How true.

Very well said....I always liked Stacy as a person and can't say about her breeding program... but I have to think something is wrong for her to be ignoring this - at the same time - yes - this IS business and there is a good sum of money involved - if a buyer is promised papers & does their part to uphold the contract - they should receive them ...I do hope this gets resolved for the sake of both parties.

breeder
 

When I respond to a post about a breeder..I rarely look at the name..if Lorriane, who is a close friend, more like my sister, has some my own Yorkies did the same thing I would be on the phone chewing her out..and she would be doing the same if I had treated a client in this manner..
Having no phone, computer doesn't work for me..find a piece of paper and buy a stamp..send me a note..heck, call me collect from a pay phone..BUT communicate with me.

I dont see anyone really bad mouthing anyone. I only see 3 people that have had problems and all of them have had little if no communication with the breeder. That is where the problem lies. It doesnt matter what the problem is, and being a breeder I know for a fact that sh** happens and it doesnt matter how dedicated and respectable you are and how hard you try things are just going to happen anyway. The right thing to do it let the person know what is going on and most of the time if you are being honest with them they will understand and somehow you can get things worked out for both of you. Just ignoring them is plain wrong. I know because I have gotten this same treatment from a breeder too and know how it feels. It is very frustrating.

Personally, I think if she has enough time to log on to this website, he has enough time to respond to Michiko's PMs, phone calls, emails, and this thread..again, thats IMO...

I know it's a bit off topic but I was told that the hereditary factor in LP is bowed legs and weak cartilage. Do you find this to be true?

As a matter of fact, my girl who had LP corrective surgery that I paid for (all $ involved is over 5K at this point for this surgery) b/c my breeder told me that NONE of her breeding dogs have LP and NONE of her breeding dogs ever produced a pup with LP --- Both her rear legs have a curvature to her bone structure, her one knee cap was facing the wrong way and her grooves that the knee caps are suppose to fit and stay secure were extremely shallow that it was impossible for them to not luxate...But, again - FREE PASS - Patella Luxation 'can' happen from injury too -- That's what my answer to it all was from my breeder -- BULL S*** :mad:

Wow I'm really shocked to hear about this. I always thought Stacy was a great breeder with the highest of standards :confused: I don't know both sides of the story and there usually always is. Life happens sometimes and hopefully nothing bad has happened. Michiko I'm so sorry for what you've gone through. I know how expensive yorkies are, especially Sylvan Yorkies, so I definitely feel that you deserve to get what you paid for and what was in the contract. If she never registered a litter I believe she owes you a substantial partial refund, because Haruka should have been sold as pet quality with no papers if that's the case. I just hope this is a big misunderstanding:(

I am so sorry you are going through such a tough time. I have read posts that you wrote and just like everyone else you took up a lot of time and research trying to find the best yorkie. I hope things get better soon.

I think maybe what I said was misunderstood:( ...business (which is what this is?) is one thing, personal lives are another--as long as it remains fact and isn't speculation, which has been stated about both the business and personal aspects of this--THAT was my concern.

I don't think any of the threee members who posted issues were at fault or to blame or neccessarily out of line. Explaining their experience and issues is within their right, IMO.:thumbup: MY interpretation is that it almost seems like people uninvolved are challenging Stacey to come and hash things out on this here for all to read and I mearly stated that I wouldn't blame her if she chose not to. She's not exactly getting a warm reception here, is she?:rolleyes: Maybe with good reason, who knows?

In any case, I exchanged PMs w/ Michicko when she started this thread and she knows where I stand, so that's all that matters.:)

breeders
 

May I add one last thing...I can make a list of the top Yorkie breeders in the world and ask people to write a positive or negative review. There will not be a single breeder who does not get negative feedback from someon, even more then one.....all types of problems, from health, to temperment to no papers, failure to comply to the contract, puppy wasn't what it was suppose to be..wasn't show quality, breed quality, over priced..on and on...

There is a woman in Va who bought a puppy from me and if you talked to her you would think I am Hitler reincarnated..she hates me..when her name used to come up on caller ID I wanted to throw the phone out the back door...but as a breeder you have to deal with these things.

I applaude you all for coming forward and sharing your stories with such honesty and diplomacy. It's been a tough road that you have had to travel and I am truly sorry for all that you are going through. I think you handled the situation well and I don't feel that you have bashed her at all.

Sylvan has had a great reputaition and she has made a lot of money on that reputation. I hope that she works out this situation to the mutual satisfaction of all parties. I know her pups are pricey because I checked her out when I was looking for a baby.

I honestly can't understand how or why she hasn't responded to you. I know personally I might not have been as diplomatic in my posting if it were me that this happened to. You put a lot of stock in having a healthy and registerable baby and that is what you paid for and that is what you should get.

I personally am glad that you put it out there. I think it's very important that we are able to see the good and bad to ever breeder if it can help in our road to making an informed decision and eventually purchase.

Good luck to you both. I hope you get your papers and Timmy I hope your baby flies through with flying colors.

I'm not taking sides. However, I have to say one thing and that is Timmy mom to Lilly has been very kind in how she has written her posts. If I remember correctly, the adoption fee being asked for Lilly was $500. The heart murmur as it was listed in the post would appear to readers, as if it was really nothing. Very minor. I am not privy to what was said privately between Timmy and Sylvan but Timmy and I have spoken privately as she too is from NU. Now, I know that the Puppy Lemon Law in NJ states that the buyer of a sick pup is entitled to vet fees up to the cost of the pup. I do not know what the PA Puppy Lemon law is or if there is one but can be easily checked. With that said;

The fact that Lilly has more health issues then originally stated in the post would entitle Timmy to atleast get her $500 back if the PA Puppy Lemon Law is similiar to NJ and in fairness whether it is or isn't and whether Timmy is asking or not shouldn't be the issue. Personally since Timmy is going to foot a $3,000 bill to try and save Lilly I think with the reputation Sylvan appeared to have, it would seem that the right thing for Stacy to do is give her her initial $500 adoption fee back to put towards saving Lilly's life. I don't think that is something that should have to be asked but rather something offered by Stacey in Good Will. Timmy is trying to do right by this little girl. Just my oppinion. Elaine

These links talk about the laws on puppy sales & warranties, just a fyi ....

http://www.animallaw.info/articles/dduspetsales.htm

http://www.animallaw.info/articles/o...onstatutes.htm

I'm in shock
 

I just read through this entire thread and cannot believe the way this breeder has handled this whole situation regarding all three posters, Michiko, Kalina and Timmy. I fell for each one of you in your seperate situations. Timmy I'm sending thoughts and prayers your way for a safe recovery for Lilly.

Yes there are two sides to every story and although we may never hear the other side, because Stacy probably won't and does not need to post her reasoning on this thread. However she is obligated to give her buyers an explanation for ignoring their calls. At that point the OP can post on this thread that everything has been settled to her satisfaction so that the other YTers following this thread will know that the whole situation has been resolved.

I agree. I'll be keeping little Lilly in my prayers. That poor baby. :(

I am so shocked to see all of this... I as well as others thought Stacy to be a well respected breeder. In fact, a few months ago I nearly bought a puppy from her but for some reason felt that it was not right. Call it a gut feeling, I guess.

I think that the OP had every right to post this. She comes across as a very caring, nice person and seems to have concern for Stacy.

Maybe something is going on in the breeders personal life, but that does not make it okay to handle the situation like she has. She's clearly seen this thread and has chosen not to respond. Everyone has shown not only concern for the OP that she hasn't gotten her AKC paperwork, but ALSO for Stacy and wondering if she's okay.

I would like to hear both sides of the story as well, but I will totally side with the OP because she did not get paperwork she was promised. That is totally wrong no matter what the circumstance.

I have taken all the private steps!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

She is spayed!!!!!!!!!!! and I paid for the price for an AKC yorkie and I would like to register. If you can read carefully what I said, I thoughtfully posted this. All my feelings are there.

Stacy had so many chances to tell me her side of stories... and she can here as well.

i agree, you have a duty to help in every way that you can as a breeder, i have had a bad experience with a breeder, and they do have a duty to help you...in my experience the lady who i got my boy from just wanted to fund her world cruise.

I cannot beleive she charged so much for a sick puppy. I could understand a small 200 or maybe a little more adoption fee but OMG 500 dollars. I think the PA lemon law is very similar to the NJ one so she may be entitled to the 500 dollars back. I would seriously look into this. I know that 500 dollars doesnt even touch the amount of the PDA surgery but every little bit helps.

I have been following this topic and like others have said no one is Bashing Slyvan yorkies but they are entitled to what they paid for. I would want my papers if I had paid for a dog with AKC papers. You upholded your part of the contract it is only right she uphold her part of the contract. I hope you have started the steps legally to get what you paid for. This sounds like an open and shut case. But if this breeder were smart she would take care of this before it goes any farther. All she is doing now is destroying her name and by ignoring this problem its only going to get worse. Im sure like others have said, all she had to do was talk to you, explain things (even if they werent as she stated when the pup was sold). Im sure this would of never been posted on the internet and now its out there for the world to read and when someone now does a search on Slyvan yorkies they are going to find this topic and are going to look elsewhere for a pup.

I for one....truly believe Sylvan Yorkies is a dedicated Breeder who loves her Yorkies and takes great care in finding them loving homes.

I think in all FAIRNESS to Stacy.....it would be important to actually hear the OTHER side of the story, before making attempts to dishonor her reputation.

You have admitted publically how happy you are with Haruka......and so I am puzzled on why you would take great pains to Post this. Were you planning on BREEDING Haruka?

Perhaps its my nature.....but I certainly would have taken more PRIVATE steps to address this.

And I'm glad you feel so much better now......irregardless of the consequences to others....


Francie
I don't understand your logic. What does it matter if she was planning on breeding Haruka? She paid for the papers and after numerous emails and unreturned phone calls she posted here. This is exactly what she should have done. Maybe it will prevent someone else from going through the same thing. As far as consequences, Stacy brought all this on herself. I have no sympathy for her. Oh, and just for the record...there's no such word as irregardless.

Michiko

I remember when you could only care for your friends Yorkie and was just hoping a saving to get your own. I was so happy to here to finally got one of your own and you had gotten one from such a good breeder. My first thought was what a spoiled little girl she was going to be (and probably is). I hope things work out for you.

;) Jim,
There is such a word as petty though, perhaps you have heard it?

Okay Jim, there is a word irregardless ( I looked it up in the dictionary). Can't help but feel that I missed something on that one!! I just wanted to say that if you pay for a registerable puppy and fulfilled your end of the contract than papers should be forthcoming. You have a right to pursue them and should do so.

It's getting a little ugly in here.

Petty? Just trying to help.
ETYMOLOGY:
Probably blend of irrespective , and regardless
Usage Note:
Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

:snore: :snore: :snore:

Can you all believe what this thread has turned into? Why do these threads continue to get ugly when we all say we'll do better next time? We all need to read the first post AGAIN.

I think everyone needs to take a chill pill and relax. The OP has remained steady in trying to be as tactful as possible in a bad situation. I realize there are 2 sides to this story, but I feel the OP should be commended for her honest and integrity for keeping this post as unbiased as possible. She has a right to get what she paid for since she kept up her end of a spay/neuter contract.

I'm not going to bash anyone including Sylvan Yorkies, she has a right to choose ignore commenting on this out in public and handle it in a more private way if she so chooses. I'm not god and I surely dont walk on water, we are all human and make mistakes, perhaps she has a reason for this incident and will handle it privately.

As for the OP I hope this is worked out to your satisfaction.

Yes that! :thumbup: