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yorkiemom1970 · 02-12-2006, 09:08 AM

I have never heard of this breeder. I too get tired of the bashing alot of breeders take before we really even know what we are talking about. She only has one more adult yorkie than I do and believe me, there are ways to keep males and females seperate when needed and have them in your home. Like I said, I don't know her or her setup, but I can honestly say that unless someone has had a negative experience with a breeder, that I get really tired of hearing the negative about them when we have no clue ourselves. Her babies may live as well as we do, we don't know otherwise. If she welcomes people to her home, that should tell you alot. If she doesn't, then and only then would I say there is anything going on that shouldn't be. Furthermore..."specializing in tiny yorkies" How many times have I heard lately "he's gonna be too small to show or she's too small to breed" Maybe she is implying that she doesn't have larger yorkies over 7 lbs. My 6-7 pounders are tiny to me. Point is...if you don't know the person, don't judge.

Yorkieville200 · 02-12-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I have never heard of this breeder. I too get tired of the bashing alot of breeders take before we really even know what we are talking about. She only has one more adult yorkie than I do and believe me, there are ways to keep males and females seperate when needed and have them in your home. Like I said, I don't know her or her setup, but I can honestly say that unless someone has had a negative experience with a breeder, that I get really tired of hearing the negative about them when we have no clue ourselves. Her babies may live as well as we do, we don't know otherwise. If she welcomes people to her home, that should tell you alot. If she doesn't, then and only then would I say there is anything going on that shouldn't be. Furthermore..."specializing in tiny yorkies" How many times have I heard lately "he's gonna be too small to show or she's too small to breed" Maybe she is implying that she doesn't have larger yorkies over 7 lbs. My 6-7 pounders are tiny to me. Point is...if you don't know the person, don't judge.

Thanks, Robbie. It's good to hear that it's not an excessive number of males. I think the pictures of her Yorkies on her site, appear that she takes good care of them.

I agree, "tiny" is different in many persons opinion.

Sheila

Yorkieville200 · 02-12-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

I have not heard of this breeder, but if I were you I would call and ask her if her dogs are kept inside her house or outside. This would help in knowing if she is a kennel.
Also many breeders have several studs and I am sure they are kept away from the females in heat. Or at least I would hope because no one wants accidents to happen. Mine are kept seperate, because if not then accidents would happen and then of course the males will fight.....

Yes, I will ask her that question. It's a good one. After thinking about it, I'm not going to assume it's a kennel just because of the number of dogs, 'cause I remember meeting a man that fosters a large number of dogs and they are all in the house, and the house is clean and so are the dogs. The people just work harder.

jeanief · 02-12-2006, 10:06 AM

In general I think her dogs are cute. I like the fact that she shows the parents pictures. A " show quality" pup won't sell for $1,200 from what I have found. Her guarantee looks ok, but I would ask about the knees and make sure the vet has checked to make sure they are not loose. I am a breeder with a small " kennel" and my dogs are very happy and healthy. I am home all day and probably spend as much time with my dogs as people who work. They have a inside area with a bed and toys and can go through a door to outside. They also have time daily to run loose on my 6 acres and go with me to places if they like cars rides. At night I go out and groom them and spend lots of one on one time too. All my pups are born in my bedroom and raise in my house. So yes, I guess I am a "kennel" but my dogs come first. ( ask my family)

It's a long drive, but you will have your companion for aprox. 14 yrs so I guess I would make the drive if you see a pup you like and meet the breeder and her dogs. In the long run it's better safe than sorry. take care, Jeanief

Danny · 02-12-2006, 10:31 AM

I think that her dogs r cute but there is others ways to keep males and females away when needed like if she has a big house she can buy little gates and section her house when needed to keep them seperate or maybe she has a huge shed like structure that she made over on the inside and it is sectioned off like a horse stable (but it will have nicer conditions than a horse stable of course) and maybe one side is for dogs and one side is for baths and grooming well hope my opinion helps

Sugar's Mom · 02-12-2006, 10:47 AM

what is wrong with "kennels". We raise Field Champion beagles. To meet AKC standards, of course they are kenneled. We have kennels and dog runs. Plus an eight acre 'running pen" to train them in. We usually have about twenty of our own, plus about five to ten of other peoples that we are training. Does this make us bad? Our dogs are treated almost like family. We spend more on their food per month (highest quality) than we do ours. They have many more doctor visits than we do. my husband knows each one by name and they all know him. i think when people write about their distaste for kennels, they need to be aware that kennel is just a word. It's how the kennel is kept that makes the difference. We proudly use kennel in our name. We are Indian Hills Kennels.

topknot · 02-12-2006, 04:53 PM

Well said!
It is all how someone keeps their place - whether they are inside or kenneled.

Questions - we are all here to help one another and should never make judgements and I do not think that anyone did here. The questions were all great! And good ones for one to ask the breeder. I am sure that the breeder, if good - would want someone to ask. I would! It tells me that the person buying is going to make a good home for one of my babies to go to - because this person really cares.
Sometimes when we think - puppy time - many of us have bought only because of the thought of have a furball to take home and not thinking about this life-long decision. Sometimes it works out great and sometimes not.
The best thing is to go and check out the place with your questions and see how it goes. You will know if it is a great place to get your new baby from or not. And even though it is far to travel - at least you can travel - call it a joy trip for the day. At least you will be out and get to see new sites and all. Stop and have a great lunch and maybe get a new puppy!
P.S. I would prefer to buy a 6 months old male - this way you know what you are getting and in time (usuallu pretty quick) they will get use to you as their new mom.
Let us know how it goes! Good luck! We are supporting you!

luv4yorkies · 02-12-2006, 05:05 PM

I am not judging anyone. and yes people have different opinions of tiny. My Albert is tiny and healthy under 2 lbs at 7 months. Her females look to be small maybe the do weigh more just on a tiny frame. I think her babies are cute and look to be well taken care of hince the reason i have been looking on her site long before this thread was started.

yorkiemom1970 · 02-12-2006, 05:35 PM

Nothing wrong with kennels. But I personally couldn't put my babies in one and be in my home and know that they were out in a seperate facility wanting nothing more than to be with me and in and in -home environment, getting love and attention all day long. I realize that bigger breeds would be impossible to keep them all inside. Didnt mean to step on anyone's toes here, but for my dogs, i could never do it. One of the reasons we are going to build a doggie room with sky lights and the works right off our den in our new home that we plan to build in next yr.

Laura · 02-12-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

But I know I'd never be able to keep them all in long coats, as I do my girls, now, and I have a passion for these long coats.

True, true, true, after their baths today - I love sitting and brushing them all. They sit at the door trying to get away and I just brush them one by one about 4 times until they are all dry. As soon as the weather gets a little more steadily warm, I will shave the black/silver part of their coats. I will leave Zowie long and I am thinking Robyn and maybe Quattro. The four 8 mo olds love to be brushed, Zowie and Bronx don't like it. Bronx is real, real curly coated - so his coat goes first. Teddy is frizzy right now, but so was Zowie, so I will shave him and I think next year his coat will be pretty and I will grow it. Quattro's fur is soooo thick he is like a teacup sheepdog (10#). It is a lot of brushing, but he is a lover. I just hate the bath part (back-breaking) and I don't care for trimming them up as they ALL hate that. I still don't have a good system for ears, nails and butts. Luckily it doesn't have to be done so often.

topknot · 02-12-2006, 06:24 PM

I know what you mean. I have 6 now (one is my older daughter's dog that will be moving out with her soon - so we will be down to 5). Bath day takes the whole morning. I don't know how she does with 13 and not to mention the puppies. If I had that many (and I wish I did have more some days) - I would hire help, I guess. And I had one of my females just finish her heat (no - we did not breed) and now have one more that started (not breeding her either). What a trip - the males were going nuts - crying and howling and not eating and one constantly paced back and forth all day long. It is driving me nuts. Luckily one male will leave soon (my daughter's) and the other is getting altered - leaving me only one male that can. I feel so sorry for them going through this. We are doing a great job keeping them seprated here at home and using child gates - two high (one learned to jump over them). But anymore than this and the males would have to be in another house - for both our sanity!

T.

Laura · 02-12-2006, 07:51 PM

I have all three of my males neutered. It does keep the peace in the house. I had Bronx fixed when Zowie went into heat again. In Dec. one of the boys started to notice his sister and I called that day and took them both in. I can't really see breeding again, I will probably start getting the girls fixed soon. I might rather get a biewer or another differently colored yorkie, a blonde like Julie or Kim have, or even a chocolate or party color.

Yorkieville200 · 02-13-2006, 04:59 AM

I didn't intend to criticize anyone that had a "kennel". Just personally, I don't want to buy a Yorkie puppy from a kennel. That's just my personal feelings.
I like when I go to a breeders home and all the Yorkies are under-foot, giving and receiving lots of attention. I've been to breeders homes where they just separate the dogs with baby gates, and large pens. etc. And on the other side of the coin, I've been to a small "kennel" where the Yorkies were kept in a separate building in cages, and they were not the happiest little dogs. Oh, yes, they had a run outside, but from what I could see they spend a lot of time laying on hard wire grates in cages.

Laura · 02-13-2006, 06:39 AM

I almost agree with you

Zowie and Bronx were raised in a beautiful kennel and have 'wonderful' personalities! Their pups (raised by me) took their great temperament, but I handled them sooooo much as babies and they are even better, especially with brushing. I just think that without kennels, puppies would be so expensive, we could never have afforded one. They actually keep the prices affordable; and they are the ones to keep the lines pure. To raise them well, they must have a great love of their breed and animals in general. Plus, when I decided I could not get rid of my puppies; a friend who raises chi's told me, you just can't play with the puppies and get so attached to them. So I am not sure that is better. Either way, I think the owners/breeders are the ones that make the difference in YOUR puppy - giving them the best start! Even having one litter is a lot of work, 4-5 months hard labor for someone.

Yorkieville200 · 02-14-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura

I almost agree with you

Zowie and Bronx were raised in a beautiful kennel and have 'wonderful' personalities! Their pups (raised by me) took their great temperament, but I handled them sooooo much as babies and they are even better, especially with brushing. I just think that without kennels, puppies would be so expensive, we could never have afforded one. They actually keep the prices affordable; and they are the ones to keep the lines pure. To raise them well, they must have a great love of their breed and animals in general. Plus, when I decided I could not get rid of my puppies; a friend who raises chi's told me, you just can't play with the puppies and get so attached to them. So I am not sure that is better. Either way, I think the owners/breeders are the ones that make the difference in YOUR puppy - giving them the best start! Even having one litter is a lot of work, 4-5 months hard labor for someone.

I realized I need to clarify my feeling about kennels, I don't wnat to buy from a "commercial" kennel. Hope that makes more sense.

Laura, I'm curious, what do you mean by kennels keep prices affordable and keep lines pure? I'm confused, not sure I understand.

One of my girls came from a private home, where the owner just owned the Dam. This girl is so well-adjusted. My other girl came from a larger breeder, and is very "needy".

02-12-2006, 10:31 AM	#20
Danny Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 54	I think that her dogs r cute but there is others ways to keep males and females away when needed like if she has a big house she can buy little gates and section her house when needed to keep them seperate or maybe she has a huge shed like structure that she made over on the inside and it is sectioned off like a horse stable (but it will have nicer conditions than a horse stable of course) and maybe one side is for dogs and one side is for baths and grooming well hope my opinion helps __________________ Danny, Hunter & Daisy Mae Hunter's Dogster Page & Daisy Mae's Dogster Page

02-12-2006, 10:47 AM	#21
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	kennel what is wrong with "kennels". We raise Field Champion beagles. To meet AKC standards, of course they are kenneled. We have kennels and dog runs. Plus an eight acre 'running pen" to train them in. We usually have about twenty of our own, plus about five to ten of other peoples that we are training. Does this make us bad? Our dogs are treated almost like family. We spend more on their food per month (highest quality) than we do ours. They have many more doctor visits than we do. my husband knows each one by name and they all know him. i think when people write about their distaste for kennels, they need to be aware that kennel is just a word. It's how the kennel is kept that makes the difference. We proudly use kennel in our name. We are Indian Hills Kennels.

02-12-2006, 07:51 PM	#27
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	I have all three of my males neutered. It does keep the peace in the house. I had Bronx fixed when Zowie went into heat again. In Dec. one of the boys started to notice his sister and I called that day and took them both in. I can't really see breeding again, I will probably start getting the girls fixed soon. I might rather get a biewer or another differently colored yorkie, a blonde like Julie or Kim have, or even a chocolate or party color. __________________ Laura--loving mom of Robyn, Dexter, Sandy, Mattie, Sammy, Jake & Mollie http://www.yorkietalk.com/gallery/sh...00&ppuser=1851

02-13-2006, 06:39 AM	#29
Laura Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX Posts: 1,577	I almost agree with you Zowie and Bronx were raised in a beautiful kennel and have 'wonderful' personalities! Their pups (raised by me) took their great temperament, but I handled them sooooo much as babies and they are even better, especially with brushing. I just think that without kennels, puppies would be so expensive, we could never have afforded one. They actually keep the prices affordable; and they are the ones to keep the lines pure. To raise them well, they must have a great love of their breed and animals in general. Plus, when I decided I could not get rid of my puppies; a friend who raises chi's told me, you just can't play with the puppies and get so attached to them. So I am not sure that is better. Either way, I think the owners/breeders are the ones that make the difference in YOUR puppy - giving them the best start! Even having one litter is a lot of work, 4-5 months hard labor for someone. __________________ Laura--loving mom of Robyn, Dexter, Sandy, Mattie, Sammy, Jake & Mollie http://www.yorkietalk.com/gallery/sh...00&ppuser=1851

02-12-2006, 09:08 AM	#16
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	I have never heard of this breeder. I too get tired of the bashing alot of breeders take before we really even know what we are talking about. She only has one more adult yorkie than I do and believe me, there are ways to keep males and females seperate when needed and have them in your home. Like I said, I don't know her or her setup, but I can honestly say that unless someone has had a negative experience with a breeder, that I get really tired of hearing the negative about them when we have no clue ourselves. Her babies may live as well as we do, we don't know otherwise. If she welcomes people to her home, that should tell you alot. If she doesn't, then and only then would I say there is anything going on that shouldn't be. Furthermore..."specializing in tiny yorkies" How many times have I heard lately "he's gonna be too small to show or she's too small to breed" Maybe she is implying that she doesn't have larger yorkies over 7 lbs. My 6-7 pounders are tiny to me. Point is...if you don't know the person, don't judge.

02-12-2006, 10:06 AM	#19
jeanief YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 307	In general I think her dogs are cute. I like the fact that she shows the parents pictures. A " show quality" pup won't sell for $1,200 from what I have found. Her guarantee looks ok, but I would ask about the knees and make sure the vet has checked to make sure they are not loose. I am a breeder with a small " kennel" and my dogs are very happy and healthy. I am home all day and probably spend as much time with my dogs as people who work. They have a inside area with a bed and toys and can go through a door to outside. They also have time daily to run loose on my 6 acres and go with me to places if they like cars rides. At night I go out and groom them and spend lots of one on one time too. All my pups are born in my bedroom and raise in my house. So yes, I guess I am a "kennel" but my dogs come first. ( ask my family) It's a long drive, but you will have your companion for aprox. 14 yrs so I guess I would make the drive if you see a pup you like and meet the breeder and her dogs. In the long run it's better safe than sorry. take care, Jeanief

02-12-2006, 04:53 PM	#22
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Well said! It is all how someone keeps their place - whether they are inside or kenneled. Questions - we are all here to help one another and should never make judgements and I do not think that anyone did here. The questions were all great! And good ones for one to ask the breeder. I am sure that the breeder, if good - would want someone to ask. I would! It tells me that the person buying is going to make a good home for one of my babies to go to - because this person really cares. Sometimes when we think - puppy time - many of us have bought only because of the thought of have a furball to take home and not thinking about this life-long decision. Sometimes it works out great and sometimes not. The best thing is to go and check out the place with your questions and see how it goes. You will know if it is a great place to get your new baby from or not. And even though it is far to travel - at least you can travel - call it a joy trip for the day. At least you will be out and get to see new sites and all. Stop and have a great lunch and maybe get a new puppy! P.S. I would prefer to buy a 6 months old male - this way you know what you are getting and in time (usuallu pretty quick) they will get use to you as their new mom. Let us know how it goes! Good luck! We are supporting you!

02-12-2006, 05:05 PM	#23
luv4yorkies YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,611	I am not judging anyone. and yes people have different opinions of tiny. My Albert is tiny and healthy under 2 lbs at 7 months. Her females look to be small maybe the do weigh more just on a tiny frame. I think her babies are cute and look to be well taken care of hince the reason i have been looking on her site long before this thread was started.

02-12-2006, 05:35 PM	#24
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	Nothing wrong with kennels. But I personally couldn't put my babies in one and be in my home and know that they were out in a seperate facility wanting nothing more than to be with me and in and in -home environment, getting love and attention all day long. I realize that bigger breeds would be impossible to keep them all inside. Didnt mean to step on anyone's toes here, but for my dogs, i could never do it. One of the reasons we are going to build a doggie room with sky lights and the works right off our den in our new home that we plan to build in next yr.

02-12-2006, 06:24 PM	#26
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	I know what you mean. I have 6 now (one is my older daughter's dog that will be moving out with her soon - so we will be down to 5). Bath day takes the whole morning. I don't know how she does with 13 and not to mention the puppies. If I had that many (and I wish I did have more some days) - I would hire help, I guess. And I had one of my females just finish her heat (no - we did not breed) and now have one more that started (not breeding her either). What a trip - the males were going nuts - crying and howling and not eating and one constantly paced back and forth all day long. It is driving me nuts. Luckily one male will leave soon (my daughter's) and the other is getting altered - leaving me only one male that can. I feel so sorry for them going through this. We are doing a great job keeping them seprated here at home and using child gates - two high (one learned to jump over them). But anymore than this and the males would have to be in another house - for both our sanity! T.

02-13-2006, 04:59 AM	#28
Yorkieville200 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: IL Posts: 2,179	I didn't intend to criticize anyone that had a "kennel". Just personally, I don't want to buy a Yorkie puppy from a kennel. That's just my personal feelings. I like when I go to a breeders home and all the Yorkies are under-foot, giving and receiving lots of attention. I've been to breeders homes where they just separate the dogs with baby gates, and large pens. etc. And on the other side of the coin, I've been to a small "kennel" where the Yorkies were kept in a separate building in cages, and they were not the happiest little dogs. Oh, yes, they had a run outside, but from what I could see they spend a lot of time laying on hard wire grates in cages.