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Hannah · 06-05-2005, 08:28 AM

To update my thread on shipping, please read this article from TODAY'S New York Times!

http://www.rednova.com/news/science/...et_casualties/

mojo · 06-05-2005, 09:48 AM

You have to be a member to read it. Can you just explain it for us? Thank you.

Hannah · 06-05-2005, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mojo

You have to be a member to read it. Can you just explain it for us? Thank you.

Try this:

http://www.rednova.com/news/science/...et_casualties/

chachi · 06-05-2005, 10:10 AM

Thats a good read. One time I read where a new owner had their puppy shipped and when it arrived the water bowl was frozen. You can only imagine how cold it was for the poor puppy. I think shipping is fine but more care should be taken by the airlines.

mojo · 06-05-2005, 11:14 AM

I have had both my puppies shipped to me. I was considering shipping when I breed, but that really makes you think!

MeganS · 06-05-2005, 05:20 PM

OOOOOOOOOOOh that's so sad about the kitty. I think i would be very mad at the people becuase the cat could fit it was just the cage. It's soooo sad thanks for sharing it.

eensor · 06-06-2005, 05:21 AM

Normally, I wouldn't line a bird cage with the New York Times...but that was a really good article!ThanKs for sharing that with us!

Sydney'sMom · 06-06-2005, 09:09 AM

Erg! I really want to read it but every time I open the link it crashes my computer!

fasteddie · 06-06-2005, 09:23 PM

Here's the full article, thanks for sharing Hannah!
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WASHINGTON -- Plenty of vacation guides list camps that allow dogs or rank pet-friendly hotels, but until now there's been no way to know which airlines are safest for four-legged travelers.

That's about to change. Starting June 15, airlines must report how many pets are killed, lost or injured on their flights.

The government estimates 2 million animals fly commercially every year. Many airlines allow small pets to travel in portable kennels under seats, where the owners are responsible for their safety. Larger pets travel in cargo holds, where they can be exposed to extreme heat or cold and loud noises from plane engines.

Nobody knows how many pets are killed or injured. Lisa Weisberg, spokeswoman for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, suggested 1 percent, which would mean 20,000 animals per year. The airlines say that's far too high.

But no one disputes that accidents do happen.

When Sarah Stano's husband was transferred from Portland, Ore., to Greensboro, N.C., she chose Delta Airlines to fly them there because it was the only carrier that would let her carry her three cats in the cabin.

But at the airport she discovered one of the containers was too big to fit under the seat. Hereford, a fluffy white cat with black spots, had to go in the cargo hold.

"I'll never forget the look he gave me when they took him away," Stano said.

When Stano and her two children arrived late at night in Greensboro, they found out Hereford had died from either cold or lack of cabin pressure. "We were really kind of devastated about the whole thing," Stano said.

Stano sued Delta and reached an undisclosed settlement.

Delta spokeswoman Benet Wilson said the airline does its best to accommodate pets but doesn't comment on individual cases.

Weisberg's organization pushed Congress to pass the law requiring the airlines to report animal casualties. Supporters wanted it to cover animals shipped to zoos and those used for research and breeding, as well as household pets, and to require that cargo holds be temperature-controlled.

Airlines fought the effort, and lawmakers ended up approving a rule that requires tallying injuries and deaths of household pets.

Jack Evans, spokesman for the Air Transport Association, said the requirement could produce misleading information because the data will not include a casualty rate. An airline that carries many pets may appear to have a worse record than an airline that carries far fewer because it will have a higher number of injuries and deaths, said Evans, whose organization represents major airlines.

David Stempler, president of the Airline Travelers Association, said the new requirement may make some airlines reluctant to carry animals.

"Be careful what you wish for," Stempler said. "Some carriers might do what Southwest does, which is not carry pets at all."

Southwest spokeswoman Edna Ruano said the airline can't guarantee that animals would be comfortable and safe because it doesn't have extra staff to take care of them between flights. Like most airlines, Southwest does allow seeing-eye dogs and other service animals in the cabin.

United Air Lines transports all types of animals, from household pets to silverback gorillas and beluga whales. It even has awarded extra frequent flier miles to people who bring their pets with them.

"A lot of our customers enjoy traveling with their pets," said United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski. As more hotel chains offer perks like pet massages and dog walkers, more people are bringing their animal companions along on trips, she said.

Tips For Taking Your Pet on the Plane

• Check with your airline first before bringing your pet to the airport.

• Many airlines allow small pets to be carried in the passenger cabin, but make sure your kennel fits under the seat.

• Before your trip, take your pet to the veterinarian for a checkup and make sure vaccinations are up-to-date. Do not give your pet tranquilizers unless prescribed by a veterinarian.

• Don't feed your pet four to six hours before departure.

• Make sure your pet is wearing a collar and an ID tag with destination information in case he escapes.

• Book a direct flight and take the same flight as your pet. Avoid travel during busy travel times; your pet is more likely to be roughly handled then.

• Don't ship pug-nosed animals such as Pekingese or bulldogs in cargo holds because their short nasal passages make them vulnerable to oxygen deprivation and heat stroke.

• Buy a shipping crate that's approved by the Agriculture Department and large enough for your pet to stand, sit and change position comfortably.

• Write "Live Animal" in big letters on the side and top of the crate. Draw arrows to show the upright position. On top of the crate, write the name, address and telephone number of the pet's destination, and who is picking up the animal.

• Tape a photograph of the pet on top of the crate in case it escapes.

• Line the crate bottom with bedding to absorb the impact from an accident.

• Freeze your pet's water so it won't spill during loading but will melt by the time the pet is thirsty. Tape a small pouch, preferably of cloth, of dried food outside the crate.

http://www.rednova.com/news/science/...et_casualties/

LvMyYorki · 06-06-2005, 09:39 PM

Thank you for posting the whole article. It definitley has some great tips! Like I posted before both of mine were flown from TX to NC but I drove to a bigger airport so that it was a direct flight with no stops or layovers and made sure the flights arrived in the early weekday afternoon when the airports are so busy. I had no problems both Tino & Bunny popped right out of the crate and started giving kisses!

lovefor3yorkies · 06-07-2005, 04:33 AM

Airlines won't ship in extreme tempetatures. When you HEAR about puppy shipping woes, take them to a hill of beans. People lie. My puppy was flown to SC from TX and arrived wagging his tail and in the arms of the flight attendant. She said he was her favorite. Forzen water? They must not know about the resrtictions the airlines have these days. It's easy to lie when you don't know about regualtions.

Hannah · 06-07-2005, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovefor3yorkies

Airlines won't ship in extreme tempetatures. When you HEAR about puppy shipping woes, take them to a hill of beans. People lie. My puppy was flown to SC from TX and arrived wagging his tail and in the arms of the flight attendant. She said he was her favorite. Forzen water? They must not know about the resrtictions the airlines have these days. It's easy to lie when you don't know about regualtions.

I am glad you had a positive experience, obviously not all pets are killed or injured during the course of their flight. However don't assume that just because your pets survived the flight that ALL do! I don't know why you would accuse people of lying about this, it is important for pet owners do be aware of what risks are involved and whether the risks are worth taking. In my own opinion, the risk is not worth taking and I would only get a puppy if it could be flown under the seat with me or my spouse or I would drive.

red98vett · 06-07-2005, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hannah

I am glad you had a positive experience, obviously not all pets are killed or injured during the course of their flight. However don't assume that just because your pets survived the flight that ALL do! I don't know why you would accuse people of lying about this, it is important for pet owners do be aware of what risks are involved and whether the risks are worth taking. In my own opinion, the risk is not worth taking and I would only get a puppy if it could be flown under the seat with me or my spouse or I would drive.

I agree - if you read the statistics - it says 1% are killed of 20 mil...meaning 20,000 ? that's ALOT !

LvMyYorki · 06-07-2005, 05:35 AM

I think the best thing to do is speak from our personal experience on this one ladies.... I personally have had a wonderful experience with my pups being shipped, I took every precaution though...starting with buying from a repsected and responsible breeder so I knew the pup would be healthy, it was being flown upon 12 weeks of age and NOT before...... These are two crucial factors that we need to consider when speaking about "shipping puppies." There are many irresponsible breeders and puppy mills that sell over the internet that may be flying dogs that are sick, too young to leave their mothers, too small.... yes, I know they have to receive a health cert. before they fly, but when the almighty dollar comes into play, there is always someone willing to compromise their ethics.

I am just saying that I agree with Villette that 1% is way too many, but it may not ALL be the airlines fault as we all know how many unsrupulous breeders there are out there that are willing to ship pups that should not be sent! It is key that we try to ensure that the puppy is flown in on a direct flight even if it means that we have to drive to a larger airport or request that the breeder do so! The shortest flight possible is obviously the best! I have heard horror stories of brazilian puppy mills sending puppies that are well under 12 weeks and under two pounds!!! There are some puppy brokers that are getting their puppies from them bc its cheaper!!! Just another thing to think about.... I am NOT trying to defend the airlines, I am just saying that the pups chances are not in its favor from the start if you are buying from a breeder that would ship a pup that should not be shipped, unfortunately I'm sure that these puppies that die as a result of not being cared for properly before they got on the plane are included in the statistics/ 1% since they would be in the care of the airline when they passed.

Marie · 06-07-2005, 05:49 AM

Great Read. Thank you so much for posting the article.

06-05-2005, 08:28 AM	#1
Hannah YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 310	UPDATE! Puppy Shipping! To update my thread on shipping, please read this article from TODAY'S New York Times! http://www.rednova.com/news/science/...et_casualties/ __________________ Hannah's Jackson http://www.dogster.com/?101668 Last edited by Hannah; 06-05-2005 at 09:52 AM. Reason: Bad link

06-05-2005, 10:10 AM	#4
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Thats a good read. One time I read where a new owner had their puppy shipped and when it arrived the water bowl was frozen. You can only imagine how cold it was for the poor puppy. I think shipping is fine but more care should be taken by the airlines. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

06-06-2005, 05:21 AM	#7
eensor YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Effingham, Illinois Posts: 2,535	Normally, I wouldn't line a bird cage with the New York Times...but that was a really good article!ThanKs for sharing that with us! __________________ I'd rather be in Mexico!

06-06-2005, 09:09 AM	#8
Sydney'sMom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Erie, PA Posts: 517	Erg! I really want to read it but every time I open the link it crashes my computer! __________________ Holly & Sydney visit me on Dogster: http://www.dogster.com/?160307

06-06-2005, 09:23 PM	#9
fasteddie *YT 6000 Club Member* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,238	Here's the full article, thanks for sharing Hannah! --- WASHINGTON -- Plenty of vacation guides list camps that allow dogs or rank pet-friendly hotels, but until now there's been no way to know which airlines are safest for four-legged travelers. That's about to change. Starting June 15, airlines must report how many pets are killed, lost or injured on their flights. The government estimates 2 million animals fly commercially every year. Many airlines allow small pets to travel in portable kennels under seats, where the owners are responsible for their safety. Larger pets travel in cargo holds, where they can be exposed to extreme heat or cold and loud noises from plane engines. Nobody knows how many pets are killed or injured. Lisa Weisberg, spokeswoman for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, suggested 1 percent, which would mean 20,000 animals per year. The airlines say that's far too high. But no one disputes that accidents do happen. When Sarah Stano's husband was transferred from Portland, Ore., to Greensboro, N.C., she chose Delta Airlines to fly them there because it was the only carrier that would let her carry her three cats in the cabin. But at the airport she discovered one of the containers was too big to fit under the seat. Hereford, a fluffy white cat with black spots, had to go in the cargo hold. "I'll never forget the look he gave me when they took him away," Stano said. When Stano and her two children arrived late at night in Greensboro, they found out Hereford had died from either cold or lack of cabin pressure. "We were really kind of devastated about the whole thing," Stano said. Stano sued Delta and reached an undisclosed settlement. Delta spokeswoman Benet Wilson said the airline does its best to accommodate pets but doesn't comment on individual cases. Weisberg's organization pushed Congress to pass the law requiring the airlines to report animal casualties. Supporters wanted it to cover animals shipped to zoos and those used for research and breeding, as well as household pets, and to require that cargo holds be temperature-controlled. Airlines fought the effort, and lawmakers ended up approving a rule that requires tallying injuries and deaths of household pets. Jack Evans, spokesman for the Air Transport Association, said the requirement could produce misleading information because the data will not include a casualty rate. An airline that carries many pets may appear to have a worse record than an airline that carries far fewer because it will have a higher number of injuries and deaths, said Evans, whose organization represents major airlines. David Stempler, president of the Airline Travelers Association, said the new requirement may make some airlines reluctant to carry animals. "Be careful what you wish for," Stempler said. "Some carriers might do what Southwest does, which is not carry pets at all." Southwest spokeswoman Edna Ruano said the airline can't guarantee that animals would be comfortable and safe because it doesn't have extra staff to take care of them between flights. Like most airlines, Southwest does allow seeing-eye dogs and other service animals in the cabin. United Air Lines transports all types of animals, from household pets to silverback gorillas and beluga whales. It even has awarded extra frequent flier miles to people who bring their pets with them. "A lot of our customers enjoy traveling with their pets," said United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski. As more hotel chains offer perks like pet massages and dog walkers, more people are bringing their animal companions along on trips, she said. Tips For Taking Your Pet on the Plane • Check with your airline first before bringing your pet to the airport. • Many airlines allow small pets to be carried in the passenger cabin, but make sure your kennel fits under the seat. • Before your trip, take your pet to the veterinarian for a checkup and make sure vaccinations are up-to-date. Do not give your pet tranquilizers unless prescribed by a veterinarian. • Don't feed your pet four to six hours before departure. • Make sure your pet is wearing a collar and an ID tag with destination information in case he escapes. • Book a direct flight and take the same flight as your pet. Avoid travel during busy travel times; your pet is more likely to be roughly handled then. • Don't ship pug-nosed animals such as Pekingese or bulldogs in cargo holds because their short nasal passages make them vulnerable to oxygen deprivation and heat stroke. • Buy a shipping crate that's approved by the Agriculture Department and large enough for your pet to stand, sit and change position comfortably. • Write "Live Animal" in big letters on the side and top of the crate. Draw arrows to show the upright position. On top of the crate, write the name, address and telephone number of the pet's destination, and who is picking up the animal. • Tape a photograph of the pet on top of the crate in case it escapes. • Line the crate bottom with bedding to absorb the impact from an accident. • Freeze your pet's water so it won't spill during loading but will melt by the time the pet is thirsty. Tape a small pouch, preferably of cloth, of dried food outside the crate. http://www.rednova.com/news/science/...et_casualties/ __________________ YODA & WINKY R ::: RIP Winky ::: RIP Yoda!

06-05-2005, 09:48 AM	#2
mojo Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there Posts: 2,693	You have to be a member to read it. Can you just explain it for us? Thank you.

06-05-2005, 11:14 AM	#5
mojo Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there Posts: 2,693	I have had both my puppies shipped to me. I was considering shipping when I breed, but that really makes you think!

06-05-2005, 05:20 PM	#6
MeganS Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,016 Blog Entries: 1	OOOOOOOOOOOh that's so sad about the kitty. I think i would be very mad at the people becuase the cat could fit it was just the cage. It's soooo sad thanks for sharing it.

06-06-2005, 09:39 PM	#10
LvMyYorki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 1,181	Thank you for posting the whole article. It definitley has some great tips! Like I posted before both of mine were flown from TX to NC but I drove to a bigger airport so that it was a direct flight with no stops or layovers and made sure the flights arrived in the early weekday afternoon when the airports are so busy. I had no problems both Tino & Bunny popped right out of the crate and started giving kisses! __________________ Tara, Tino & Diva Bunny Diva Bunny: http://www.dogster.com/?141104 Rudolph Valentino: http://www.dogster.com/?76963

06-07-2005, 04:33 AM	#11
lovefor3yorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Graniteville, SC Posts: 206	Airlines won't ship in extreme tempetatures. When you HEAR about puppy shipping woes, take them to a hill of beans. People lie. My puppy was flown to SC from TX and arrived wagging his tail and in the arms of the flight attendant. She said he was her favorite. Forzen water? They must not know about the resrtictions the airlines have these days. It's easy to lie when you don't know about regualtions.

06-07-2005, 05:35 AM	#14
LvMyYorki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 1,181	I think the best thing to do is speak from our personal experience on this one ladies.... I personally have had a wonderful experience with my pups being shipped, I took every precaution though...starting with buying from a repsected and responsible breeder so I knew the pup would be healthy, it was being flown upon 12 weeks of age and NOT before...... These are two crucial factors that we need to consider when speaking about "shipping puppies." There are many irresponsible breeders and puppy mills that sell over the internet that may be flying dogs that are sick, too young to leave their mothers, too small.... yes, I know they have to receive a health cert. before they fly, but when the almighty dollar comes into play, there is always someone willing to compromise their ethics. I am just saying that I agree with Villette that 1% is way too many, but it may not ALL be the airlines fault as we all know how many unsrupulous breeders there are out there that are willing to ship pups that should not be sent! It is key that we try to ensure that the puppy is flown in on a direct flight even if it means that we have to drive to a larger airport or request that the breeder do so! The shortest flight possible is obviously the best! I have heard horror stories of brazilian puppy mills sending puppies that are well under 12 weeks and under two pounds!!! There are some puppy brokers that are getting their puppies from them bc its cheaper!!! Just another thing to think about.... I am NOT trying to defend the airlines, I am just saying that the pups chances are not in its favor from the start if you are buying from a breeder that would ship a pup that should not be shipped, unfortunately I'm sure that these puppies that die as a result of not being cared for properly before they got on the plane are included in the statistics/ 1% since they would be in the care of the airline when they passed. __________________ Tara, Tino & Diva Bunny Diva Bunny: http://www.dogster.com/?141104 Rudolph Valentino: http://www.dogster.com/?76963 Last edited by LvMyYorki; 06-07-2005 at 05:42 AM.

06-07-2005, 05:49 AM	#15
Marie Mom loves Gucci Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 6,427	Great Read. Thank you so much for posting the article. __________________ Huggies, Gucci and Marie http://www.dogster.com/?132187 "I have been egged"