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I am shocked. I held Stacy in high esteem as well, from all I have heard and read about her... You are brave to come forward and share your story Michiko, and so are you Kalina and Timmy. Thank you. |
I'm totally shocked on all ends of this. :( and also very sad. Stacy was such a good friend of mine. But, I've lost contact with her too. :( I visited her house once with Sherry Lynn. All of her dogs were so beautiful and well-cared for... Michiko, I know how much you looked into the breed before you bought from Stacy. and I know how much thought and time you put into this. I'm sorry you're having a rough time and I hope it is resolved. Kalina - I'm sorry you've had a rough time too. Timmy - you as well. I'm so sorry. Hopefully Stacy will come and be honest with everyone soon. This whole situation is very sad. :( |
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What is her story? I am glad you posted here so that others may be aware of this. My heart goes out to Timmy and Lily, and the others who are waiting for Stacey (Sylvan) to step up and respond as a responsible person should do. Such a shame. |
Such a shame it has come to this. I hope it works out for all parties concerned. |
I really hope Stacy is okay. None of this sounds like her. I used to be on another forum she was on but it went down. I just really hope something bad isnt gong on |
not to stick up for sylvan, but just a point i want to make.....when i got peanut, ( from another breeder, not sylvan) it took me forever to get the papers.....she didnt answer emails and her phone was disconnected..so i went to her house..it was empty......i thought what the heck is going on? i kept trying to get ahold of her somehow...till finally i found her, she had problems and had to move, had no phone and couldnt get online...... things happen..no ones life is perfect. i agree that if she has been online, she should have made this right, or at least tell you what the problem is before it came to this point. i only talked to stacey a few times, well i mean pmmed....( i think lilly is the one i almost took before she put her in the for sale threads) but i did call her a few times and i never got an answer. what i'm trying to say is...maybe something is going on with her and she just isnt herself, and if her site isnt up, well that tells me something is up..... i am looking for either another yorkie or a maltese not sure yet, and i was really thinking of stacey for a yorkie, because she is close to me and everyone talked so highly of her , but till i hear from her whats going on, i will keep looking.................thank you for starting this thread.. ..when i pay for something, i expect to get it, and you should too.....good luck..i hope all works out for you |
WOW, when I purchased my puppies several years ago, I received all my paper work with them. Now I have bred two of my females and have registered my last litter when they were three (3) days old, after they were seen by the Vet...They have all been Vet checked at 3 days old, 6 weeks old and again at 10 weeks...The person who purchased my little boy received my Vet papers with him...Along with the AKC papers.......I don't understand if you paid for papers then as the buyer you should received them too...I for one am very sorry that you have to go through this...After 3 1/2 years I can still contact my breeder regarding MY dogs... As a respectable breeder they want to know what happens to their puppies.......I hope that I can do the same with my litters........ |
Her profile says last activity yesterday at 10:40 am, so she has been online to see this thread. |
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Michiko, Kalina & Timmy, You were all very brave to come out and tell this. I know you wish no harm but sometimes it is important to get this out of your chest, because it hurts. It is also important for us to know all this. Like some said, people change sometimes, but they can also change back. Once in a while things like this have to happen so people can realize how they are acting. Thanks again for your honesty :) |
i really do hope everything works out for you. papers are important to me as well and breeders need to be upfront if there is a problem. good luck to you, |
I for one....truly believe Sylvan Yorkies is a dedicated Breeder who loves her Yorkies and takes great care in finding them loving homes. I think in all FAIRNESS to Stacy.....it would be important to actually hear the OTHER side of the story, before making attempts to dishonor her reputation. You have admitted publically how happy you are with Haruka......and so I am puzzled on why you would take great pains to Post this. Were you planning on BREEDING Haruka? Perhaps its my nature.....but I certainly would have taken more PRIVATE steps to address this. And I'm glad you feel so much better now......irregardless of the consequences to others.... Francie |
This is a website where honest opinions and experiences w/ breeders is much appreciated. People USE these opinions to guide their purchasing a new furry member of their family. Since you've taken steps, ad nauseum, to contact her - with no reply - I think it is prudent to post your experience. If her position is defensable, then I'm sure she will post her side of the story. The breeders on this site share some of the strongest opinions on this board (perhaps sometimes a bit too strong ;) LOL). Their opinions are almost always greatly appreciated and respected. HOWEVER, FOR A BREEDER TO MAINTAIN A RESPECTED OPINION AND REPUTATION, THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO SHOW IT IS DESERVED, YES? You, as a BUYER, are just as entitled to share your opinion and experience - and I commend you for doing so! It is clear it took a lot of thinking for you to arrive at this point. |
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She also stated that in order to get the papers Haruka had to be SPAYED, so she obviously isn't planning on breeding her. She paid for a AKC REGISTERED dog and that's what she was expecting, but the breeder didn't uphold her end of the contract..she said that too, I don't know if you saw it.. Honestly, if I was Michiko, by this point, I wouldn't be worried about being fair to Stacy anymore since that's what she's BEEN doing for the past 5 months.. Michiko told Stacy in an email about posting this thread, so she was aware or it coming out..Maybe the breeder should have thought about those consequences when she decided to ignore Michiko for 5 months or sell Timmy a dog that was much sicker than she originally said..IMO |
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Of course, we would all like to hear the other side of the story, that does not make OP's post out of line, and she has every right to let people know. We're still waiting for the other side, and I for one hope it is resolved well and that she gets her papers. And, obviously, if she wanted to breed her, she would not have had her SPAYED, as she posted in her original post--what was part of the contract to receive her papers... You don't have to want to breed to expect papers. She paid for an AKC, purebred, registered yorkie, and she should get that without having to explain why she wants her papers. |
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"This is a website where honest opinions and experiences w/ breeders is much appreciated. People USE these opinions to guide their purchasing a new furry member of their family." At what point are you responsible for doing your own homework? There have been many many threads on how to find a reputable breeder, MOST of the breeders on here do not fit into all the categories. It is, IMO, bad form to discuss any breeder, bad or good on a public forum without having the other side of the story. You can certainly mention red flags on websites or serious health issues within a breeding program but I have seen breeders get blasted here by name for selling a dog that later had LP, I always want to ask...did you let the puppy play Superman and jump off everything? I cannot comment on Staceys breeding program, I know nothing about it but I would think some would be a little more careful in their public responses, I have seen people sued for less on these dog forums:rolleyes: . |
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Did you have to pay for her, or did you just adopt her? If you paid for her, then I would say that the breeder should be the one footing the vet bills. |
You can certainly mention red flags on websites or serious health issues within a breeding program but I have seen breeders get blasted here by name for selling a dog that later had LP, I always want to ask...did you let the puppy play Superman and jump off everything? I am commenting on this statement b/c IMO it is un-called for. I happen to have 2 dogs with LP. I have done an ENORMOUS amount of research on LP. Just so you know - DOGS ARE NOT BORN WITH LUXATING PATELLA - That's why SO MANY BREEDERS get AWAY with saying LP is not 'classified' as hereditary!!!! Got news for you - Luxating Patella is hereditary - Dogs that start to have their Patella's Luxate with the first 8 months of life have it b/c it is in their genes. That means the dogs 'bone structure make up' will allow the patella to start to luxate at some point! Sure, can Patella Luxate due to injury? Yes they can also Luxate from injury, which happens to most BIG DOGS. Small dogs like Yorkies - Luxating Patella is Hereditary and MOST Ortho Specialist will tell you so as well as an ENOURMOUS amount of studies and research that is documented all over the place. Like I said - BREEDERS - get a FREE pass b/c (most) Dogs are not born with their patella's luxating :mad: ** Sorry I didn't mean to go off topic, it's just that remark about got me frustrated, yet again. |
As buyers we ARE responsible for doing our own research, but how can we if the facts aren't out there? The facts weren't out there about my breeder, so how was I to know if there were issues? I agree that there are two sides to every story and yes, someone should always have the opportunity to present their side of a dispute. However, if someone won't defend themselves, that can't keep you from expressing your honest opinions. I honestly feel that this posting and others like it are very important to all potential puppy buyers. How else are we to make informed decisions? |
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However, look at this thread, the posts, and the tone that it has taken. If Stacey DOES have a side to present (which is really no one's business but Michiko's) can anyone blame her for not being gung ho at presenting it at this point? I mean honestly, I think that even if she gave a perfectly understandable explanation at this point, what difference would it make? The damage has been done...and maybe rightfully so, I'm not to say. I just know that if I logged on and came accross 6 pages (in less than 24 hrs) of being drug through the mud, challenged and having had what 'might be the case' regarding my personal life thrown about, I probably wouldn't be so accomodating either. (Of course, even on a good day I wouldn't discuss my business affairs and personal life here, soooo...) I've come to hate it when situations like this are brought up, regardless of who is right or wrong. It's generally a lose-lose situation for all sides.:( I realize maybe it's neccessary at times, it's just sad and unfortunate that these things happen at all. |
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Definately try contacting the AKC and any other outlets you can think of. I hope it all works out for you. |
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Yes I paid for her and I'm not even asking her to give me my money back. I didn't pay much for her but after surgery cost and what I paid for her she's going to be a 3,000 pup. |
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Timmy, I hope you baby gets better soon and is better than every after surgery. I am sure she is worth it 100% and I know that is alot of money to spend. Good luck. |
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I don't think anyone of the people that posted on this thread said anything 'hurtful' towards Stacy. I think they were all as honest and courteous as possible. And I am sure that they did not even post the 'whole' story. I applaud those that spoke and shared their experience. I am so sorry that you are all going through your own frustrating experience with this particular breeder. I don't think it is fare for anyone to make you feel that you did something wrong by posting. Stacy, as well as other breeders use this site to their advantage, so you have every right to post your experiences with her or any other breeder. Stacy may have issues in her personal life, but those issue don't excuse and they actually have NOTHING to do with "BUSINESS". B/c that's what this all comes down to... The fact is: This was a Business Transaction, first and foremost - Money was exchanged for something (Yorkie) in return. |
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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I totally agree with you 100%..this was a business deal and had this been anyone else they would feel the same way...5 months is plently of time, more than enough time...too much time!! I sell on ebay..it is my responsibility to get buyers their items in a timely manner...its only fair!! I would expect the same from someone I am buying from. Yes things DO come up and a friendly explanation is all that it would take for me to understand a hold up...but being ignored...no way!! Dawn |
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