Excellent post Debbie! As always, our little peacemaker :p I agree Michiko needs to get what she paid for, PERIOD.

Sylvan
 

I, for one do NOT want or expect any breeder to post a response to a situation as this...handle it with the buyer. The buyer is in a different position...they should IMO go to Breeder Feedback and post their positive or negative experince.
I see nothing wrong in saying..." I bought a puppy from XXXX Yorkies and have never received papers"..or whatever...that is information that can be useful to a potential buyer. Simply state facts without opinions, which I think the poster did quite well. If she had bought a puppy from me and I had done the same, I would expect to read negative feedback about myself.

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If no response is made to Mickiko from Sylvan Yorkies openly or privately, then I think the above process mentioned by YorkieRose should be started. A contract is a contract........AND simple contact/explanation by Sylvan (5 months is plenty of time for contact to have been made, even by snail mail standards) would have avoided this whole thread being created in the first place.

THe thing is...

The first time I told her about posting something like this if I didn't hear from her. She sent me a pedigree that she made... with AKC logo on it... then I was puzzled.. Maybe she just thought that I was curious to know who was in her family tree... but I needed registration numbers to register... then I got more puzzled.

Michiko,
Have you checked with AKC to see if the litter has been registered or if there is some kind of problem with the paperwork that you dont know about? I dont even know for sure if that is an option or if they would give you the info. It would be easier if the breeder would just pm you and let you know what is going on so you have some idea what is happening.

I'm very, very sad for everyone affected by this situation. I hope that whatever is going on in Stacy's life that is interfering with something that she seemingly loved (breeding) is resolved and that she can handle all the issues. I wonder if she just thinks it's tanked this far and there's no way she can recover....Stacy, if you are out there....it seems all you really need to do is communicate...people are human, everyone has bad times and make mistakes but others are usually way more understanding than you think.
Michiko...love you and Haruka...hope it all works out.
Timmy....wishing Lilly the best.

I agree.......she deserves to get what she paid for.

It seems to me you wrote your opinion without reading the original post.

I feel this post is really unfair to Michiko. I know Michiko really didn't want things to come to this and she gave Stacy more than enough opportunities to settle things privately. What else can she do when the other party won't communicate with her?

Michiko tried over and over and over to contact Stacy and gave her chance after chance to speak to her and to send her the paperwork. I know she honestly wanted to avoid this and she is concerned about Stacy's well being.

This comment is totally out of line and very hurtful (IMO). Michiko cares about Stacy and she waited for weeks hoping Stacy would contact her. Starting this thread was very difficult for her to do.

I hope can see it in a different light.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Great posting...I hope she contacts Michiko soon so that this can finally be resolved...

Dawn

I don't know if I'm right or not but I was under the impression you can't do a check without a registeration number on the dam - Can AKC check for a litter registeration with just the breeder's name?

Michiko told me she asked Stacy for just the registeration numbers for the litter and/or the dam & sire so she can get the paperwork directly from AKC but she didn't get a reply to this request either.

You are kidding,right?

That is okay.. I am feeling okay... :)

forewarned is forearmed
 

Good. I'm glad you're feeling okay in this situation. I know its hard...:(

No one in their right mind would make outrageous comments like that. Rest assured that that poster is by far the minority. The rest of us are here for you.

I just have to ask...why would the rest of you feel entitled to any explanation?

I'm sorry for your bad experience with Stacy. Like so many others here, I thought she was a very reputable breeder from what I have read/heard.

I'm also very sorry for Lilly's mom, that she was sold a puppy who was much sicker than she was led to believe. I would think you're entitled to at least some of your money back.

I am buying a sick puppy (not from Sylvan), but I know exactly what I am getting into because the breeder has been honest about my Lily's health problems. But, I am not paying as much as Timmy paid for Lily, and I am not being misled about her problems. It's much different when it is your OWN choice and you know EXACTLY what you are getting into. I will keep your Lilly in my prayers.

To the OP: I think that if you paid for an AKC registered yorkie, that is exactly what you are entitled to get. I hope you and Stacy are able to resolve this issue. I can see that it was very hard for you to post.

There are always two sides to every story, but you waited a long time and even warned this breeder that you would post here. I can't help but think that something has gone very wrong with Stacy, but a simple phone call from her could clear things up and possibly prevent some hard feelings.

Perhaps if Stacy sees this thread, she will at least consider telling her side privately to the OP. I hope so.

Although I myself don't feel entitled to any explanation from Stacy, I can see why others might. There are others that have bought from her, considered buying from her, and will buy from her. Also, there are people who have put a lot of time and and energy comforting and supporting michiko because they care so much. For these people, I can see where a sense of entitlement to know the truth develops...

Only thing is that my name is michiko and my initial is MK not OP. Ha!

Interesting to see people say timmy's name but I am OP.

I'm trying to have a humor!

I'm sorry, I meant "original poster". I should have said your name.

You know what? I didn't know what OP was at first.... All I can read it as was Ocean Pacific! Kept on thinking what's Op? Operation? Operator? Option? Ocean Pacific? Out Post? Other Post? finally when I got to page 7 or 8 I realized.... Original Poster!!!!

I'm soooo lame!

I dont know if they can or cant. I assumed they could by just using the names of the sire and dam but maybe not. Anybody know for sure? I have seen people on here post everydog that another breeder has ever had a litter from. I dont know how they would have access to that information if they needed all of their registration numbers so I cant say for sure.

Lol! "OP" means original poster, since you were the one that started the thread. Timmy doesn't have an abbreviation because that poster just posted, they didn't start the thread.

I'm sorry Michiko that you are having to deal with this and my heart goes out to Timmy as well. I do not feel that any of you were out of line for posting your experiences. In fact, I admire your courage for wanting to set the record straight.

It would be one thing if you chose not to say anything if you had not previously posted praise for this breeder but since you had given a positive recommendation before, it was your duty to give your honest experience when the situation turned negative. Thank you.

Jim.....let me reiterate this for you...since my "logic" has gone over your head.

The only "logical" reason anyone would need papers is if they purchased a "Show Potential" Puppy to:

a) Breed

b) Show their Dog.

Unless someone wants to paper their bathroom wall with AKC papers...I fail to see the value in it.

In addition, we have no idea WHY the papers have not arrived, but to make the assumption that a breeder is unethical, and convict this person on a Public Forum before the facts are known...is ridiculous!

The point here is not whether Sylvan Yorkies is guilty of accusations made against her on this forum. What the truth is...none of us know. What is important to understand is that there are TWO sides to every story....and we are only hearing ONE!

I find it annoying when members are allowed to Post on here...with unsubstantiated accusations, and then sit back and watch the "Pack" close in for the Kill! God! It's like "Lord of the Flies" revisited!

Lastly, I"m sure this goes against the flow here....but I personally don't feel ANYONE owes ME an explanation....


Francie


P.S. And by the way Jim....may I extend my gratitude for pointing out my typos to me. What's the matter.....did you lose your Binky today?

Waiting over five months for something you should have been handed when you received your puppy is just crazy. File paperwork in small claims court and get her served. She'll appear in court to answer her "business" practices and you'll most likely get your refund since she didn't fulfill her end of the contract.

You would do this with anything else you bought so don't let a supposed "friendship" stop you from getting what is due you and what you've already paid for.

you know what, maybe Michiko does want to make thousands of copies of it and paper her bathroom with it. That's of no business to you what she wants to use the paper for. The point is she paid for an AKC registered Yorkie and that is what she should get. If Haruka wasn't registered or wasn't able to be registered then Stacy should have told her that up front before purchasing the puppy AND the price should have been lowered.

YOU fail to see the value of akc papers but others don't. Why offer AKC papers at all if they are of no value? Why is it that people would rather have an AKC dog instead of a CKC dog? It must be because they hold a higher standard or value.

It doesn't matter what YOU think about the papers. They are important to Michiko. In fact i believe that was one of the questions she asked before she purchased Haruka. She wasn't to be able to register her puppy. Stacy said she would be able to do so after she was spayed. So Michiko purchased the puppy and waited to have her spayed. Once Haruka was spayed she sent in the proof to Stacy and asked for her papers or the registration numbers of the parents. That was in January. It is now July. Michiko has waits a very long time for these papers. She's waited a very long time for some sort of decent response from Stacy and Stacy has given her none. I know both of these people personally. Michiko is a very nice and honest person and i know she would not lie about anything. Stacy, when i talked to her more frequently (not a loss of communication on my part) was also a very nice and decent person. I am wondering too about what is going on with her because i would not have suspected her to hold out this long on giving the papers to Michiko. i've talked with Michiko about this situation for MONTHS, and in the beginning i even told her to be patient, something was probably wrong or Stacy was having a hard time with something personal because it was so unlike her.

I hope this all gets resolved soon. I hope Michiko gets her papers and that whatever is it that is going on in stacy's life right now turns out well because i wish no harm on either of them.

I think your missing the point...Michiko would LOVE to hear the OTHER side of the story!!!!!!! She has done everything in her power for the OTHER side of the story!!!

Why pay reg' AKC prices for a dog that MIGHT not even be AKC...do you not see her reasons for wanting the papers??? I paid $500.00 for a non-registered yorkie but heck if I paid top dollar I sure would want some proof it WAS a registered yorkie...

Im not sure why you think is isnt fair for her to go public...wouldnt you want to know if a business did this sort of thing to their customers...our friends??

I am NOT 'out to get Stacy' and I am not part of the 'pack' as your so oddly put it...and I see no one on this thread that is out to get her??? I see many wonderful compliments and worry for Stacy and I also see things coming to light about her business practices...Stacy personally and Stacy the business woman are two differnt things to me...I cant possibly find an excuse for someone to be ignored for 5 months...its unfair and bad business simple as that...

Dawn

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geez! some people just to put themselves in other people's shoes.

I felt the itch to reply.......

This is my view in the difference between AKC important to me versus you. While Haruka is spayed and will not be bred or showed, I can understand what YOU mean about it registration not being important to YOU.

But....

To me, it IS important. Analogy: It's like a last name. When you give birth to a child, they usually take on the father's last name right? Well, what if you don't know who the father is........you give them yours.

I am not sure I make myself clear but registration versus not is like the "bastard child" to ME. That yorkie has (one assumes) AKC parents and should be able to proudly display AKC registration period! She didn't come from a puppy mill and has every right to have that "birth certificate" sort-to speak.

I can definitely see the importance to Michiko and even if that was not the case.........she should be able to make thousands of copies and plaster her wall if she chose to.......better yet, use them as toilet paper if she wished (sorry to be so blunt) :mad:

AKC IS important to others.......maybe not for the same reasons as for YOU but whatever Michiko's reasons.......should be respected and understood!!