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tegamom1 · 02-01-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sparklinstars

hello,

I was told about this site and simply had to check it out for myself... I say this because they are in NO way running a puppy mill over there. I have frequented many kennels and I can quite honestly say that the kennels there are impecable and state of the art. They maintain high standards regarding cages and care of the dogs. They are well cared for, well fed and I have never witnessed abuse or seen any signs of sick dogs when I was there ever. When I did go there, I had to wear protective clothing and be basically sterilized before I could enter the kennel due to the fact that they quarantine animals there for shipments overseas etc. That is the REAL reason that the public is not allowed in the kennels. As with any living being, dogs do get sick just as kids do. The kennel does not intentionally sell sick animals. It would serve NO purpsose for them to do so as the kennel is their "business". The vaccinations are up to date and clearly stated on each kennel etc. I do understand that they could sell thousands of good puppies and that the only story you are looking for is the selling of the bad ones, somehow though, that seems like unfair reporting, almost more of smear campaign waged and started by people who may have "other" motives against Mr. Moore. It does appear that the people on this site have much time on their hands. IF animal rights are so important to them, I urge them to do some research and visit a "real" puppy mill to see the conditions etc. I am not saying I agree with puppies being sold that end up sick etc. I am saying that the families that have been made "complete" and happy from buying puppies to add to their famies is far greater than any unhappy ones. On one of my visits, the Houston SPCA was there for a surprise inspection. They found NO faults, NO sick dogs, NO problems at all and were quite impressed with the facilities and the care of the dogs. This is all documented with them, please be sure to check with them regarding their visits. I know people who have gotten pups from them and have been very happy and have been repeat customers. This whole story is a huge concern due to the fact that the recent lawsuit brought on by another "dog breeder" has caused bad blood and the vendetta rages on today. I guess that breeder is using this forum to get yet another day in the spotlight so to speak. I would hope that her records will also be checked and that the story will also point out her "questionable" puppy selling tactics. In closing, the staff at Brushy Creek doesn't find any joy in learning of a sick puppy or dog. I do know that their contract allows for replacement of a dog within a certain amount of time. I also know that they have on many occasions taken dogs back from people who just didn't work out for that family. The overall health and happiness of each and EVERY dog is important and that is bottom line. Again, I am shocked to read the constant bashing that seems to be repeated and repeated by the SAME people on this site. Same stuff, different wording etc.

Just curious.. What do you do that makes you visit kennels frequently? Orlando is a long distance from Houston but it sounds as if you spend a lot of time there. Are you involved with dogs, llamas, hunting..? What is your connection to Bushy Creek? I'm just interested as I sure others are to.

cj125 · 02-01-2007, 04:54 PM

[quote=sparklinstars;925742]hello,

I do understand that they could sell thousands of good puppies and that the only story you are looking for is the selling of the bad ones, somehow though, that seems like unfair reporting, almost more of smear campaign waged and started by people who may have "other" motives against Mr. Moore. It does appear that the people on this site have much time on their hands.

This whole story is a huge concern due to the fact that the recent lawsuit brought on by another "dog breeder" has caused bad blood and the vendetta rages on today. I guess that breeder is using this forum to get yet another day in the spotlight so to speak. I would hope that her records will also be checked and that the story will also point out her "questionable" puppy selling tactics. In closing, the staff at Brushy Creek doesn't find any joy in learning of a sick puppy or dog.

The overall health and happiness of each and EVERY dog is important and that is bottom line. Again, I am shocked to read the constant bashing that seems to be repeated and repeated by the SAME people on this site. Same stuff, different wording etc.[/quote]

Funny how you have used the same exact wording ("same stuff")

Who has too much time on their hands? If there wasn't something to this story why the 2 day long posts on this thread and none prior?

Of course it's a big concern - you could loose your job if this place closes down!

Obviously this in NOT true or there wouldn't be all of the complaints filed.

Don't hold back now - who are you referring to?
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CO_yorkie_momma · 02-01-2007, 06:50 PM

Sparklinstars,
Welcome to YT and thanks for your insight on how you perceive this kennel. It is interesting how your take on the kennel is so different than everyone elses but at least you posted so we can begin to see both sides of the story. I am new here but have noticed these threads started in 2004 I believe and so far you are the first person to put in a good word for them so I am glad to have your opinion especially since you have spent so much time there and know them so well. Before you posted, did you take the time to read all of the posts on all of the different threads here so see why there are some people here that have been hurt by your associates? I dont know if the word associates is right because I am not sure why you have been there so many times and have alot of inside information about them so forgive me if I am wrong there. I personally dont know Brushy Creek Kennels or any of their other names they go by but when I read all of the heartbreaking stories here it makes me sad for all of the puppies and people that have had to endure what they have because they bought puppies from them. To me it wouldnt matter how state of the art the kennel was, if they are selling sick dogs and have been doing this for what seems like several years as far as I can see on these threads, then people are going to start putting their feet down and saying they arent going to take it anymore. Can you see these people have legitimate points and not the fact that they are out to smear anyone that doesnt deserve it. I am not sure who the breeder is you are referring to that has a lawsuit against them, I dont remember reading about it but maybe you can let us know who you refer to in your post. Once again thanks for your perosnal insight. I imagine David with Fox news would like to hear from someone who knows them personally and cant contact them so we get to hear their side of the story as well.

sparklinstars · 02-02-2007, 06:21 AM

lose my job? too funny as I DO NOT WORK FOR THE KENNEL!! Why is it that you ASSUME that when someone sticks up for the kennel that they must be affiliated with it? That is far too small of a "box" to live in..........I am in no way affiliated, do not work for or any of the sort.

sparklinstars · 02-02-2007, 06:23 AM

by the way, the only hunting I do is in the meat department at the grocery store and if being affiliated with llamas means seeing them at a zoo.......I'm guilty........

lisatodd · 02-02-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sparklinstars

lose my job? too funny as I DO NOT WORK FOR THE KENNEL!! Why is it that you ASSUME that when someone sticks up for the kennel that they must be affiliated with it? That is far too small of a "box" to live in..........I am in no way affiliated, do not work for or any of the sort.

i believe the question was "why did you visit the kennel? how were you able to get inside when no one can? why do you see kennels all the time? you are in fl and this kennel is in tx?
these are the questions they want to know.

midnightmist · 02-02-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd

i believe the question was "why did you visit the kennel? how were you able to get inside when no one can? why do you see kennels all the time? you are in fl and this kennel is in tx?
these are the questions they want to know.

This is what I was wondering about

lisatodd · 02-02-2007, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

Just curious.. What do you do that makes you visit kennels frequently? Orlando is a long distance from Houston but it sounds as if you spend a lot of time there. Are you involved with dogs, llamas, hunting..? What is your connection to Bushy Creek? I'm just interested as I sure others are to.

here are the questions you didn't answer

sparklinstars · 02-02-2007, 06:45 AM

Of course it's a big concern - you could loose your job if this place closes down!

The above phrase was was what I was referring to.....

I am a sales rep for a dog supply company and travel all around. That is why I say that some of these people need to really visit a "puppy mill" to understand what one really is as Brushy Creek is NOT one. Not only does Mr. Moore always try to stay on top of the best products on the market to care for the animals, but he also sends his staff to seminars, training etc. to keep them on top of the newest technology in the industry. I have met the staff and know first hand that when a dog/pup does become sick, they do everything possible to treat and care for that animal. As I said before, it would serve NO purpsose for them to intentionally sell sick animals. Repeat customers and word of mouth are the backbones of most small business in this country. Again, I do NOT agree with selling sick animals. I do feel horrible for anyone who has ever had the nightmare of dealing with a sick animal and the problems it can cause for a family etc. What I am saying is that these posts are mostly from people who have never seen the kennels and have a nasty, ugly picture in their minds as to what it looks like. I even see where people question why there is a wooden privacy fence. Simply said, not only is the Kennel a business, but a FAMILY lives there.... and when you have small kids and the kind of foot traffic that occurs when selling puppies on a weekend etc. a fence for privacy is important for the downtime when your family is trying to simply be that. A family. My back yard has a wooden privacy fence, does that make me "suspicious?" Enough said.

JiggityJig · 02-02-2007, 06:49 AM

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This whole story is a huge concern due to the fact that the recent lawsuit brought on by another "dog breeder" has caused bad blood and the vendetta rages on today.

Okay, I'll bite. What's this about?

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I guess that breeder is using this forum to get yet another day in the spotlight so to speak. I would hope that her records will also be checked and that the story will also point out her "questionable" puppy selling tactics.

Interesting. I really wasn't suspicious of Dobiedude or whatever his name was, but THIS post sounds like it comes DIRECTLY from Brushy Creek Kennels, or someone related to them. And since Dobiedude also accused V of being a "jealous competitor", this is all starting to look very fishy.

sparklinstars · 02-02-2007, 06:55 AM

I don't know who V is, but the lawsuit I am referring to is with Ms. Lisa Bushman (Mallory)....

NOTHING fishy here. What I do know is that the lawsuit involved dogs and got ugly as it was between 2 breeders. Ms. Bushman used to sell dogs for Mr. Moore and that is where the vendetta lies as she no longer can get dogs from him.

So, unless V is Ms. Bushman, I don't know really what you are talking about.... if they are the same person, excuse my error.

I was told to go on this site by another kennel in Orlando and was shocked when I read all the posts and that is why I felt compelled to post. Now, after posting, I have become 1. an employee 2. a hunter 3. a llama lover and 4. untruthful.

Unreal........

JiggityJig · 02-02-2007, 06:55 AM

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That is why I say that some of these people need to really visit a "puppy mill" to understand what one really is as Brushy Creek is NOT one.

If what you're saying is true, then it sounds like Brushy Creek has a setup like Jeff Dane.

I do know what you're saying that there are WAY more horrible mills out there, however, let's say the environment is spotless, properly heated and cooled, etc. That doesn't mean it's NOT still a puppy mill (defined by the large numbers of dogs it cranks out), or that the dogs are receiving adequate stimulation or socialization.

Just because it passes all inspections and can't be touched by law means NOTHING. Our laws are decades and decades behind the times in this area.

sparklinstars · 02-02-2007, 07:05 AM

I agree with the laws being behind the times.. I can tell you that the kennel is on many, many acres and the dogs that are breeder dogs interact with people (staff) constantly. The runs they have are huge and they are in no way in cramped quarters. They are treated as pets, not puppy machines. The pups are socialized as soon as they are old enough and enjoy much attention. Someone posted that the lady who works there has 100 dogs in her house.......Untrue, but in reality, she does bring dogs in on a rotating basis to help start the potty training process to help families out. A job I wouldn't do for any amount of money!!!

I understand completely that the laws need reform. I also understand that the thought of dogs being kept in cages to simply have pups is not a warm and fuzzy thought. Knowing though that they have much care and running time etc. and that they only keep the breeders for 3 litters and then sell them as pets is a comfort. I can say that I would rather walk into Brush Creek Kennels and see puppies playing and know that they will be going to a family than walk into a chicken coop or cattle barn and know that those animals will end up on the table.

I am not here for controversy.... I just wanted to share some insight.

JiggityJig · 02-02-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sparklinstars

I am not here for controversy.... I just wanted to share some insight.

And that is appreciated.

From your perspective, are you able at all to address the fact that SO many people seem to have had the same experience of NOT receiving the same dog that they were shown pictures of?

Timmy · 02-02-2007, 07:16 AM

Wow for being a sales rep you know alot about this place. Do you visit them daily?

02-01-2007, 04:54 PM	#242
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	[quote=sparklinstars;925742]hello, I do understand that they could sell thousands of good puppies and that the only story you are looking for is the selling of the bad ones, somehow though, that seems like unfair reporting, almost more of *smear campaign* waged and started by people who may have "other" motives against Mr. Moore. It does appear that the people on this site have much time on their hands. *This whole story is a huge concern* due to the fact that the recent lawsuit brought on by *another "dog breeder"* has caused bad blood and the vendetta rages on today. I guess that breeder is using this forum to get yet another day in the spotlight so to speak. I would hope that her records will also be checked and that the story will also point out her "questionable" puppy selling tactics. In closing, *the staff at Brushy Creek* doesn't find any joy in learning of a sick puppy or dog. *The overall health and happiness of each and EVERY dog is important* and that is bottom line. Again, I am shocked to read the constant bashing that seems to be repeated and repeated by the SAME people on this site. Same stuff, different wording etc.[/quote] Funny how you have used the same exact wording ("same stuff") Who has too much time on their hands? If there wasn't something to this story why the 2 day long posts on this thread and none prior? Of course it's a big concern - you could loose your job if this place closes down! Obviously this in NOT true or there wouldn't be all of the complaints filed. *Don't hold back now - who are you referring to?* </IMG> __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

02-01-2007, 06:50 PM	#243
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	Sparklinstars, Welcome to YT and thanks for your insight on how you perceive this kennel. It is interesting how your take on the kennel is so different than everyone elses but at least you posted so we can begin to see both sides of the story. I am new here but have noticed these threads started in 2004 I believe and so far you are the first person to put in a good word for them so I am glad to have your opinion especially since you have spent so much time there and know them so well. Before you posted, did you take the time to read all of the posts on all of the different threads here so see why there are some people here that have been hurt by your associates? I dont know if the word associates is right because I am not sure why you have been there so many times and have alot of inside information about them so forgive me if I am wrong there. I personally dont know Brushy Creek Kennels or any of their other names they go by but when I read all of the heartbreaking stories here it makes me sad for all of the puppies and people that have had to endure what they have because they bought puppies from them. To me it wouldnt matter how state of the art the kennel was, if they are selling sick dogs and have been doing this for what seems like several years as far as I can see on these threads, then people are going to start putting their feet down and saying they arent going to take it anymore. Can you see these people have legitimate points and not the fact that they are out to smear anyone that doesnt deserve it. I am not sure who the breeder is you are referring to that has a lawsuit against them, I dont remember reading about it but maybe you can let us know who you refer to in your post. Once again thanks for your perosnal insight. I imagine David with Fox news would like to hear from someone who knows them personally and cant contact them so we get to hear their side of the story as well.

02-02-2007, 06:21 AM	#244
sparklinstars YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: orlando Posts: 9	lose my job? too funny as I DO NOT WORK FOR THE KENNEL!! Why is it that you ASSUME that when someone sticks up for the kennel that they must be affiliated with it? That is far too small of a "box" to live in..........I am in no way affiliated, do not work for or any of the sort.

02-02-2007, 06:23 AM	#245
sparklinstars YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: orlando Posts: 9	by the way, the only hunting I do is in the meat department at the grocery store and if being affiliated with llamas means seeing them at a zoo.......I'm guilty........

02-02-2007, 06:45 AM	#249
sparklinstars YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: orlando Posts: 9	Of course it's a big concern - you could loose your job if this place closes down! The above phrase was was what I was referring to..... I am a sales rep for a dog supply company and travel all around. That is why I say that some of these people need to really visit a "puppy mill" to understand what one really is as Brushy Creek is NOT one. Not only does Mr. Moore always try to stay on top of the best products on the market to care for the animals, but he also sends his staff to seminars, training etc. to keep them on top of the newest technology in the industry. I have met the staff and know first hand that when a dog/pup does become sick, they do everything possible to treat and care for that animal. As I said before, it would serve NO purpsose for them to intentionally sell sick animals. Repeat customers and word of mouth are the backbones of most small business in this country. Again, I do NOT agree with selling sick animals. I do feel horrible for anyone who has ever had the nightmare of dealing with a sick animal and the problems it can cause for a family etc. What I am saying is that these posts are mostly from people who have never seen the kennels and have a nasty, ugly picture in their minds as to what it looks like. I even see where people question why there is a wooden privacy fence. Simply said, not only is the Kennel a business, but a FAMILY lives there.... and when you have small kids and the kind of foot traffic that occurs when selling puppies on a weekend etc. a fence for privacy is important for the downtime when your family is trying to simply be that. A family. My back yard has a wooden privacy fence, does that make me "suspicious?" Enough said.

02-02-2007, 06:55 AM	#251
sparklinstars YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: orlando Posts: 9	I don't know who V is, but the lawsuit I am referring to is with Ms. Lisa Bushman (Mallory).... NOTHING fishy here. What I do know is that the lawsuit involved dogs and got ugly as it was between 2 breeders. Ms. Bushman used to sell dogs for Mr. Moore and that is where the vendetta lies as she no longer can get dogs from him. So, unless V is Ms. Bushman, I don't know really what you are talking about.... if they are the same person, excuse my error. I was told to go on this site by another kennel in Orlando and was shocked when I read all the posts and that is why I felt compelled to post. Now, after posting, I have become 1. an employee 2. a hunter 3. a llama lover and 4. untruthful. Unreal........

02-02-2007, 07:05 AM	#253
sparklinstars YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: orlando Posts: 9	I agree with the laws being behind the times.. I can tell you that the kennel is on many, many acres and the dogs that are breeder dogs interact with people (staff) constantly. The runs they have are huge and they are in no way in cramped quarters. They are treated as pets, not puppy machines. The pups are socialized as soon as they are old enough and enjoy much attention. Someone posted that the lady who works there has 100 dogs in her house.......Untrue, but in reality, she does bring dogs in on a rotating basis to help start the potty training process to help families out. A job I wouldn't do for any amount of money!!! I understand completely that the laws need reform. I also understand that the thought of dogs being kept in cages to simply have pups is not a warm and fuzzy thought. Knowing though that they have much care and running time etc. and that they only keep the breeders for 3 litters and then sell them as pets is a comfort. I can say that I would rather walk into Brush Creek Kennels and see puppies playing and know that they will be going to a family than walk into a chicken coop or cattle barn and know that those animals will end up on the table. I am not here for controversy.... I just wanted to share some insight.

02-02-2007, 07:16 AM	#255
Timmy Mimi & Gabby too! Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vineland, NJ Posts: 3,208	Wow for being a sales rep you know alot about this place. Do you visit them daily?