it, the pictures he showed me might not have even been the parents. Who knows? All I can say is that I'm glad the puppy is healthy.

[punkie]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

By the way, my Ava that I imported from Hungary is still between 2.5 lbs and 3 (on a full belly). And she was born February 8th of '06.
I have your problem in reverse. lol, I was so hoping for a 5-6 lbs Yorkie and yet I wound up w/ this little girl. That's fine. I know that there simply is NO WAY to guarantee size. Unfortunantely.

The first 3 are Ava and the 4th is Nemo (who is 5.6 lbs)

She's really beautiful.

[punkie]

Originally Posted by chachi

Aw he has such a sweet face

Yes, he is a cute one for sure

[celstu1]

Originally Posted by punkie

LOL...
Here are some pictures I just took.

The first two are him sleeping by his puppy gate.
The third one is him on top of the couch. He loves to climb up high.
The last one is him on the bed.

Punkie, he is such a doll!!! Pick him up and hug him and give him a name! I bet you never want to let him go after you do that!

[punkie]

Originally Posted by wengaroni

omgosh he is too adorable!

Thank you

[punkie]

Originally Posted by celstu1

Punkie, he is such a doll!!! Pick him up and hug him and give him a name! I bet you never want to let him go after you do that!

You know what's funny? When we first got him, he was 9 weeks old and weighed 1.8 lbs just like your little guy and the name we were thinking of was Dexter, LOL.

[pepe mint]

oh

my

goodness



he could not possibly be ANY cuter!!!!!

give him a kiss for me. i wouldn't be able to stop kissing him what a gorgeous pup!!

[punkie]

Originally Posted by pepe mint

oh

my

goodness



he could not possibly be ANY cuter!!!!!

give him a kiss for me. i wouldn't be able to stop kissing him what a gorgeous pup!!

Thank you He is pretty adorable and growing on me for sure.

[pepe mint]

Originally Posted by punkie

Thank you He is pretty adorable and growing on me for sure.

I'm glad

you know, i really think you will realize that he will be a good size. i thought i wanted a teeny tiny baby too...but i fell in love with maggie from the first second i laid eyes on her. i didn't care if she got 20 lbs!!! and like i said before, you will not realize that he is gaining weight. you will carry him from day one...and at day 365, when he is bigger than he is now, you will not notice a difference. really. i know i don't. maggie was 2.6 lbs at 11 weeks. she is now 10 months and about 5.5 lbs ( i can't get an accurate weight because she has the cast on...with the cast it is 5.9 lbs). i really don't think she is heavy at all. and like i said before, she is with me ALL THE TIME. people that see me, know to expect to see her too you don't see one without the other, unless it is at a restaurant

[sweetr72]

His pictures are sooooooooooooooooooo sweet!! Look at his little face!! I tell ya if I could get more dogs and I cant lol...I would driving up to Toronto tonight!!! He is so adorable...I love him...I hope he stays with you...after you post pictures your a part of the YT family hehehehe...

Dawn

[Scruffles4Ever]

Originally Posted by punkie

And some more...

Here he is trying to destroy my boyfriend's sock and jumping around on the bed (supervised of course). He's been really energetic and rambunctious today.

He is really too cute!