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FlyingNimbus · 05-05-2017, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

It was not necessarily about her just the comment about waiting until after 1 or 2 heats.

Oh, I tried finding the comments/posts but I am struggling to find them through my post history... So I guess its from the other dog forum. Not sure.

I just hope she ends up being healthy, and okay. I'd hate to see a dog get sick. Breaks my heart. Even hearing about people having to put their dogs down because they're too sick makes me feel conflicted and still breaks my heart. In a way it's a release from their pain and suffering; in another way death is a permanent thing... and it's probably just me projecting as it is a very delicate subject for me.. Just scares me. I wonder if wolves ever have these physical problems/health issues... or if its just a dog thing...

Lovetodream88 · 05-05-2017, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Oh ok, I'll have that done in the next visit (2 weeks from now). Just for the heads up, how much can a dental cost? Also what are the toothpaste for then? Does she need her dental done while sedated/sleeping or what?

They put them under anesthesia and price depends on a lot. Brushing works on new tarter but you have to brush daily or every other day.

FlyingNimbus · 05-05-2017, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

They put them under anesthesia and price depends on a lot. Brushing works on new tarter but you have to brush daily or every other day.

What about that toothpaste that says you dont even have to brush that it does its job on its own? Tbh, Id kind of hate to have to brush her teeth- on account that I dont know if she will bite or not.

Being bit-- even by a small dog is not fun at all.

matese · 05-06-2017, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

She was already spayed when we got her. They spayed her at the other shelter.

Not sure about what you said though, remember people on here making comments about waiting for atleast 1-2 heat cycles before spaying as it causes something with the vulvula or something... But-- it's already done and it's definitely way after her first cycle.

If she is already spayed why did you ask "How old must a dog be before conceiving?"

I don't know where you read members advised to wait 1 or 2 cycles before spaying. If you're going to give out advise make sure you give correct advise.

Lovetodream88 · 05-06-2017, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

What about that toothpaste that says you dont even have to brush that it does its job on its own? Tbh, Id kind of hate to have to brush her teeth- on account that I dont know if she will bite or not.

Being bit-- even by a small dog is not fun at all.

I always smart by letting them chew a bit on the tooth brush. You have to start small. There are certain tooth pastes that all you have to do it get on the teeth. My favorite one is CET.

FlyingNimbus · 05-06-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by matese

If she is already spayed why did you ask "How old must a dog be before conceiving?"

I don't know where you read members advised to wait 1 or 2 cycles before spaying. If you're going to give out advise make sure you give correct advise.

I am not giving the advice, I am actually questioning it. I have to find it, it might be that other forum I used before.

I found it;

Here is the link:

Looking for mini or toy poodle breeders in nj

and here is the particular quote:

"His name appears to be Thomas A. Becker.. "Wingold Yorkshire Terriers" and a basic read over his website looks pretty good. No big red flags to me.

Spaying has very very little to do with behavioral issues. While I fully understand and support the reasons and need to spay and neuter dogs coming through rescue and shelter AND for anyone that is not confident to keep an intact dog, I have not seen any current medical research that suggests spaying before first heat. Some dog training classes will only allow one intact dog at a time in a class, some dog daycares won't take intact dogs at all, and some boarding places have addition restrictions on intact dogs. Pyometra is a risk over time so I wouldn't leave a female intact her whole life personally, but 1 or 2 heats and full grown would be my preference if I were to purchase a puppy (mine are adult rescues). Full grown for a small breed is around 15-18 months give or take.

Registration papers are just saying the dog is pure bred basically. Allows options for competing in dog sports without having a dog neutered (Chester is AKC registered so we could do some sports but not conformation showing for example).

Breeding well costs money and there are a lot of risks for the momma dog and the pups too. But "teacup" and "micro" are just bad breeder advertising terms. "

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To be honest I recall 2 other people in there recommending the same. I apologize if it came off as me trying to advise about that; but my intentions were as to question. I question because of conflicting opinions. That forum in particular isn't a bad one either. SO I am not sure if it's just a personal preference or if there are actual studies that proves one or the other-- like hard core evidence.

Then again I am quite naive which is why I make it a habit to re-question what I think is already knowledge, as it maybe in fact incorrect.

I mean currently it has no effect on the outcome as the dog has already been spayed by them-- but it's more of like if there ever came a time where I was to get a dog again, or if one of my family members wanted one-- then I would like to be well informed so I could advise them properly if needed.

I mean currently, we're not having anymore dogs, but my siblings who live the a few towns over might eventually get a dog of their own(if they get a pet, it would definitely be a dog as it's what they have mentioned thus far).

I want to be well learned with everything... but the internet being the internet... truth sometimes are hidden among false information and/or lies... so it becomes a bit hard to discern fact from fiction when there's nearly different guides out there, and even with veterinarians have different opinions and facts... To top it off, being somewhat naive/gullible doesn't help the situation either.

FlyingNimbus · 05-06-2017, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I always smart by letting them chew a bit on the tooth brush. You have to start small. There are certain tooth pastes that all you have to do it get on the teeth. My favorite one is CET.

The one we got is made by the nylabone company and it's one that you just according to the instructions- lift up the cheek flaps(which she does not like) and put the nozzle near the teeth(not directly on but close enough spraying/foaming distance and it'll foam up in her mouth and she can swallow it- no rinsing required.

I only got one side with that- she did not like it done on her so I just poured some on my hand and she was weirded out by the fizzing/bubbling that she took a while to convince-- she still wont let me lift up her cheek flap. I guess I'll wait to have her get her teeth cleaned. But I wonder if there's an easier method of keeping her teeth clean without having to brush her teeth or lift up her flap. Like something she could essentially do by herself.

Lovetodream88 · 05-06-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

I am not giving the advice, I am actually questioning it. I have to find it, it might be that other forum I used before.

I found it;

Here is the link:

Looking for mini or toy poodle breeders in nj

and here is the particular quote:

"His name appears to be Thomas A. Becker.. "Wingold Yorkshire Terriers" and a basic read over his website looks pretty good. No big red flags to me.

Spaying has very very little to do with behavioral issues. While I fully understand and support the reasons and need to spay and neuter dogs coming through rescue and shelter AND for anyone that is not confident to keep an intact dog, I have not seen any current medical research that suggests spaying before first heat. Some dog training classes will only allow one intact dog at a time in a class, some dog daycares won't take intact dogs at all, and some boarding places have addition restrictions on intact dogs. Pyometra is a risk over time so I wouldn't leave a female intact her whole life personally, but 1 or 2 heats and full grown would be my preference if I were to purchase a puppy (mine are adult rescues). Full grown for a small breed is around 15-18 months give or take.

Registration papers are just saying the dog is pure bred basically. Allows options for competing in dog sports without having a dog neutered (Chester is AKC registered so we could do some sports but not conformation showing for example).

Breeding well costs money and there are a lot of risks for the momma dog and the pups too. But "teacup" and "micro" are just bad breeder advertising terms. "

--

To be honest I recall 2 other people in there recommending the same. I apologize if it came off as me trying to advise about that; but my intentions were as to question. I question because of conflicting opinions. That forum in particular isn't a bad one either. SO I am not sure if it's just a personal preference or if there are actual studies that proves one or the other-- like hard core evidence.

Then again I am quite naive which is why I make it a habit to re-question what I think is already knowledge, as it maybe in fact incorrect.

I mean currently it has no effect on the outcome as the dog has already been spayed by them-- but it's more of like if there ever came a time where I was to get a dog again, or if one of my family members wanted one-- then I would like to be well informed so I could advise them properly if needed.

I mean currently, we're not having anymore dogs, but my siblings who live the a few towns over might eventually get a dog of their own(if they get a pet, it would definitely be a dog as it's what they have mentioned thus far).

I want to be well learned with everything... but the internet being the internet... truth sometimes are hidden among false information and/or lies... so it becomes a bit hard to discern fact from fiction when there's nearly different guides out there, and even with veterinarians have different opinions and facts... To top it off, being somewhat naive/gullible doesn't help the situation either.

Small dogs are full grown normally by 8 months. When a female is spayed before their first heat their mammarys are not formed so there is no chance of mammary cancer but after that first heat they form and after every heat the chance of mammary cancer or tumor goes up significantly. It is much better to spay before their first heat. There also can be behavior issues like two unspayed females together can become very aggressive with each other. After every heat the chance of poymentra goes up and that's very often deadly.

Lovetodream88 · 05-06-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

The one we got is made by the nylabone company and it's one that you just according to the instructions- lift up the cheek flaps(which she does not like) and put the nozzle near the teeth(not directly on but close enough spraying/foaming distance and it'll foam up in her mouth and she can swallow it- no rinsing required.

I only got one side with that- she did not like it done on her so I just poured some on my hand and she was weirded out by the fizzing/bubbling that she took a while to convince-- she still wont let me lift up her cheek flap. I guess I'll wait to have her get her teeth cleaned. But I wonder if there's an easier method of keeping her teeth clean without having to brush her teeth or lift up her flap. Like something she could essentially do by herself.

Every day you need to work with her getting used to you touching her paws, looking at her teeth and checking her ears.

matese · 05-06-2017, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

I am not giving the advice, I am actually questioning it. I have to find it, it might be that other forum I used before.

I found it;

Here is the link:

Looking for mini or toy poodle breeders in nj

and here is the particular quote:

"His name appears to be Thomas A. Becker.. "Wingold Yorkshire Terriers" and a basic read over his website looks pretty good. No big red flags to me.

Spaying has very very little to do with behavioral issues. While I fully understand and support the reasons and need to spay and neuter dogs coming through rescue and shelter AND for anyone that is not confident to keep an intact dog, I have not seen any current medical research that suggests spaying before first heat. Some dog training classes will only allow one intact dog at a time in a class, some dog daycares won't take intact dogs at all, and some boarding places have addition restrictions on intact dogs. Pyometra is a risk over time so I wouldn't leave a female intact her whole life personally, but 1 or 2 heats and full grown would be my preference if I were to purchase a puppy (mine are adult rescues). Full grown for a small breed is around 15-18 months give or take.

Registration papers are just saying the dog is pure bred basically. Allows options for competing in dog sports without having a dog neutered (Chester is AKC registered so we could do some sports but not conformation showing for example).

Breeding well costs money and there are a lot of risks for the momma dog and the pups too. But "teacup" and "micro" are just bad breeder advertising terms. "

--

To be honest I recall 2 other people in there recommending the same. I apologize if it came off as me trying to advise about that; but my intentions were as to question. I question because of conflicting opinions. That forum in particular isn't a bad one either. SO I am not sure if it's just a personal preference or if there are actual studies that proves one or the other-- like hard core evidence.

Then again I am quite naive which is why I make it a habit to re-question what I think is already knowledge, as it maybe in fact incorrect.

I mean currently it has no effect on the outcome as the dog has already been spayed by them-- but it's more of like if there ever came a time where I was to get a dog again, or if one of my family members wanted one-- then I would like to be well informed so I could advise them properly if needed.

I mean currently, we're not having anymore dogs, but my siblings who live the a few towns over might eventually get a dog of their own(if they get a pet, it would definitely be a dog as it's what they have mentioned thus far).

I want to be well learned with everything... but the internet being the internet... truth sometimes are hidden among false information and/or lies... so it becomes a bit hard to discern fact from fiction when there's nearly different guides out there, and even with veterinarians have different opinions and facts... To top it off, being somewhat naive/gullible doesn't help the situation either.

That is HIS PREFERENCE not a Veterinarians . Veterinarians advise to spay before first heat, there are some people that prefer to wait until growth plates have closed and will spay on the second heat. That is the persons preference / choice not a Veterinarians.

FlyingNimbus · 05-06-2017, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by matese

That is HIS PREFERENCE not a Veterinarians . Veterinarians advise to spay before first heat, there are some people that prefer to wait until growth plates have closed and will spay on the second heat. That is the persons preference / choice not a Veterinarians.

I see, you are correct just wasnt sure eitherway

FlyingNimbus · 05-06-2017, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Every day you need to work with her getting used to you touching her paws, looking at her teeth and checking her ears.

I have been doing thus far. i know itll take time and it wont be done in a month but hopefully we'll get there. She's starting to understand the word "leave it" as well, just going to take time to enforce it and lots of patience.

FlyingNimbus · 05-06-2017, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Small dogs are full grown normally by 8 months. When a female is spayed before their first heat their mammarys are not formed so there is no chance of mammary cancer but after that first heat they form and after every heat the chance of mammary cancer or tumor goes up significantly. It is much better to spay before their first heat. There also can be behavior issues like two unspayed females together can become very aggressive with each other. After every heat the chance of poymentra goes up and that's very often deadly.

So the best time to spay would be around 6 months?