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chachi · 12-19-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy22

I think you all are very nice people. Never wanted to start anything negative but that comment wasnt the first I ran into. Regardless I will try to ignore the bad I come across. Just so you know I dont support the the breeders producing the tiny ones for big bucks. I got my guy for next to nothing because he wasnt wanted because he was so small. Ironic I got him for under 300 and some would have paid big $$ I will try to get pictures of him on here soon and of my other one. Their names are Oliver and Jacob.

It sounds like you had a good breeder. Just enjoy your little one. I think they are precious

red98vett · 12-19-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy22

I truly hope you are right but I do hope you can see why others would take it wrong.

Try spending some time in SICK And Emergencies - It's hard to read the many posts by someone who bought a very tiny yorkie and come to find out they're having seizures or hypoglycemia and the worst - Liver Shunt. You'll also see alot of support by the same people you think are bashing....

There are yorkies of all sizes who get sick... but MANY emergency threads are about tiny ones - Sometimes it's only out of lack of knowlege that a dog is sick - other times it's genetic and totally the breeders fault.

I think lots of us get upset with all the so called breeders out there cashing in on the tiny craze... and that's why we're seeing so many sick puppies these days ... it's the dogs and the people who love them that suffer. But as long as the prices of yorkies are thru the roof - we're going to see even more sick yorkies.... and that's the biggest shame.

ytsirk27 · 12-19-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

Try spending some time in SICK And Emergencies - It's hard to read the many posts by someone who bought a very tiny yorkie and come to find out they're having seizures or hypoglycemia and the worst - Liver Shunt. You'll also see alot of support by the same people you think are bashing....

There are yorkies of all sizes who get sick... but MANY emergency threads are about tiny ones - Sometimes it's only out of lack of knowlege that a dog is sick - other times it's genetic and totally the breeders fault.

I think lots of us get upset with all the so called breeders out there cashing in on the tiny craze... and that's why we're seeing so many sick puppies these days ... it's the dogs and the people who love them that suffer. But as long as the prices of yorkies are thru the roof - we're going to see even more sick yorkies.... and that's the biggest shame.

mandy22 · 12-19-2006, 09:21 AM

When I got my first york I was told he was going to be standard size. I had to ask what that was. I just thought he was cute. Really didnt know much about the breed. After having him for a few years I learned about the breed and saw many being sold for $$$ and thought that was sad. By accident I came across my smaller york. Never even wanted another one but my heart went out to him and now I cant imagine him not being around. Both boys are healthy and happy. I hope you all enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

abbie's mom · 12-19-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RLC12345678

If you are going to get a small yorkie, do not patronize those breeders who breed teeny tinies to produce teeny tinies. Look for a breeder who breeds within the standard and happens to produce the smaller ones. There are lots of those breeders out there and those are the ones that produce the healthy tinies.

AMEN!

red98vett · 12-19-2006, 09:23 AM

I didn't mean to go off on a tangent

lol - but I personally know of a breeder selling puppies from a dog that is known to have seizures - and others I've seen breeding little 3 to 3-1/2 lb females and brag about it - and even someone who bred a TWO lb yorkie

and let's NOT mention the websites that scream Teacups for thousands and thousands of dollars ......those are the GREEDERS I'm talking about & those are the people who give the real breeders a bad name.

mandy22 · 12-19-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

I didn't mean to go off on a tangent

lol - but I personally know of a breeder selling puppies from a dog that is known to have seizures - and others I've seen breeding little 3 to 3-1/2 lb females and brag about it - and even someone who bred a TWO lb yorkie

and let's NOT mention the websites that scream Teacups for thousands and thousands of dollars ......those are the GREEDERS I'm talking about & those are the people who give the real breeders a bad name.

Oh I agree with you completely. I got my little boy so cheap because they didn't want him in the breeding program. The breeders use dogs that are only 4-7 pounds. They are against tiny yorks but do end up with them here and there. My friend actually bought my little boy first but he became too much for her and I bought him from her. She has a son thats only 6 and that wasnt the best dog to go with. She learned from her mistakes and was smart enough to find him a better home. That was my luck and she still gets to see him since we are good friends.

red98vett · 12-19-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy22

Oh I agree with you completely. I got my little boy so cheap because they didn't want him in the breeding program. The breeders use dogs that are only 4-7 pounds. They are against tiny yorks but do end up with them here and there. My friend actually bought my little boy first but he became too much for her and I bought him from her. She has a son thats only 6 and that wasnt the best dog to go with. She learned from her mistakes and was smart enough to find him a better home. That was my luck and she still gets to see him since we are good friends.

...Well - now you need to post pictures of him !

bdbmamaw · 12-19-2006, 10:37 AM

I breed yorkies and I like my pups to be over 4 lbs when grown. If I know they are going to be smaller (especially the females) I will sell them with a limited registration. (NOT TO BE BRED!) While you try to control the size of the pups, you do get some small ones. I usually don't sell to people whoes first question is "Are they going to be tiny?". That definitely sets warning bells off in my head. I talk with my buyers frequently from the time the pups are sold (usually 3-4 weeks old) until the time they actually go to their 'forever' homes (12 weeks old). So I get to know the new owner's really well. And many of us continue to stay in touch. I hope I never have a bad experience. (Note: one of my pups was so tiny I couldn't believe she was alive. But she surprised us all. I was honest with the person interested in her. I told her that the puppy was very tiny and would require more care and more visits than normal to the vet to insure she would not have any health problems and offered her another pup from a future litter. She thanked me for being honest with her and we decided to hold off all payments (including the deposit) till we knew how this sweet baby would do. She amazed both the vet and myself with how well she did (no health problems). And because I got to know the new owner so well through frequent phone calls with updates, I sold this pup to her for vet costs only because I knew she was going to a good, caring home... with someone who would not even think of breeding her. She also paid my airfare to hand deliver the pup as she could not get away long enough to drive down to me and we wanted to meet each other face to face.) So please know, that 'tiny' does not always mean 'money' to some of us. I want the best for my babies and I get REAL nosey when I interview anyone interested in one of my pups... LOL.

ytsirk27 · 12-19-2006, 10:41 AM

You sound like a very responsible breeder.

I want to say welcome also!!

JiggityJig · 12-19-2006, 10:55 AM

Ditto....where is Deer Park, Texas?! Do you have a website?!

I have a very tiny yorkie, and I have NEVER felt insulted by any of the comments here about them.

I think that we all see "warning bells" on all the "am looking for a small yorkie" threads. People who are SPECIFICALLY looking for "teacups" usually end up buying from BREEDERS who are specifically BREEDING for those tiny sizes, often without regard for other health issues, and yes, those dogs do often end up having physical issues.

I've heard that the "accidental" tinies that occur sometimes in litters are generally much more healthy than ones who were DELIBERATELY bred for. That is the case with my Mazie. She is less than three lbs., and has been incredibly healthy and robust, esp. considering the rough start she got in life.

HOWEVER....she was killed (and I do mean KILLED!) when a HAND CALCULATOR was dropped four inches, onto her head! It's a long story, with an ultimately happy ending, since we were able to do CPR and bring her back around....but it certainly was a reminder of HOW fragile the lives of these little ones are.

Welcome to YT....I hope you stay around and are able to notice that, while "too small" or "too big" often comes up in BREEDING discussions, when we are just talking about our beloved PETS, ALL sizes are adored and admired here.

Morkie4 · 12-19-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bdbmamaw

I breed yorkies and I like my pups to be over 4 lbs when grown. If I know they are going to be smaller (especially the females) I will sell them with a limited registration. (NOT TO BE BRED!) While you try to control the size of the pups, you do get some small ones. I usually don't sell to people whoes first question is "Are they going to be tiny?". That definitely sets warning bells off in my head. I talk with my buyers frequently from the time the pups are sold (usually 3-4 weeks old) until the time they actually go to their 'forever' homes (12 weeks old). So I get to know the new owner's really well. And many of us continue to stay in touch. I hope I never have a bad experience. (Note: one of my pups was so tiny I couldn't believe she was alive. But she surprised us all. I was honest with the person interested in her. I told her that the puppy was very tiny and would require more care and more visits than normal to the vet to insure she would not have any health problems and offered her another pup from a future litter. She thanked me for being honest with her and we decided to hold off all payments (including the deposit) till we knew how this sweet baby would do. She amazed both the vet and myself with how well she did (no health problems). And because I got to know the new owner so well through frequent phone calls with updates, I sold this pup to her for vet costs only because I knew she was going to a good, caring home... with someone who would not even think of breeding her. She also paid my airfare to hand deliver the pup as she could not get away long enough to drive down to me and we wanted to meet each other face to face.) So please know, that 'tiny' does not always mean 'money' to some of us. I want the best for my babies and I get REAL nosey when I interview anyone interested in one of my pups... LOL.

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Kaluiah · 12-19-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ytsirk27

actually theres alot of healthy 90 pound humans....lol

lol I'm one of them and pregnant at that..

BLowry · 12-20-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mandy22

Again not trying to start anything. I do consider someone saying all tiny yorks are unhealthy as a form of bashing. Some people on here have dogs that are very small. My one is 3 pounds and when I read a comment like that I am offended. My boy is healthy and that isn't something I enjoyed reading. The person that made the comment doesnt know every tiny york in the world so why make a comment like that? I do find the comment offensive and I think any person with a smaller york would agree.

I don't have any idea what post you are talking about but, I have NEVER read a post on here saying tiny yorkies are unhealthy! and even if they did I wouldn't consider it bashing...this is a forum with many members..you are going to get all kinds of responses and opinions and we ALL give our opinions...I have read people having unhealthy tinies as well as standard size yorkies...I personally wouldn't want a dog that small...I have 2...Sadie is 6 lbs and Lillie is 4 and I am constantly looking down when I walk..6 lbs may be bigger than 3 lbs but it is still a small dog..

You can't take everything personal that is said on here...

with that said...Welcome to YT...

second wind · 12-20-2006, 06:47 PM

When we got Heidi we did not know how big she would be and as it turned out she is 3.5 lbs and is almost 5 years old and is very healthy with no serious problems. I think a lot of the things that bring people to refer to smaller yorkies as unhealthy are certain breeders than advertise tea cup yorkies as a selling feature and specifically try and breed them to enhance the smaller size of yorkie, when in fact there is no such thing as a tea cup yorkie and some of these yorkies that are bred to be smaller reflect health problems more readily. They come in all weights shapes and sizes when bred under normal conditions.

MY 2 cents SW

12-19-2006, 09:23 AM	#36
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I didn't mean to go off on a tangent lol - but I personally know of a breeder selling puppies from a dog that is known to have seizures - and others I've seen breeding little 3 to 3-1/2 lb females and brag about it - and even someone who bred a TWO lb yorkie and let's NOT mention the websites that scream Teacups for thousands and thousands of dollars ......those are the GREEDERS I'm talking about & those are the people who give the real breeders a bad name. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-19-2006, 10:55 AM	#41
JiggityJig YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,226	Ditto....where is Deer Park, Texas?! Do you have a website?! I have a very tiny yorkie, and I have NEVER felt insulted by any of the comments here about them. I think that we all see "warning bells" on all the "am looking for a small yorkie" threads. People who are SPECIFICALLY looking for "teacups" usually end up buying from BREEDERS who are specifically BREEDING for those tiny sizes, often without regard for other health issues, and yes, those dogs do often end up having physical issues. I've heard that the "accidental" tinies that occur sometimes in litters are generally much more healthy than ones who were DELIBERATELY bred for. That is the case with my Mazie. She is less than three lbs., and has been incredibly healthy and robust, esp. considering the rough start she got in life. HOWEVER....she was killed (and I do mean KILLED!) when a HAND CALCULATOR was dropped four inches, onto her head! It's a long story, with an ultimately happy ending, since we were able to do CPR and bring her back around....but it certainly was a reminder of HOW fragile the lives of these little ones are. Welcome to YT....I hope you stay around and are able to notice that, while "too small" or "too big" often comes up in BREEDING discussions, when we are just talking about our beloved PETS, ALL sizes are adored and admired here. __________________ OUR HEARTS KIKI MAZIE JIMBOB ELFIE OUR JOYS

12-20-2006, 06:47 PM	#45
second wind Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 96	When we got Heidi we did not know how big she would be and as it turned out she is 3.5 lbs and is almost 5 years old and is very healthy with no serious problems. I think a lot of the things that bring people to refer to smaller yorkies as unhealthy are certain breeders than advertise tea cup yorkies as a selling feature and specifically try and breed them to enhance the smaller size of yorkie, when in fact there is no such thing as a tea cup yorkie and some of these yorkies that are bred to be smaller reflect health problems more readily. They come in all weights shapes and sizes when bred under normal conditions. MY 2 cents SW __________________ Heidi

12-19-2006, 09:21 AM	#34
mandy22 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 10	When I got my first york I was told he was going to be standard size. I had to ask what that was. I just thought he was cute. Really didnt know much about the breed. After having him for a few years I learned about the breed and saw many being sold for $$$ and thought that was sad. By accident I came across my smaller york. Never even wanted another one but my heart went out to him and now I cant imagine him not being around. Both boys are healthy and happy. I hope you all enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

12-19-2006, 10:37 AM	#39
bdbmamaw Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 883	I breed yorkies and I like my pups to be over 4 lbs when grown. If I know they are going to be smaller (especially the females) I will sell them with a limited registration. (NOT TO BE BRED!) While you try to control the size of the pups, you do get some small ones. I usually don't sell to people whoes first question is "Are they going to be tiny?". That definitely sets warning bells off in my head. I talk with my buyers frequently from the time the pups are sold (usually 3-4 weeks old) until the time they actually go to their 'forever' homes (12 weeks old). So I get to know the new owner's really well. And many of us continue to stay in touch. I hope I never have a bad experience. (Note: one of my pups was so tiny I couldn't believe she was alive. But she surprised us all. I was honest with the person interested in her. I told her that the puppy was very tiny and would require more care and more visits than normal to the vet to insure she would not have any health problems and offered her another pup from a future litter. She thanked me for being honest with her and we decided to hold off all payments (including the deposit) till we knew how this sweet baby would do. She amazed both the vet and myself with how well she did (no health problems). And because I got to know the new owner so well through frequent phone calls with updates, I sold this pup to her for vet costs only because I knew she was going to a good, caring home... with someone who would not even think of breeding her. She also paid my airfare to hand deliver the pup as she could not get away long enough to drive down to me and we wanted to meet each other face to face.) So please know, that 'tiny' does not always mean 'money' to some of us. I want the best for my babies and I get REAL nosey when I interview anyone interested in one of my pups... LOL.

12-19-2006, 10:41 AM	#40
ytsirk27 BANNED FOR SCAMMING MEMBERS! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,811	You sound like a very responsible breeder. I want to say welcome also!!