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11-09-2017, 04:17 AM | #1 |
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| Going from Social to Sociopath I'll try to explain Piper's sudden aggression with visitors as succinctly as possible--for my sake as well as yours. I hold Piper when answering door for her safety and for human convenience. When door closes, I set Piper down and guest takes a seat. More often than not, Piper is curious and friendly--to the point she'll sit or lay next to that person. BUT...on two different occasions, one with guy and one with gal, when guest begins to stand, Piper has launched at them---fast and completely unexpected. I mean she goes from calm and social to BAM, lunatic launching. The first time this happened (w/guy), she also positioned herself in front of him barking and striking at his boots as he tried to walk forward. She didn't do this with the gal because I anticipated her action and I saw a little look in Piper's eyes, but the deterrent was a quick swat on her bottom and I hated that. I am very confused and concerned and truly need direction as to how I break her of this out-of-the-blue, zero to ninety aggressive behavior. Feel free to ask the hard questions, etc., because I am truly at a loss as to what to do or even where to start with helping Piper be her little Piper-y self in all circumstances. I am sincerely, hopefully grateful for your much-needed help. |
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11-09-2017, 10:03 AM | #2 |
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| What I notice with Duchess, there is something about a man's deep voice that will cause her to start barking at them. She doesn't attack them or anything like but she definitely feels threatened by them. However once she gets know them she is usually fine but she doesn't do this with women only with men. Duchess is pretty good with humans but she does get aggressive with other dogs which does have me concerned. |
11-09-2017, 10:08 AM | #3 |
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| Don’t swat her it’s agressive too so treating aggression with aggression isn’t going to work. Is it possible she could smell something like another dog on them? With aggression I prefer to have a trainer or behavioralist involved because it can go bad very quickly.
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11-09-2017, 11:02 AM | #4 |
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| One of my now passed girls also had a man thing, meaning, I believe it was their deep voice that scared her, she was a 9 pounder, but fearless, she would bite the back of their boots lol, but once she got to know them she was her sweet little flirty self.
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11-09-2017, 11:04 AM | #5 |
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| Oh no, I totally agree and couldn't believe I did it--Piper was in that zone-thing and I reacted too quickly, but not too harshly; it more surprised both Piper and me--nothing she really felt, but boy I sure did---awful. Piper is usually in the middle (like she always is, with everything) of us and is lovely and sweet until guest stands or makes, say, a sudden gesture and then Piper immediately goes at 'em (it's happened twice now) and she's getting too close to their faces--as they lean forward to stand and with Piper coming at 'em from the couch. It's a mystery to me. Do you think I should (try) keeping Piper off couch? I mean, anybody who drops by immediately pats couch, wanting to pet her. I'm at a loss. She looks so normal (and ok, I'm saying it again) so dang cute! |
11-09-2017, 09:43 PM | #6 |
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| Somehow I’m wondering if she is perceiving that as a aggresssive movement on the guests part. Wonder if it would be a good idea to put a leash on her when guest come so you would have some control if and when it happens. My Cali is pretty friendly but she will manage to keep herself between me and anyone she does not know. I think she sees her self as a protector - at 4 pounds
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11-13-2017, 01:18 AM | #7 |
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| Pippo doesn't really like men but goes overboard for women. I think it's a voice thing too. I'm just extra careful when men come. the leash idea is a good one |
11-13-2017, 08:17 AM | #8 |
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| I think that it is the voice a lot of the time, my daughter tends to get a bit loud sometimes laughing & talking so my little KaCee has decided that she don't like her and growls when DD comes by and she hears her,but she can go and start talking to her and she is fine
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11-13-2017, 09:55 AM | #9 |
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| Whenever somebody comes to door, before opening I pick Piper up so she won't run outside. As soon as everyone is safely inside, I set Pipe down and behave matter-of-factly. However, now I'm wondering if I shot myself in the foot and if holding her as guests come in has something to do with her aggression? The voice thing may play a part, but my friend Lana has a lovely 'lady' tone and Piper went for her, too. |
11-13-2017, 10:59 AM | #10 | |
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11-13-2017, 11:45 AM | #11 |
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| The suddenness of Piper's behavior is what throws me, as well; I cannot think of a thing that would cause this weird aggression. When guests stand, is Piper feeling threatened or is she trying to control? And no matter, what is my recourse? Leashing her has been suggested, but since leash = walk = best thing ever, I don't think it's an option. Piper seems to want attention from guests and is curious about them. She'll cozy up, but when they stand or gesture, Piper pounces and even if she is little, she's serious and scary (for visitors). Please know how very much I truly appreciate all the advice and suggestions; you all are the best! |
11-13-2017, 10:07 PM | #12 |
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| This is one of those times that I would bite the bullet and go to Cesar Milan's website and put the question to him. Maybe he would have a quick answer to help you deal with the situation without charging you for a house-call. Or maybe not but it would be worth a try. I am stumped by this. My Muffin only barks aggressively at my husband when he's sitting on his 'throne'. LOL |
11-14-2017, 08:13 AM | #13 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Lake Geneva, WI
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| Yesterday my friend, Julie, dropped in and I told her what Piper had been doing of late. I gave Julie a handful of training treats which she gave Piper off and on. When ready to leave, I made sure Julie gave Piper a treat and voila--no problem at all!! Pipe chomped treat, glanced at Julie, then looked at me. I'm hopeful, not fully convinced, but hopeful! |
11-14-2017, 03:43 PM | #14 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Lake Geneva, WI
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| Today when Lana visited, I handed her a few treats for Piper--which Piper conned her out of almost immediately...But the entire visit was aggression-free beginning to end. Now, the true test will be this weekend when my brother arrives; however, Piper will have to come to terms, as the three of us will be driving cross-country in a few days! Anyway, I remain cautiously optimistic that a calm acceptance can be restored to Piper's little psyche and therefore, our happy little home! Here's hoping that her behavior will be a sweet as her little countenance appears below! |
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