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YorkieRini · 03-08-2006, 07:24 AM

Sue, no need to get nasty. You are always on the defensive with me and I have no idea why. Why is this such a 'war'? Why do I get nasty emails about the IBC from 'closet members' of the IBC?
You've said it on many occasions that the Biewer is just a Yorkie of a different color. Here is a post to 'enlighten' you. I am not going through the rest of your posts. This one should refresh your memory..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I am going to make one more attempt and I am done with this whole conversation.

The Biewers started with two founding parents that were b/g Yorkshire Terriers nothing else. Recessive pie bald carriers. Mr. Biewer continued to mutate this gene, to develop the breed, so the offspring carry the same coloring, to throw the Biewer standard.

Now there are several lines in this breed. How did this happen??? It is very clear. If they were not breed back with their heritage (yorkshire terriers) otherwise we would only have ONE line and really sick dogs from inbreeding.

Since the Biewers were established from the Yorkshire Terrier line how can this now become a mix???? I understand for them to stand on their own as a breed of their own they shouldn't be breed back to b/g yorkie. The goal to improve the breed since it is such a new breed, breeders in Germany are still breeding back with the b/g. Some of these breeders belong to the very same club of the IBC. So, unless they are banned or in the process of being banned I feel that this is still exceptable, with the IBC.

I would love to see this Biewers become a variation or type of Yorkshire. Not to compete against the Yorshire Terrier as it does go against the breed standard the was set by the YTCA and that AKC follows them as the parent club for the breed... There are many many other variations of other breeds in AKC. This is will take many years for this to happen and all the right steps would have to be taken first. When the time comes I would love to see the YTCA join our force & help us get them introduced properly to ensure that they enter the ring as a breed of their own as the silkies are.

I have a question Sue. When you show Homer (who is adorable by the way ) how does the International entity judge him? Based on what standard or rules? I visited their website and I don't see anything about Biewers..I don't remember anyway..

Homer entered the ring under his category a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. He was judged against his standard the was set for this breed. The judges at these shows are AKC and UCI judges.

I am hoping that our trip to Germany this year will fill in the blanks for us. Until then I am no long going to go tit for tat here. I have provided many links on this whole subject for everyone to reasearch. Come to our own conclusions. Good Luck to everyone.

I happend to find another thread that you said quote 'since the IBC is supposed to be the German Club for Biewers...' that was just earlier this year. So if you new about the IBC for "years" you would not have said that in the thread where I brought up the IBC.

In fairness to all of those on YT members and lurkers, I am bringing this stuff out because The childish games. Posts with a hidden meanings, replies with hidden meanings, then the PMs and whispering Irene said this, and Irene did that. Staring new forums to talk about me. For crying out loud people!!! What is with the obsession over me anyway?..I'm just a newbie breeder, what do you care what I do anyway?...lololol

Sorry Admin and the members and lurkers of YT. I may be outta line for posting this. But there are many hidden agendas in some of the posts and it's not fair to those not involved to not be clued in.

BamaFan121s · 03-08-2006, 08:41 AM

This is beyond the point of being ridiculous.

whispersmom2 · 03-08-2006, 10:01 AM

Am I correct then in assuming that I need to contact Dagmar (whatever her last name is) to begin the process of joining the IBC?
I do have another agenda in trying to get this info. I want to hear from the founder of the club, either yes, I can register Remi and his get; or no, I cannot. Either way, I will move on. I just want to explore my options..
To me it would be to their advantage to have such good quality in coloring and markings as Remi has, as an introduction to their blood lines...JMO

Christman19 · 03-08-2006, 01:20 PM

The Biewer first originated in 1983 with an accidental breeding between two Yorkies. Since all Yorkies have a tri -color gene, this litter produced a freak of nature, in short puppies that had 3 colors, white, black and gold. The owners decided because of the beautiful look and rarity of the litter, and of the advice of their vet, to try to reproduce a litter like this again, and inbred brother and sister from the same litter. In short, they reproduced the same,puppies of three color markings. Because of inbreeding there were a lot of health issues in the very beginning. Today, because the breeders in Germany have managed to produce several different lines, there has been very few health issues, and overall Biewers are much healthier now a days then Yorkies, in my opinion. Biewers are only supposed to be bred to Biewers! Only in rare instances is a Yorkie allowed in the breeding program. For instance if you have a litter that is getting way to light in color, or the puppies do not resemble the look of a Yorkie anymore, this is when you are allowed to use a male Yorkie to a Biewer female. In no other way should we use a Yorkie on a regular basis, as this will distort the Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer race all together.
Karin

txshopper73 · 03-08-2006, 01:29 PM

In all honesty, I hope that admin opens up a seperate Biewer forum so that YT can go back to talking about yorkies.

Christman19 · 03-08-2006, 01:53 PM

Well you know what? Biewers are part of the Yorkie gene pool, and this is all about breeding right or wrong. Isn't it!!!
Karin

oversharer · 03-08-2006, 02:46 PM

Crap, I feel like I've opened a can of worms here and wished I'd never asked at all. Oh dear.

kisszoe · 03-08-2006, 02:53 PM

I am fairly new here and searching for good advice and mentorship and help from breeders. I think I may just take my search some place else. 90% of what I find here is a bunch of back biting and meanness. Why is there such competition to be the one who knows the most or is the best. It is immature and silly and for a new comer it is a complete turn off. Just had to say my peace. If I am "blackballed" for it, that's okay. I have made a few good friends here that I will keep in touch with, but it frustrates me too much to visit these boards. Really it's a shame. Some of us want to learn, not be pulled into a war.

Christman19 · 03-08-2006, 02:56 PM

Why did you? You know Biewers and Yorkies always create controversy!!! Just like liver shunt etc..., correct???
Karin

BamaFan121s · 03-08-2006, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christman19

Well you know what? Biewers are part of the Yorkie gene pool, and this is all about breeding right or wrong. Isn't it!!!
Karin

I think that your point here is what this ongoing drama is all about. ONe person feels one way, another may feel another and then for some reason, there is the need among them to prove themselves right and the others wrong. Silly, really...

BamaFan121s · 03-08-2006, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisszoe

Why is there such competition to be the one who knows the most or is the best.

These are my feelings as well. Please let me know if you find the answer. I am sure there is one other than, "I feel it is my duty to educate others.

"

As for why the original post was made: look at the poster, she doesn't have many posts...she probably has not been here long enough to know how controversial this is!

Christman19 · 03-08-2006, 03:04 PM

Kisszoe!Get used to it, because sooner or later it will catch up with you too. All forums are like that, I have belonged to many, but couldn't stand it anymore, and instead of sitting in front of the computer all day, I opted to spend my time tending to my Yorkie gang.Much more rewarding!!
Every now and then though, someone needs to step in and tell the truth about nonsense that is going on.

JeanieK · 03-08-2006, 03:04 PM

I can see that there is a lot of sensitivity on the subject of Beiwers, and I assume that the parti colored yorkies fit in there also. A lot went on before I joined YT, so I have no idea what all was said in the past.

However I believe there is a lot of information to be learned from this discussion, for those who may be considering buying one of these tri colored yorkies.

I would imagine this discussion, over the yorkies, has been going on for over 100 years, because they were derived from mixing other terriers and IN BREEDING to get the desired color, texture, conformation etc.

I'm not going to take a side as to whether or niot they should be considered yorkies. But I am interest in learning all that I can.

dskeeter1983 · 03-08-2006, 03:21 PM

now i know why when i asked about beiwers the person i asked did not answer me and i am going to say thank you to her and if she sees this she will know who it is for.

i am sorry but most everything here didnt answer kisszoe's question. she did not want to cause everyone to argue about it either

dskeeter1983 · 03-08-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christman19

Kisszoe!Get used to it, because sooner or later it will catch up with you too. All forums are like that, I have belonged to many, but couldn't stand it anymore, and instead of sitting in front of the computer all day, I opted to spend my time tending to my Yorkie gang.Much more rewarding!!
Every now and then though, someone needs to step in and tell the truth about nonsense that is going on.

i am sorry but not all forums are like this one , they may as well change the name here to quarel zone , not yorkie talk.

03-08-2006, 01:29 PM	#20
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	In all honesty, I hope that admin opens up a seperate Biewer forum so that YT can go back to talking about yorkies. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

03-08-2006, 02:46 PM	#22
oversharer Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 78	Crap, I feel like I've opened a can of worms here and wished I'd never asked at all. Oh dear. __________________ "Envy is ignorance, imitation is suicide."

03-08-2006, 03:21 PM	#29
dskeeter1983 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 380	wow now i know why when i asked about beiwers the person i asked did not answer me and i am going to say thank you to her and if she sees this she will know who it is for. i am sorry but most everything here didnt answer kisszoe's question. she did not want to cause everyone to argue about it either __________________ Live , Love , Learn Callie And Tia

03-08-2006, 08:41 AM	#17
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	This is beyond the point of being ridiculous.

03-08-2006, 10:01 AM	#18
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	Am I correct then in assuming that I need to contact Dagmar (whatever her last name is) to begin the process of joining the IBC? I do have another agenda in trying to get this info. I want to hear from the founder of the club, either yes, I can register Remi and his get; or no, I cannot. Either way, I will move on. I just want to explore my options.. To me it would be to their advantage to have such good quality in coloring and markings as Remi has, as an introduction to their blood lines...JMO

03-08-2006, 01:20 PM	#19
Christman19 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 33	The Biewer first originated in 1983 with an accidental breeding between two Yorkies. Since all Yorkies have a tri -color gene, this litter produced a freak of nature, in short puppies that had 3 colors, white, black and gold. The owners decided because of the beautiful look and rarity of the litter, and of the advice of their vet, to try to reproduce a litter like this again, and inbred brother and sister from the same litter. In short, they reproduced the same,puppies of three color markings. Because of inbreeding there were a lot of health issues in the very beginning. Today, because the breeders in Germany have managed to produce several different lines, there has been very few health issues, and overall Biewers are much healthier now a days then Yorkies, in my opinion. Biewers are only supposed to be bred to Biewers! Only in rare instances is a Yorkie allowed in the breeding program. For instance if you have a litter that is getting way to light in color, or the puppies do not resemble the look of a Yorkie anymore, this is when you are allowed to use a male Yorkie to a Biewer female. In no other way should we use a Yorkie on a regular basis, as this will distort the Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer race all together. Karin

03-08-2006, 01:53 PM	#21
Christman19 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 33	Well you know what? Biewers are part of the Yorkie gene pool, and this is all about breeding right or wrong. Isn't it!!! Karin

03-08-2006, 02:53 PM	#23
kisszoe Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 45	I am fairly new here and searching for good advice and mentorship and help from breeders. I think I may just take my search some place else. 90% of what I find here is a bunch of back biting and meanness. Why is there such competition to be the one who knows the most or is the best. It is immature and silly and for a new comer it is a complete turn off. Just had to say my peace. If I am "blackballed" for it, that's okay. I have made a few good friends here that I will keep in touch with, but it frustrates me too much to visit these boards. Really it's a shame. Some of us want to learn, not be pulled into a war.

03-08-2006, 02:56 PM	#24
Christman19 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 33	Why did you? You know Biewers and Yorkies always create controversy!!! Just like liver shunt etc..., correct??? Karin

03-08-2006, 03:04 PM	#27
Christman19 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 33	Kisszoe!Get used to it, because sooner or later it will catch up with you too. All forums are like that, I have belonged to many, but couldn't stand it anymore, and instead of sitting in front of the computer all day, I opted to spend my time tending to my Yorkie gang.Much more rewarding!! Every now and then though, someone needs to step in and tell the truth about nonsense that is going on.

03-08-2006, 03:04 PM	#28
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	I can see that there is a lot of sensitivity on the subject of Beiwers, and I assume that the parti colored yorkies fit in there also. A lot went on before I joined YT, so I have no idea what all was said in the past. However I believe there is a lot of information to be learned from this discussion, for those who may be considering buying one of these tri colored yorkies. I would imagine this discussion, over the yorkies, has been going on for over 100 years, because they were derived from mixing other terriers and IN BREEDING to get the desired color, texture, conformation etc. I'm not going to take a side as to whether or niot they should be considered yorkies. But I am interest in learning all that I can.