Red legged Yorkie? Siu Pao?

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Smidge

Thank you for that Butterfly. I too have researched and talked to the best breeders around and I agree with you.

Can I ask where you live SMIDGE ?? I'd love to hear about the BEST breeders around....

are you in California by any chance ?

[BamaFan121s]

Your little one is a cutie, that's for sure. You will find that every time this term is mentioned, you will get answers...no, you will get OPINIONS...from every end of the spectrum. Who are you going to believe. "Respected" breeder #1 who says one thing, or "respected" breeder #2 who says another. Generally heated and rash, as you can tell. And sadly, generally it has NOTHING to do with the question originally asked, like yours in this case.

Just know that your little one is a doll, as are all Yorkies and you are bound for a life of love in return from her. What more could you ever want in life...cept maybe cheesecake...

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I see you're getting all sorts of answers & saw this isn't about 'breeding' ...but I have an idea why it went in that direction.......so I'll add my 2 cents -

your yorkie is so young - I think you can wait before coming to a conclusion about his coat...I only have reading and my own girls to use as a basis for my opinion - but in my own experience - the girls changed coats all the way to over a year old - especially Cheri....her coat is much slower growing than my oldest who had long hair by 1-1/2....Each yorkie seems to have their own pace of hair growth

You are absolutely right there Villette, really hard to know what a coat is going to be when it is 16 weeks. For a pet, unless you have your heart set on a certain coat type, you may or may not be disappointed with what you end up with coatwise which doesn't matter anyway, a Yorkie is just as lovable anyway.
But for those who are looking for a Yorkie to eventually use in a breeding program, this is one of the reasons why you don't buy until closer to a year old than under 6 months old. Coat, colour and conformation can change so much as they mature.

[red rock blues]

Originally Posted by ButterflyYorkie

He is a cute boy for sure!

I have looked into research, pics and LOTS of info on "red legs". I do not promote the breeding of them for any reason. It's a gamble I am not willing to take when I can pair two yorkies that I know do not carry this "short wiry coat" trait.

I happen to own a 9 yr old SPAYED red leg yorkie! She is a wonderful little dog who belongs to my daughter. SPUNKY is not the word for her! She's a real sweety! But would I breed one like her? No. Red legs do not grow coat. I don't care who you are or what you try to convince me otherwise but they do not! Their pups may get "lucky" when paired with a correct coat for mating, but why would you want to risk that? Who would want that throw back in their line? Do we not hold coat as a number one factor in our breed? Yes. Is our goal as breeders to keep the breed looking like it's supposed to and DISTINGUISHABLE from all other breeds? Yes.

This is our old red leg girl... she's a spoiled girl and we love her! But we realized early on that she was NOT for breeding. You know I absolutely hate to see these kind of things "promoted" as I had a "respected" breeder tell me once that the dog in THIS picture below was the ONE dog that I SHOULD breed and that my more standard yorkies SHOULD NOT be bred. I cringe every time I think of that but please know I took it with a chuckle and a "yeah yeah" LOL!

This is my red leg girl, and her hair has never grown any longer to this day at 9 years old than you see in this pic...She was on our site for years as our "House baby and guard dog" And she is that to this day.

Could you share where you got your research from and all the info on red legs? I can't find diddly, and I really would appreciate some tips on where to find this. Thanks, Janet

[Smidge]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Can I ask where you live SMIDGE ?? I'd love to hear about the BEST breeders around....

are you in California by any chance ?

No ...not California...LOL.... . but I do know about you and so I will answer your inquiry although I will also apologize to this membership for taking the thread off topic.

The breeders I am talking about are Parkside, Parquin, Durrer's, Stratford, Tyree, etc....just to name a few. None of these reputable and experienced breeders would ever bring a "red legged" yorkie into their program.

[red98vett]

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lol - I got it now - you must be one of the ex members of YT - sorry you have to disguise yourself ..I know that can't be fun ....but I DO doubt you know me - you may have issues with me - but that isn't the same.
Though - hiding behind a fake name really isn't something I'd ever do.

since you did you brought up the fact that you've had discussions with some of the top lines - ....I really was interested who the "BEST breeders" are - not to get into a word match with you - I know who you are now that you posted....and that game is dead.

You basically said you've spoken to all those breeders personally about Red Legged Yorkies ?? Wow - I've seen actual BREEDERS who didn't even know what a Red Legged Yorkkie is - do you have one ???? Pictures maybe ?

ps....(I don't count brokers as a source of info) but would be curious as to what these breeders said since you brought it up.

[Smidge]

Originally Posted by red98vett

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lol - I got it now - you must be one of the ex members of YT - sorry you have to disguise yourself ..I know that can't be fun ....but I DO doubt you know me - you may have issues with me - but that isn't the same.
Though - hiding behind a fake name really isn't something I'd ever do.

since you did you brought up the fact that you've had discussions with some of the top lines - ....I really was interested who the "BEST breeders" are - not to get into a word match with you - I know who you are now that you posted....and that game is dead.

You basically said you've spoken to all those breeders personally about Red Legged Yorkies ?? Wow - I've seen actual BREEDERS who didn't even know what a Red Legged Yorkkie is - do you have one ???? Pictures maybe ?

ps....(I don't count brokers as a source of info) but would be curious as to what these breeders said since you brought it up.

....this is way I have been basically a "silent" member here since August.
People here seem to attack others for the "game" of it. I will return to being a "silent member".

[candybaby]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I see you're getting all sorts of answers & saw this isn't about 'breeding' ...but I have an idea why it went in that direction.......so I'll add my 2 cents -

your yorkie is so young - I think you can wait before coming to a conclusion about his coat...I only have reading and my own girls to use as a basis for my opinion - but in my own experience - the girls changed coats all the way to over a year old - especially Cheri....her coat is much slower growing than my oldest who had long hair by 1-1/2....Each yorkie seems to have their own pace of hair growth

I agree "V" I know why too it went that direction, anyways I don't think you have a red leg....I also thought mine was a red leg, but now his coat is changing I will post a before and after picture of my little man.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Smidge

No ...not California...LOL.... . but I do know about you and so I will answer your inquiry although I will also apologize to this membership for taking the thread off topic.

The breeders I am talking about are Parkside, Parquin, Durrer's, Stratford, Tyree, etc....just to name a few. None of these reputable and experienced breeders would ever bring a "red legged" yorkie into their program.

I had an interesting conversation with a well know show breeder yesterday, she took a look at Hannahs kids (Hannah is my red leg) she went wild about their deep coloring and said she wished she still had these colors in her line. She had encouraged me to hold one of these boys back to breed back into his color. Everyone has their own opinion and here you have another one!

Also research how many show breeders dye or enhance their yorkies, one would be surprised on how many notable champions were dyed to that perfect blue and chalked to the perfect gold so they could compete. Only to wash out in the privacy of their own homes!

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by Smidge

No ...not California...LOL.... . but I do know about you and so I will answer your inquiry although I will also apologize to this membership for taking the thread off topic.
The breeders I am talking about are Parkside, Parquin, Durrer's, Stratford, Tyree, etc....just to name a few. None of these reputable and experienced breeders would ever bring a "red legged" yorkie into their program

How exciting for you that you have spoken to ALL of these show breeders Are you a show exhibitor yourself or interested in becoming a show exhibitor?

Or was this in search of your own pet dog?

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by red98vett

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lol - I got it now - you must be one of the ex members of YT - sorry you have to disguise yourself ..I know that can't be fun ....but I DO doubt you know me - you may have issues with me - but that isn't the same.
Though - hiding behind a fake name really isn't something I'd ever do.

since you did you brought up the fact that you've had discussions with some of the top lines - ....I really was interested who the "BEST breeders" are - not to get into a word match with you - I know who you are now that you posted....and that game is dead.

You basically said you've spoken to all those breeders personally about Red Legged Yorkies ?? Wow - I've seen actual BREEDERS who didn't even know what a Red Legged Yorkkie is - do you have one ???? Pictures maybe ?

ps....(I don't count brokers as a source of info) but would be curious as to what these breeders said since you brought it up.

Well said, Vee!

I wonder what she meant by knowing about you. If she knew you, she'd know that you're one of the most caring, sweet, outgoing and helpful members on this board.

[BamaFan121s]

I dream of a world where this facinating subject can one day be discussed in an insightful manner, rather than this.

[red98vett]

Hugs Kimberley..thanks - I like it here too much to pay attention

Potter - Your yorkie really has a shiny coat - what are you using on him ??? Have you thought of trying the Missing link as someone posted ? I found when my Cheri was a baby - a REALLY good shampoo helps alot too - there's lots of info here - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...=rate+grooming

a BUNCH of people talk about the different products we use...we all want our yorkies to look their best and your question did get off track - sorry....

[Raymond's Mom]

The breeders I am talking about are Parkside, Parquin, Durrer's, Stratford, Tyree, etc....just to name a few. None of these reputable and experienced breeders would ever bring a "red legged" yorkie into their program.
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Oh yes they would! In a breed where it's easy to loose color a true red leg is an asset but it has to be bred properly.

[Smidge]

Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom

The breeders I am talking about are Parkside, Parquin, Durrer's, Stratford, Tyree, etc....just to name a few. None of these reputable and experienced breeders would ever bring a "red legged" yorkie into their program.
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Oh yes they would! In a breed where it's easy to loose color a true red leg is an asset but it has to be bred properly.

Cher Hildebrand of Goldenray is another well respected breeder and she explained why this is not the case any longer in an earlier thread back in August which I read when first joining here. She was replying to a post by YorkieRose so I pasted both here.
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose
Don't feel bad..I had never heard it either until this year. I have asked many top show breeders how to bring back good rich color when some were getting too light...and not one has ever mentioned a red legs...I was told to breed to the most correct blue and gold to improve color...so I am just as stumped. LOL

PS..I have no doubt read every Yorkie book written..never heard the term Red legs...anyone have an old Ethel Munday or Martello books, what do they say..? My friend, Shirley's mom was good friends with Ethel and she taught her all she knew..no red legs there..I am not trying to start a fuss..seriously, I want to hear breeders like Parkside, Durrers, Stratford, Rothby, Tiffany, Tyava, Goldenray, Blumoom, and more agree this a common practice.

Hi Pat. You really don't hear about using red legs as a rule anymore because it is not necessary.

Way back when... We had cotton coats, wooly coats, wire coats (red leg category) and some silk coats. You remember the days Pat (dating us here). There were very few silk coats and mostly they were towards the silver hue. Breeders were working hard to get silk coats that were dark blue. They had very little to work with. Some were breeding soft coats to the light silk and some were breeding wire coats to the light silk. This is all they had to work with. Thanks to wonderful breeders like the Wildweir twins, they helped create the Yorkie as we see it today. They didn't have dark blue silk back then, they had to create it, which is what dedicated breeders do.

Now we have dark blue silk and you just breed to the correct dog. Breeding to anything else just brings that incorrect problem into the gene pool. I have never kept a soft coat or wire coat personally. I've never even bred a wire coat and the only soft coats produced here was way back when they had to be used in a breeding program. Why bother, half our standard is coat, so the dog is already half wrong. I breed silk dogs and try at all times to work for the density of color and I get a tremendous amount of dark blue and very few that go medium.

So each breeder has to do what they see as best but in today's world with all our dark blue silk coats, there would be no reason for me to add any other problem coats into my breeding program. So you are quite right Pat, you always just breed to the correct blue/tan.
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Goldenray Yorkies