Breeding

[Julz]

Hey Lisa,
did you see the "Brewers Yeast" thread I posted for you?
Julz

[lilliput]

hey Julz
No, what is it?

[Julz]

Originally Posted by lilliput

hey Julz
No, what is it?

Hi Lisa,
the thread is on page 2 of general discussions titled "Hey Lisa....Brewers Yeast".
Other people have added to it, so you may want to read the thread instead. Hope it works for you!
Julz

[mybirdys2003]

If you spay them before the first heat, you greatly deminish the chance for breast cancer. I would never even think of breeding Snoodles as she is only 3#1oz. I had her spayed and teeth pulled at 6 months. Of course, it is up to you and how big she gets. Myself I am too scared to even think about it even if she was bigger. I bred my poodle for the same reason you stated, and she had to have a C section. She had two pups, and I gave them to family. I wouldn't do it again.
Pat

[PerfectPup]

I would really suggest you find someone who can 'mentor' you through breeding. Someone who's been doing this for awhile. Perferably a YTCA member who breeds to IMPROVE the breed. And be prepared to lose your female. However small the chances are that a female might die during/after labor, it still is a chance.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by PerfectPup

I would really suggest you find someone who can 'mentor' you through breeding. Someone who's been doing this for awhile. Perferably a YTCA member who breeds to IMPROVE the breed. And be prepared to lose your female. However small the chances are that a female might die during/after labor, it still is a chance.

Good advice!

I am all in favor of breeding your female if it is what you truly desire to do after all your research. Sometimes I think yorkie fanciers spend more time researching the ifs, ands and buts or breeding dogs than the average person does before having children. It cracks me up. I mean we are certainly not having our kids "to improve the breed" and we don't not have kids because we are not Miss America material or our husband isn't Mr. Universe! I just cannot get my head around the whole "improving the breed" concept. Especially because they are talking about outward appearance primarily which imo is so secondary to temperament.

I like your attitude. You have a beautiful dog that you love and you want the joy of new puppies that you can share with yout family and friends, and allow your own baby the joy of motherhood.

It is very important that you know what you are getting into and you are smart to be starting your research now. You will make a wonderful hobby breeder in my opinion because your heart is in the right place and you are smart. Find a mentor who breeds yorkies or another small breed dog, enlist the help of your vet, and have fun!

Thiings can always go wrong but the breeders on here will tell you there is nothing like the experience!! It is usually well worth the time, effort and expense. Don't worry about selling or finding homes for your puppies either. Yorkies are in great demand. You won't have any trouble!

[yorkiegal719]

I'm not a breeder so what I'm adding to this is just my opinion. I don't think that there is anything wrong with wanting to breed. Everyone started somewhere with a female, and I'm sure if they lost all their females there wouldn't be any puppies to be had. Things can go wrong, there is not doubt, but that's where you have to be responsible and be prepared for anything. Have a vet on hand and if need be, c-sections. Mother's health comes first. Read up on everything and get familiar with the process, so if something comes up you will be ready for it. I would love to have puppies one day, but since I have all boys, I don't think that's going to happen any time soon Good luck with whatever you decide to do, you have time to change your mind lots of times...

[txshopper73]

Perfectpup....SLOW DOWN SISTA!!!! I don't think that SoCalyorkiLvr understand the term "improving the breed". SoCalyorkiLvr, when we say to improve the breed we are talking about not just outward appearance (hair quality, confirmation) we are also talking about inner improvements (knees, hips, tempermant)...genetic defects. There are breeders out there that breed whatever without looking at all of the problems. The unsuspecting buyer ends up with a pup that need to have knees repaired/replace, hips that need surgeries, poor appearances, overbites, underbites, roachec backs...the list goes on and on....

Please don't knock people that say that they want to improve the breed if you don't fully understand what it means.

[feminvstr]

I think some are missing the term to "improve the breed"

there are many substandard yorkies inside and out being bred then sold as "healthly, happy, perfect little puppies" passing on genetic heart aches to the unspecting public (or uneducated buyers) for the same price if not higher of a well balanced, genetic test, bred within the AKC Yorkshire Terrier toy breed standard.

Prime website selling substandard ill bred dogs is wizard of claws, for what, $5000 and up where many yorkies that dont even look like a Yorkie.

How many of you were taken by surprise when your baby doubled the weight you were expecting? ie being told he/she will be 5lbs and you watch it grow and grow and grow to 8-10lbs you many not love it any less but was it what you were expecting?

how many owners got a coat other than a silk coat? The puppy looked cute and fluffy when you bought him and now a matted hard to maintain mess!

how many of your babies have suffered with liver shunt? the breeder response is "thats impossible" offer to take it back knowing the breeder is going to put your baby down if returned. Playing on your emotions knowing you wouldnt return him/her and for you to foot the doctor bills on your own!

How many of your babies suffer from leg perthes?? the breeder response again "that impossible" same offer!

This breeder is not breeding "to improve the breed" but to meet the demand and to pay for their annual vacation!

JMHO

Knowing I couldnt breed the perfect human, I didnt

[txshopper73]

That's why you should do your research when finding a breeder. Try to find one with a good reputation and one that offers guarantees. You'll never find the absolute PERFECT pup, but with a good breeder, you can find one that doesn't have all of the genetic problems...maybe

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Good advice!

I am all in favor of breeding your female if it is what you truly desire to do after all your research. Sometimes I think yorkie fanciers spend more time researching the ifs, ands and buts or breeding dogs than the average person does before having children. It cracks me up. I mean we are certainly not having our kids "to improve the breed" and we don't not have kids because we are not Miss America material or our husband isn't Mr. Universe! I just cannot get my head around the whole "improving the breed" concept. Especially because they are talking about outward appearance primarily which imo is so secondary to temperament.

I like your attitude. You have a beautiful dog that you love and you want the joy of new puppies that you can share with yout family and friends, and allow your own baby the joy of motherhood.

It is very important that you know what you are getting into and you are smart to be starting your research now. You will make a wonderful hobby breeder in my opinion because your heart is in the right place and you are smart. Find a mentor who breeds yorkies or another small breed dog, enlist the help of your vet, and have fun!

Thiings can always go wrong but the breeders on here will tell you there is nothing like the experience!! It is usually well worth the time, effort and expense. Don't worry about selling or finding homes for your puppies either. Yorkies are in great demand. You won't have any trouble!

Having kids and keeping the human race alive has nothing to do with BREEDING. I just cannot believe anyone could say people are obsessed with the if's and or buts about breeding....if it wasn't for these GOOD BREEDERS - ALL of our yorkies would have genetic health defects - these are the breeders that strive for healthy strong beautiful yorkies for US to be able to love. Sometimes I don't understand certain views - and everyone is entitled to them...but honestly - that comment floored me and I thought was an insult to all the caring breeders out there. Sorry - but this is JMO

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I think some are missing the term to "improve the breed"

there are many substandard yorkies inside and out being bred then sold as "healthly, happy, perfect little puppies" passing on genetic heart aches to the unspecting public (or uneducated buyers) for the same price if not higher of a well balanced, genetic test, bred within the AKC Yorkshire Terrier toy breed standard.

Prime website selling substandard ill bred dogs is wizard of claws, for what, $5000 and up where many yorkies that dont even look like a Yorkie.

How many of you were taken by surprise when your baby doubled the weight you were expecting? ie being told he/she will be 5lbs and you watch it grow and grow and grow to 8-10lbs you many not love it any less but was it what you were expecting?

how many owners got a coat other than a silk coat? The puppy looked cute and fluffy when you bought him and now a matted hard to maintain mess!

how many of your babies have suffered with liver shunt? the breeder response is "thats impossible" offer to take it back knowing the breeder is going to put your baby down if returned. Playing on your emotions knowing you wouldnt return him/her and for you to foot the doctor bills on your own!

How many of your babies suffer from leg perthes?? the breeder response again "that impossible" same offer!

This breeder is not breeding "to improve the breed" but to meet the demand and to pay for their annual vacation!

JMHO

Knowing I couldnt breed the perfect human, I didnt

PERFECTLY SAID....I totally agree and can relate to the first few as I went thru these myself...Chanels Breeder is ALL about the money and wanted nothing to do with her once she left the premises...Within a few days when I called her to tell her Chanel had coccidia....She claimed she'd never heard of it....didn't care that Chanel was sick and could have died...nothing.

I couldn't believe this is the woman who professed to LOVE all her puppies - yet she didn't give me the time of day ...so yes - it sure can be all about the money ! Others I know of who purchased a puppy thru her have WORSE problems then Chanel had - I'm very lucky and BLESSED she is healthy and happy - but feel awful this woman is still in business selling yorkies with many health defects !

There is a vicious circle with breeders who DON't strive to improve - has anyone ever heard of someone saying - let me take this ugly little pup here with LS and make some babies ? no....but some hobby breeders don't KNOW if their yorkie has these genetic problems and just breed away - then maybe THOSE puppies are bred...where would this stop if everyone just said - hey ...let's make yorkie babies?

I can understand someone wanting puppies - I truly can... because I would LOVE to breed mine - but I know mine are NOT the standard and do have some of the things Feminvster talked about. I COULD breed but I WON'T just for those reasons...

Wow...sometimes things we read here blow me away. We're all entitled to our opinions....hope I don't get banned for this....but I'm pretty amazed here....

[red98vett]

ps....People don't have kids and SELL them (tempting as that might be sometimes lol)

so basically that comment had no bearing on the concept of breeding....I had a hard time wrapping my head around THAT one.....

[Julie1]

I don't want to insult anyone so please don't assume I am talking about you !

But I have a query what is the difference between a pet owner only wanting one litter and a back yard breeder ? I really can't see the difference but enlighten me if if I am wrong.

[red98vett]

I think the difference in some peoples eyes.... is having a litter is something you would do for love or to procreate your puppy because you feel it's a great way to share the qualities - I sure can't say anything is wrong with that !!

A (BAD) backyard breeder is one who breeds over and over for profit not really caring about the health of the puppies...I'm SO NOT saying someone can't breed - I am not a breeder myself & I said earlier... I would LOVE to have puppies by either of my girls...

but... there are SOME breeders out there just breeding for money - without considering all it entails.....I think these are the breeders some people have problems with - I consider Chanels breeder to be a bad breeder ...but back when I got her - I didn't know any better....

I got my Cheri from a private home from a couple who just loved their baby so much they wanted puppies by her....nothing wrong with that ...and I'm so happy with Cheri I'm really glad I found her...

She was in a good enviornment -I got to meet the parents and I could tell the second I walked in these were very caring people who just wanted to have yorkie puppies... These posts are always about the UNCARING people out there with $$ signs in their eyes...not true yorkie lovers.