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07-11-2017, 05:05 PM | #1 |
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| Did anyone else see this -- two service dogs shot by police in their own yard!
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07-11-2017, 05:46 PM | #2 |
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| Wow. The city should be paying every penny of those vet bills.
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07-11-2017, 06:06 PM | #3 |
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| Looked at it and am not defending OR blaming this officer. His firing his weapon while on duty will be investigated--usually by another agency although some do also an internal investigation. Some do both. The one thing that stood out is the fact that the security video is incomplete. The officer stepped out of its view then came back with his weapon drawn. What happened in those few seconds? I have been on over 1,000 ride alongs with multiple departments and officers. My fiancee fell in the line of duty 46 years ago. I had many of the ride alongs with him. He was trying to find a suspect and went into a yard. They had a pit that was friendly to many but when James looked for the suspect the dog appeared friendly until he saw his owner. Then the dog rushed James TAIL WAGGING the entire time. James had over 40 stitches in his left arm and hand. Wagging tails do NOT mean the dog is friendly. Yes, I'm sorry the dogs were injured but I am very thankful that the officer was not. Also, on a call such as this the officers DO NOT go to the scene and walk up to the door and knock. That would give the suspect the ability to flee or be able to kill the officers. It happens too many times. Officer safety MUST take priority over the dogs. Human life MUST be more valuable than any animal. Officers need to go home to their loved ones. It's not like the television shows try to make it appeared. I am still struggling with the loss of James. It is not something you just get over. There is an old Native American saying that fits in this case..."Don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my moccasins." So true in most areas of life. Officer May, I am praying for you and your family, friends, and department. BE SAFE ALWAYS, a survivor. |
07-11-2017, 06:15 PM | #4 |
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| The dog was standing there wagging its tail - neither dog was charging. The officer never went to the door to inquire about the problem just went to the back yard. There were children in the house as I understand it and no one asked about the alarm. If anyone walked into my back yard with guns blazing with no more information than that......
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07-11-2017, 07:50 PM | #5 | |
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07-12-2017, 09:35 AM | #6 |
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| I believe I might have seen a news clip on police training recently. Memory serves me correctly the police training center was in Georgia. The story went on to say most of a police officers training is dedicated to being proficient with his weapons and not enough training was being introduced to how to deescalate certain situations. While I believe 99.9% of police officers are decent the one officer that gets into the police department poses a serious threat. Sadly we need more Andy Taylors and less Barney Fife's
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07-12-2017, 09:43 AM | #7 |
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| After reading the story the fault lies with the security provider The daughters arrived at the house at 8:50 p.m. Saturday. One of them accidentally triggered the alarm. LeMay said she phoned the security company and the alarm was deactivated at 8:54 p.m. At 9:15 p.m., two officers arrived at the home. Neither knocked on the front door, Le May said, but one stayed in front while the other apparently scaled a 7-foot privacy fence to get into the backyard. Why weren't the police notified it was a false alarm?
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07-12-2017, 03:44 PM | #8 | |
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I agree there is far too much grey area. Response in this type of situation is called muscle memory. At our academy, every cadet must shoot a minimum of 2,000 rounds. This is coupled with the number of times they must hit the target in a zone of death. It may not always cause the death of a perp but it usually will stop an attack on a person. Officers use the statement 2 +1 meaning 2 to the chest then if that does not work it will be also 1 to the head. Every officer is trained to protect lives and theirs is always the last one to protect if any person/animal is in danger. Officers/fire responders are the TRUE American HEROes. Be Safe Always. Pray for you every day. | |
07-12-2017, 03:46 PM | #9 | |
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08-14-2017, 04:02 PM | #10 |
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| Officer's Defense There has been a lot of talk about this incident but there is still a lot of grey area. 1) There is less than 2 minutes of home video from the security camera. 2) There is about the same time from the officer's body cam. 3) There is no sound from either. The dogs run up and the officer fires his duty weapon. He follows procedure and immediately calls the situation into the dispatcher. He leaves the backyard as instructed. The sound has now started. He pushed the mic key. 4) Were the dogs growling as they approached the officer? No one knows except the officer - maybe, as I said before it becomes muscle memory. It is now instinct. He may or may not have heard the dogs. 5) They were NOT both children. The one is an adult--she's 18 and employed. Therefore it was her responsibility to call the police department or just call the dogs to the house or call out to the officer. My vote would be to call the dogs back to the house. Then they would not have been injured. "▪▪She and her family were camping in Wisconsin while a friend watched the dogs ▪▪at LeMay’s home. LeMay’s daughters, ages 18 and 13, decided to come home ▪▪early because the 18-year-old was supposed to work an early shift at a fast-food ▪▪restaurant on Sunday morning." Why did she not notify the officer in the front yard about the dogs or call the dogs to her? Here's a question--did one of the 2 family members set the dogs on the officer? Whether the girls knew he was an officer or not? Don't think this does not happen. An officer in Arizona was mauled by the pit bull (which these dogs are) a family owned for protection. The officer's squad car was in plain sight and she called out that it was the sheriff's department. When this deputy was mauled she had to have major surgery. I'm sorry these dogs were injured but to say the officer is guilty of a horrible act may have been self defense. In my personal opinion the 18-year old is guilty of not controlling the dogs. Even if they are in your yard you are responsible for their actions. Another question: What if it had been a child that went over the fence to just pet the dog and the dogs charged them? Last statement and please take this the right way. I am not judging anyone but asking you to think about it only. I will NOT judge this officer or any other officer of anything (unless called to court) because l was not there; l did not see what happened; l did not hear what was said; l will NOT speak against any officer in any conversation. They need our Thanks instead of our condemnation every time they do their job. THEY ARE OUR ONLY LINE OF DEFENSE BETWEEN US AND EVIL. PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR TRUE HEROES. Please honor the HEROES. ▪▪▪▪▪▪▪ All First Responders are TRUE HEROES! |
08-14-2017, 04:09 PM | #11 |
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| Did the office go to the front door to inform the adult humans he was on the property and have them secure the dogs? We're the dogs in their own yard?
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08-15-2017, 03:41 AM | #12 | |
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08-15-2017, 06:22 AM | #13 |
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| People are human and make mistakes, including police officers. This is not the forum to prosecute either the dog owner OR the police officers involved, or to make idle speculations on what may or may not have happened. This case is being investigated by the appropriate authorities, and they will issue a final report when the investigation is finished. Until then, it is pointless to speculate or proclaim the innocence of any party involved. |
08-15-2017, 06:34 AM | #14 |
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08-15-2017, 08:22 AM | #15 |
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| I agree - this is Sorry, I am not available right now informational thing. None of us were there. It did spark a conversation with my local chief of police (he lives 2 doors down) and several,other officers (I live in the subdivision where most of the police officers seem to live) so that I could understand the laws and procedures that come into play in such a scenario. I learned a great deal - some I liked and some I didn't - but I also learned what to expect in such a situation from my local law enforcement folks (all of whom I think are great)! So consider this an information/learning opportunity for all of us!
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