What Should Be Done With "Pet Store Puppies"?

[Amber_lv]

I started a post about a pet shop and the conditions of the dogs i called the animal servises and really they did nothing as long as they have food and water it is leagal he is the thread!
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47084
i think if we can get the pet store shut down and go to our legislature and plead our cases someday we might change something

[SJK1113]

Another thing that would help is if people just stop shopping at these pet stores, even for pet supplies. That means getting the word out all over so that more people are aware.

[JiggityJig]

Educate, educate, educate.

I shudder when someone mentions "rescuing" an animal from a petstore. You may feel like you saved THAT animal from its current misery, but all you did was put money in the breeders' hands, and the next week, one or two more dogs take it's place.

You'd be doing SO much more good if, when you were apalled at something you saw in a petstore, you went home, and talked to your friends, and made phone calls, and wrote letters, and did something that would NOT support ($$$) the cycle, and enable it to continue.

What about the animals in the petstore? Don't they deserve a loving home too? This is the question that is always asked. Well, then, let the next customer who walks in be the one to support the mills, NOT YOU. And continue to try to (diplomatically) educate everyone you have the opportunity to discuss the issue with.

It's not like EVERYONE is going to stop buying animals in petstores all at once, leaving an entire generation of cats and dogs languishing in their cages into their old age. Rather, the tide will be turned in degrees, as more and more people are educated, and look for reputable breeders...and the supply/demand cycle for the mills dies a slow death.

That is the ONLY answer.

By the way, I in no way stand in judgment of anyone who bought their pet at a petstore before they "knew better"...I've done the same in the past.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Yorkie3

For starters I think there should be a law that states all pet stores (until they are eliminated) must have Vet on staff or at least a qualified Vet Tech to check everything there is to check on these puppies when they first come in and every week thereafter. Blood work might have to be done once a month. That the puppies must have at least 1/2 to an hour every morning and evening out for playtime. And at least 1/2 of the playtime outdoors with fresh air. It won't stop them, but they need more rules to follow!!!

This is a very good idea. Perhaps if they had to actually take care of the puppies, they wouldn't want to deal with selling them.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Recently, someone said to me, "The puppies in the pet store, are there, through no fault of their own. They are innocent, living beings. Don't they deserve a good home? What do you think should be done with them?"

I have to admit, I had no answer.

So, I am asking everyone here for their thoughts.

What should be done with these puppies? I mean, we all know, that if we buy them, we only encourage the Millers and BYB's. So, please believe, I am not advocating buying them, in order to provide them loving homes.

What are your thoughts?

This was the question, and this thread has gotten off the track of the question I asked. If you want to discuss how to stop puppies from ever being sold in pet stores, wonderful, but please start a separate thread.

This thread was meant to discuss what should happen to the "existing" puppies in the pet stores.

I do thank those of you that have tried to answer the question.

[Mitzis Mom]

I think, if we have the funds, the patience and the heart, we should 'rescue' the puppies from the stores by buying them. It makes no sense to me NOT to buy them because they are innocent and need a good home. Also there will always be some people that buy them.

The problem has to be solved from the source! We need to put pressure on the law makers, the law inforcement AND THE KENNEL CLUBS!

In Germany there is a breed called Leonberger. They are gentle giants and their breeding is very restricted. Maximum 3 litters per bitch, they are not allowed to be sold in pet stores, have to be given back to the breeder in case of rehoming and they don't give registrations to any puppy born outside this regulations.

How are the kennel clubs in USA handling the problem of puppy mills? If they would refuse to issue registrations and pedigrees to those breeders, they could not make that kind of money and it would not be commercially interesting to do that.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Mitzis Mom

I think, if we have the funds, the patience and the heart, we should 'rescue' the puppies from the stores by buying them. It makes no sense to me NOT to buy them because they are innocent and need a good home. Also there will always be some people that buy them.

The problem has to be solved from the source! We need to put pressure on the law makers, the law inforcement AND THE KENNEL CLUBS!

In Germany there is a breed called Leonberger. They are gentle giants and their breeding is very restricted. Maximum 3 litters per bitch, they are not allowed to be sold in pet stores, have to be given back to the breeder in case of rehoming and they don't give registrations to any puppy born outside this regulations.

How are the kennel clubs in USA handling the problem of puppy mills? If they would refuse to issue registrations and pedigrees to those breeders, they could not make that kind of money and it would not be commercially interesting to do that.

Excellent answer! I think, if we also combine "rescuing" the puppies, with my friends suggestion of "low-balling" them on the price, (for example, insisting you will only pay half of their asking price),citing the more reasonable prices that reputable breeders charge, the pet stores would learn it's just not profitable.

My friends actually did negotiate a price on a puppy last week. Puppy was priced at $1,350. They negotiated down and bought the puppy for $500.00.
They were walking out the door, without the puppy, and the manager ran after them, and agreed to their offer. So, it can be done.

(It's pretty disheartening to think how little the store actually paid the so-called breeder for the puppy, since I am sure they still made a profit. )

[daisy mae06]

We need to make sure that the pet store are up to standard so that the puppies that are there will be comfortable. we also need to educate the store owner about where they get there dogs some Really think they are getting good dogs because there Broker promises them this. If they only knew. Also i do have to say that the lil town store by me Does have good pets and pups there. they Proudly state they do not buy from mills or brokers.and they do mostly adopt out from the shelter. A frind of mine that worked ther for a while told me they Have a few beeders in the area ( small time ) that will advertise the pup through them. but they do not sell pups for profit I liked this and i think that if we educate more stores will stop selling for profit also.

[Yorkie3]

I could almost guarantee that the kennel clubs would not do anything, only because they would lose money too and we all know what the bottom line is. The only way I can think of something actually getting done is by contacting city and county officials to have local/county laws changed and to have the stores have to follow so many rules and regulations that it just wouldn't be worth the trouble. One more way might be if the ASPCA in each state had a task force that did nothing else but check on these puppy mills consistently. Just can't see the last one being done, but I doubt the kennel clubs will do anything either.

[daisy mae06]

but remeber the post from yesterday? JUST A DOG? there are alot of people out there that feel this way we need to change there minds and get the president to back the cause . if all the memeber of yt and there friends and family would take action and not just talk we could change i really think we could.

[JiggityJig]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

This was the question, and this thread has gotten off the track of the question I asked. If you want to discuss how to stop puppies from ever being sold in pet stores, wonderful, but please start a separate thread.

This thread was meant to discuss what should happen to the "existing" puppies in the pet stores.

I do thank those of you that have tried to answer the question.

We ARE answering your question. And the answer is, there is nothing that concerned parties can do SPECIFICALLY for that SPECIFIC dog sitting there in the pet shop that WILL NOT SUPPORT THE CYCLE. ANY amount of money going into the breeders/mills pockets will only ENCOURAGE THEM TO BREED MORE.

BUYING AN ANIMAL IN A PETSTORE IS NOT RESCUING THEM, IT'S JUST PUTTING MORE AND MORE ANIMALS IN THAT SAME SITUATION. The good news is, if you're so worried about what will happen to those animals.....you don't have to be. The question you're asking is unnecessary....there will ALWAYS be ignorant (willfully, or innocently) people who will make impulsive petshop buys. There is NO NEED to "worry" about what will happen to those animals. If you don't buy them, someone else will. So I don't really understand the concern or the question????

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

This was the question, and this thread has gotten off the track of the question I asked. If you want to discuss how to stop puppies from ever being sold in pet stores, wonderful, but please start a separate thread.

This thread was meant to discuss what should happen to the "existing" puppies in the pet stores.

I do thank those of you that have tried to answer the question.

It's a very hard question to answer, and even with all the answers that there are, they are easier said than done. This thread has not gone off topic, so I don't see why your trippin about it going off topic? If it was off topic we would start discussing other problems, but were not. You have to keep in mind that the problem of your question begins w/ the dogs coming to the petshops. If they didn't come to the petshops in the first place, we wouldn't be asking "what can be done w/ the ones that are there" because there would be none. With that in mind, my first reply is definitly not off topic like you said it was. Just remember, these puppies that are coming to the petshops are soon going to be the "existing" ones in pet stores.

No matter how much everyone on here preaches to other about petstores and spreads their knowledge, I really think it has to stop at puppy mills. Maybe that's where the rescuers should go in...if theres no dogs in the mills, no puppies can be made. If pet stores get shut down, a new one will open up. Remember that dogs will still be breed at mills, and they will find other petstores to be delivered too. Get rid of puppymills, then the petstores will be "starving" for puppies because they won't have anywhere to get them from, then there will be no "existing" petstore pups.

[sashajade]

dogs and cats are not sold in pet stores in the uk anymore, i got my scampi from a pet shop and he was healthy all his life but then again the pet shop i got him from got its pups from proper breeders all over the uk and they all came with good pedigrees, kennel club papers and had been wormed vet checked and had all there jabs. i no if i walked past a shop with pups in it that were being treated badly i would buy them as i couldnt live with my self if i walked away, but i also no it would be wrong to buy them, there should be a law to stop dogs and cats being sold in pet shops in the usa, the ones that are already in the stores should then be pasted on to rescue centres to be re homed. however even if this was done the people who had the shops would still carry on breeding and selling the pups by putting them in the paper or on the internet, im not sure about the laws in the usa so i can only say about what i think should happen in the uk, we dont have dogs in pet shops now but we have problems with people who no nothing about breeding and just want to make money so over breed there dogs and weathers its a puppy mill with 50 breeding dogs or a crule woman who breeds her bitch every year over and over again its just as bad and should be stopped, i say every owner of a dog should have to have a licence which is renewed every year and has to be signed by a vet, then when someone breeds there dog all pups have to have one at 2 weeks old signed by a vet and the vet has to see the home of the pups before signing paper work, then the people who go to buy the pups will know that the pups are well bred, if the pups dont have paper work then the buyers of the pups wont buy them or if they do they will not pay as much so the breeders might be put off by not making so much money or the breeders will take more care of the pups and mothers so they can make good money, i also think the amount of money for pedigree breeds is just getting silly and all pedigree breeds should be the same amount and a reasonable amount so these horrible people who breed for money might be put off if they dont make that much money from breeding in the frist place, this shouldnt put off good breeders as for them the money isnt the object of breeding its to make the best of the breed for the good of the breed.

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by Rae Rae

It's a very hard question to answer, and even with all the answers that there are, they are easier said than done. This thread has not gone off topic, so I don't see why your trippin about it going off topic? If it was off topic we would start discussing other problems, but were not. You have to keep in mind that the problem of your question begins w/ the dogs coming to the petshops. If they didn't come to the petshops in the first place, we wouldn't be asking "what can be done w/ the ones that are there" because there would be none. With that in mind, my first reply is definitly not off topic like you said it was. Just remember, these puppies that are coming to the petshops are soon going to be the "existing" ones in pet stores.

No matter how much everyone on here preaches to other about petstores and spreads their knowledge, I really think it has to stop at puppy mills. Maybe that's where the rescuers should go in...if theres no dogs in the mills, no puppies can be made. If pet stores get shut down, a new one will open up. Remember that dogs will still be breed at mills, and they will find other petstores to be delivered too. Get rid of puppymills, then the petstores will be "starving" for puppies because they won't have anywhere to get them from, then there will be no "existing" petstore pups.

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by daisy mae06

Thank You Thank You...(taking a bow)