Biewer?

[Francie]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

In all honesty, I hope that admin opens up a seperate Biewer forum so that YT can go back to talking about yorkies.

Lol....yeah...I'm going to breed Yorkies and Shetland Ponies...see what kind of coat I get....


Francie

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by Francie

Lol....yeah...I'm going to breed Yorkies and Shetland Ponies...see what kind of coat I get....


Francie

Hey, you can call them Shetkies or Yorklands!

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by kisszoe

I am fairly new here and searching for good advice and mentorship and help from breeders. I think I may just take my search some place else. 90% of what I find here is a bunch of back biting and meanness. Why is there such competition to be the one who knows the most or is the best. It is immature and silly and for a new comer it is a complete turn off. Just had to say my peace. If I am "blackballed" for it, that's okay. I have made a few good friends here that I will keep in touch with, but it frustrates me too much to visit these boards. Really it's a shame. Some of us want to learn, not be pulled into a war.

I have no idea. We must give credit where credit is due to Germany and the IBC. I have no idea why there is even an issue when some of belong to the IBC. It's all about being humble. Don't see much of that around here.

[dinkydawgs]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Sue, no need to get nasty. You are always on the defensive with me and I have no idea why. Why is this such a 'war'? Why do I get nasty emails about the IBC from 'closet members' of the IBC?
You've said it on many occasions that the Biewer is just a Yorkie of a different color. Here is a post to 'enlighten' you. I am not going through the rest of your posts. This one should refresh your memory..



I happend to find another thread that you said quote 'since the IBC is supposed to be the German Club for Biewers...' that was just earlier this year. So if you new about the IBC for "years" you would not have said that in the thread where I brought up the IBC.

In fairness to all of those on YT members and lurkers, I am bringing this stuff out because The childish games. Posts with a hidden meanings, replies with hidden meanings, then the PMs and whispering Irene said this, and Irene did that. Staring new forums to talk about me. For crying out loud people!!! What is with the obsession over me anyway?..I'm just a newbie breeder, what do you care what I do anyway?...lololol

Sorry Admin and the members and lurkers of YT. I may be outta line for posting this. But there are many hidden agendas in some of the posts and it's not fair to those not involved to not be clued in.

You are not out of line at all.....I am right there with you and agree completely. Thanks for having the nerve to say what a lot of us are thinking. You have a wonderful program and they all know it....if you know what I mean?

[Carinhosamulher]

Look, it's so simple - take Retrievers, for instance. There is the Black Lab Retriever, the Yellow Lab Retriever, the Chocolate Lab Retriever, and the Golden Lab Retriever. In the end, they are ALL Retrievers!! It's the same with Yorkies. Biewers are Yorkshire terriers. Period. They happen to have a different color coat, but when you look at all the other physical aspects of the dog, it is identical to the standard colored Yorkshire, which, I might add, there are several colors recognized by the AKC and some not. Does that mean those that aren't are less a Yorkie? The bone structure is the same, the body is built the same, with Biewer coloring, the tails don't get docked, but the dog is the exact same as any other Yorkshire terrier.

It's getting ridiculous to go through this arguement every time someone asks what exactly is a Biewer. I have a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. He's not a Biewer. He's a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. Just like my dearly departed dog I had 13 years ago wasn't a Chocolate - he was a Chocolate Labrador Retriever.

Now, if that's not simple enough to understand, then I'm just gonna stay out of the arguement from now on. And don't anyone tell me that my Matthias is simply a Biewer, a seperate breed. He's not. He's a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Carinhosamulher

Look, it's so simple - take Retrievers, for instance. There is the Black Lab Retriever, the Yellow Lab Retriever, the Chocolate Lab Retriever, and the Golden Lab Retriever. In the end, they are ALL Retrievers!! It's the same with Yorkies. Biewers are Yorkshire terriers. Period. They happen to have a different color coat, but when you look at all the other physical aspects of the dog, it is identical to the standard colored Yorkshire, which, I might add, there are several colors recognized by the AKC and some not. Does that mean those that aren't are less a Yorkie? The bone structure is the same, the body is built the same, with Biewer coloring, the tails don't get docked, but the dog is the exact same as any other Yorkshire terrier.

It's getting ridiculous to go through this arguement every time someone asks what exactly is a Biewer. I have a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. He's not a Biewer. He's a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. Just like my dearly departed dog I had 13 years ago wasn't a Chocolate - he was a Chocolate Labrador Retriever.

Now, if that's not simple enough to understand, then I'm just gonna stay out of the arguement from now on. And don't anyone tell me that my Matthias is simply a Biewer, a seperate breed. He's not. He's a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

Well owning 6 of each breed. I have to disagree with you. My Biewers are nothing like my Yorkies except for the fact they have long hair, erect ears and pretty faces. Personality and bone structure is completely different from my experience thus far. Again go look at the website of the Biewer Club in Germany. The Biewer is it's 'own race'.

Please understand this is not an argument coming from me. I am just resorting back to the facts per Germany.

[Carinhosamulher]

You can disagree with me all you want. But an autopsy of the dogs will show they have the same bone structure. So far as personality? That's a sorry way to base an arguement that they are different breeds. Every person has a different personality, does that mean that some are human and some aren't? I've known beautiful, cuddly, gentel Rottweilers and I've know some that were meaner than a king cobra. I've known extremely hyper Retrievers, and I currently know one right now that is the calmest retriever I've ever come across - does that mean she's not a retriever?

Opinions are opinions and every one is entitled to them. But facts are facts. And the fact is that Biewers yorkies are Yorkshire terriers with a different coat color. Just like having a silver Yorkie, or a chocolate Yorkie, or a blue Yorkie. It's no less a Yorkie, it's not a different breed. It's just a different color. Biewer Yorkies are Yorkshire terriers that happen to be a different color.

[JeanieK]

I'm so confuuuuuuuuuuused. I need a score card, I've lost track of who is fer um and who is agin um.

Do we all agree that they are all dogs. A dog of a different color is still dog. Or was that a horse. Now I'm gettin um mixed up with the shetland ponies. Lordy Lordy Lordy.

[yorkiegal719]

Originally Posted by Carinhosamulher

Look, it's so simple - take Retrievers, for instance. There is the Black Lab Retriever, the Yellow Lab Retriever, the Chocolate Lab Retriever, and the Golden Lab Retriever. In the end, they are ALL Retrievers!! It's the same with Yorkies. Biewers are Yorkshire terriers. Period. They happen to have a different color coat, but when you look at all the other physical aspects of the dog, it is identical to the standard colored Yorkshire, which, I might add, there are several colors recognized by the AKC and some not. Does that mean those that aren't are less a Yorkie? The bone structure is the same, the body is built the same, with Biewer coloring, the tails don't get docked, but the dog is the exact same as any other Yorkshire terrier.

It's getting ridiculous to go through this arguement every time someone asks what exactly is a Biewer. I have a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. He's not a Biewer. He's a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. Just like my dearly departed dog I had 13 years ago wasn't a Chocolate - he was a Chocolate Labrador Retriever.

Now, if that's not simple enough to understand, then I'm just gonna stay out of the arguement from now on. And don't anyone tell me that my Matthias is simply a Biewer, a seperate breed. He's not. He's a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

The question to be answered isn't whether it's a Yorkshire Terrier or not, it's what future road is the breed going to take. If it's paired back to the standard color it will never stand on it's own, fact. Talking about color of Labs, if you want to produce a certain color in Labs then you try to pair up the one color to get your chances of the same such as:

Chocolate to Chocolate Pairings

bbEE x bbEE will give 100% chocolate puppies.
bbEE x bbEe will give 100% chocolate puppies. One half will carry yellow.
bbEe x bbEe will give the probability of 3/4 chocolate pups, and 1/4 pale yellow pups.
Now, if your trying to stay with the Biewer color, which is three, you will continue to pair healty colored Biewer dogs to get same. Eventually the genes that are produced will get stronger and there won't be a "break" in the pattern, thus you will strong Biewers. The genetic makeup will change, this will effect over time, not only color but diffent characteristics. Some for the better, some not. This is where good breeding will take over. This is the path that the Biewer has been taking over the years and hopefull it will continue. We don't know it all, and like any other breed this will be a controversy that will continue. I don't mind talking about it at all, some find it boring, but I do enjoy learning, it's what keep us going. I myself would love to see them develope into strong dogs that will stand on their own merit....

[oversharer]

Originally Posted by Christman19

Why did you? You know Biewers and Yorkies always create controversy!!! Just like liver shunt etc..., correct???
Karin

Actually, no I didn't. I had NO CLUE that there was such controversy over something so beautiful. I didn't even know what a Biewer was. I realize now that I should have done a search first and I'm sorry for that. Furthermore, there shouldn't be subjects that people are afraid to talk about. All that creates is confusion, misinformation and fear.

[Harbinger]

Wow what a great thread! Who needs prime time TV? Heh, and without the commercials to boot!

Biewers are IMHO beautiful dog, are they yorkies? are they a seperate breed? are Biewers the result of a a fissure in the time space continuum allowing them to cross into our universe? Honestly I dunno. These and many other questions plague me yet I still sleep at night.

For those that complain that yorkietalk is nothing more than an ongoing domestic squabble, to some extent I agree. However there are also a lot of great informative threads out there. DO you have cable TV? Do you watch EVERY channel? I do and I don't. Think of it as using your TV clicker, you skip the threads you don't want to read and read the ones you do.

Hey I don't watch reality TV because I don't like it. Why bother when I have threads like this that are better! Please don't give up on yorkietalk because of the squabbling. I don't much care for many of the threads here, but hey, I don't read them. I have however learnt SO MUCH about yorkies here that the good FAR outweighs the bad.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Wow what a great thread! Who needs prime time TV? Heh, and without the commercials to boot!

Biewers are IMHO beautiful dog, are they yorkies? are they a seperate breed? are Biewers the result of a a fissure in the time space continuum allowing them to cross into our universe? Honestly I dunno. These and many other questions plague me yet I still sleep at night.

For those that complain that yorkietalk is nothing more than an ongoing domestic squabble, to some extent I agree. However there are also a lot of great informative threads out there. DO you have cable TV? Do you watch EVERY channel? I do and I don't. Think of it as using your TV clicker, you skip the threads you don't want to read and read the ones you do.

Hey I don't watch reality TV because I don't like it. Why bother when I have threads like this that are better! Please don't give up on yorkietalk because of the squabbling. I don't much care for many of the threads here, but hey, I don't read them. I have however learnt SO MUCH about yorkies here that the good FAR outweighs the bad.

Now that's FUNNY!

[AngelMia]

Don't know why I'm getting into this mess, but here goes! What is a Biewer? CHristman19 on post #19 gave you the answer to that one. Now what IBC wants and consider is a different issue that Christman also is informing us as well as Yorkie Rini. The Biewer originated from Yorkies, twenty some years after, according To IBC (Dagmar) the goal is not to have to breed Biewer and yorkies at all. That some day they will become there own seperate breed.

Originally Posted by oversharer

Just a quick question, what is a biewer? Is it a coat colour differentiation?

[Pixelate]

This is such an inane argument. I have a Biewer and he is a Yorkie, plain and simple. He is just different colors. Obviously that concept is over the heads of some that post here.

I have been lurking on this forum for a few months and occasionally post. I have learned a few things here and there but it is hard to learn anything when an awful lot of what you have to read through here is mean-spirited idiocy...especially when it comes to this subject.

[BamaFan121s]