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feminvstr · 01-19-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by minniemn

I am not trying to offend either, just trying to understand something.

I have read on this forum hundreds of times by breeders to "breed to improve the breed and use only breed quality females"

From my understanding on this thread... red legged yorkies do NOT grow the full coat, it is a fault in their genes correct? so why would you breed a red legged yorkie to see what happens basically (see if you can breed the red leg fault out of her?) it really doesn't make sense to me.

I remember reading when someone wanted to breed a yorkie with a small underbite, and everyone jumped in saying "no" don't do it... you don't want to breed a yorkie with faults, even though this person was going to breed with a normal bite yorkie...

I just am trying to understand what nonstandard qualities are ok to breed and what are not?

From my understanding there is also something written regarding standard coat (silky, long ect) and a red legged yorkie seems to have a course coat that doesn't grow...

So then would it be ok to breed a cottony coat as long as you breed with a silky coat? a slight roach back as long as you breed with a straightline? a small overbite or underbite as long as it is with a normal bite dog?

If this is true, why do we read so many times when a person comes on the forum asking if their dog is breed quality do we see so many breeders saying "not in my opinion because they have this or that flaw?"

I have to say that all the yorkies on this thread are cute, pet standard- but are they really breed standard?

I guess my main reason for this question is I bred my cottony coat yorkie with a silky coat, and people were telling me on this forum that I should not breed a yorkie who isn't considered the "standard"....

I am not trying to upset anyone, just trying to understand....

coat texture can be corrected, there are many soft or cottony coated yorkies in the show ring and AKC champions. What you cant live with in a breeding program is underbite, over bite, roach back, poor conformation.

One of my studs Cappie is a cotton coat and has yet to throw a cotton coat kid, I have bred him to pure silk moms and results have been silk, very dark marking and coats.

minniemn · 01-19-2006, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

coat texture can be corrected, there are many soft or cottony coated yorkies in the show ring and AKC champions. What you cant live with in a breeding program is underbite, over bite, roach back, poor conformation.

One of my studs Cappie is a cotton coat and has yet to throw a cotton coat kid, I have bred him to pure silk moms and results have been silk, very dark marking and coats.

Ok Thanks

my puppies ended up with a silkier (sp) coat also... thank you for answering my question... good luck with your breeding her.

YorkieRose · 01-19-2006, 09:34 AM

In order to correct a fault, we do not do this by breeding another fault to correct a fault. Remember, a big part of breeding is common sense!!

If the gold is too light, breeding to a "red legged" Yorkies will give you more pups with color faults, it will not give you a line of rich gold pups...breeding dogs is not merely a blending of genes. It is not like taking a blob of white painting and adding drops of color until you achieve the correct shade you want..that works for artists, not dog breeders.

If a color is too light or too dark, you correct it by breeding to a stud with a correct color. You do not take a pale silver bitch and breed to a male as black as coal..that will NOT give you blue...a light gold bred to red will not give you correct tri-colored gold..two faults or two wrongs do not produce a right..and folks is basis dog breeding 101.
If these things were not true, then order to correct an underbite we would breed to a dog with an overbite and expect pups with a correct bite..the only way to correct a bad bite or bad color is to breed to correct color or bite.

YorkieRose · 01-19-2006, 09:39 AM

PS...and we can use incorrect coat or color in a breeding program..and we may get some great pups, but you will find the fault will show up again, might not be in the next generation..as a rule it skips to the 3rd...that why a person can buy a pup from two silk coated parents and get cotton from that offspring...one of the grandparents was cotton...and I agree, you keep the faults you can live with..color and coat is not life threathening.

feminvstr · 01-19-2006, 10:22 AM

a red leg from my understanding is a throw back, Ive never heard of a litter of redlegged puppies. In any breeding you can produce modified coats in different degrees and pure silk coat in the same litter because of a throw back which is no different.

Breeding silk to silk can throw back most anything as well, perhaps the odds are less I dont believe there is anything written to support either or to guarantee that every single time you will get pure silk.

Pat then what youre suggesting breeding Mercedes is a risk in coat texture she is silk, mom was silk, the modified is on the dad side and prevelant in the so-sweet line. There is a chance her kids may be modified but I bred her to a pure gun metal blue silk, I want dark kids not tan/silver so I chose to do it. If this is the only fault at risk then I am jumping off the bridge into the water.

Breeding Hannah to someone that is both lighter/darker intermingled in color not pure in his gold/tan markings, eye rims, etc then I think its worth a try. Oh and BTW she came from a silk to silk breeding.

An example is summer/ransoms dad he has two colors in his markings and has zero "no" black eye rim, those are faults yet he had no problem championing.

just my 2 1/2 cents

YorkieRose · 01-19-2006, 01:21 PM

What I am saying is...breed the fault you can accept. I can accept a color or texture fault over a structure fault or health fault. Yes, two silk parents can produce a cotton pup, because most likely one of the grandparents is cotton...but when you have silk grandparents also, then you are going to rarely see cotton..you may get a silk that is not a good a textured silk as ideal, but those cotton, wooly coats will be gone.
If you have silk grandparents and parents..then you take a silk pup from these dogs and breed it to cotton aren't we are taking a step backways? I would take a cotton bitch and breed it to a silk male. I would not breed a silk bitch to a cotton male. Just when a breeder is on the verge of stepping through a doorway of improvement, they step back.
RED LEG is very different to me...

If you breed a "red legged" Yorkie you may not see any in that litter or you may see one..but the gene remains..each time you breed from those pups you have no clue when it will pop up again. Mother Nature shoves so many unexpected things at us, I perfer not to give her any help in the that way.LOL

I would not hestiate to breed a Yorkie who is too light or too dark..I would not breed one with a grow that will not grow..now you have introduced two major faults..no coat and wrong color.
People expect a long coat..it may not be correct in color, but the coat is a major point in being drawn to a Yorkie IMO..JMO LOL Only my opinion LOL

mypreciouspups · 04-12-2009, 07:58 PM

Interesting thread...enjoyed reading this information... anne

SophieKatesMom · 04-13-2009, 06:04 AM

From reading this thread I think Sophie Kate might be a red leg Yorkie. Her legs are very goldish red toned and her hair is wirey and doesn't grow very fast (exception would be the hair on her head and face).

Thats cool, Sophie Kate is a pet and not used for Breeding. We love her just the way she is. I keep her face and body cut very short but have noticed her face and top of her head seems to grow faster.

Good information and OP your puppy is very cute.

Gennies · 04-13-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Interesting thread...enjoyed reading this information... anne

I agree with you. What an interesting post. I've always wondered what the term "red legged" was about. Thanks for posting and bumping it up!

HendrixandLucy · 10-22-2009, 09:52 PM

My little Lucy has the very thin, wirey hair that seems to be related with the "red-legged" yorkies..... however she does not have any deep red color.

Her hair is very short. Very thin and feels super wirey. I think it is really cute, but I am just wondering if that is normal.

adamsmom729 · 01-19-2010, 08:45 AM

My Sams hair is CRAZY

He'll be 7 mnths on the 24th and the hair on his body and legs is between an inch and 2 inches...but there is very little on his head except but under his chin...he has a white beard

I'd love for it to grow a little longer so people will quit saying "he's not a yorkie" but I love him just the same

florencelisa · 01-19-2010, 11:31 AM

Romeo is handsome!! I've never seen a red legged yorkie before reading this thread. SO much to I haven't heard of till YT. Amazing.

tortoisekeeper · 01-19-2010, 12:07 PM

Here is something I found about them. http://www.yorkiesllc.com/yorkieinfo...dcoloring.html

dgarza49 · 02-28-2011, 02:55 PM

I am not sure if yours is a red legged Yorkie, but I sure would like to know since it looks like the 4.5 month old I have. She started loosing her long coat, the ear hair isn't growing either. Her legs lost their hair and have more hair growing in, but not growing very fast. Her coat is pretty thin. Did yours loose a lot of hair too? I don't remember the other Yorkie puppy ever loosing it's hair like this.

01-19-2006, 09:34 AM	#33
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	red legs In order to correct a fault, we do not do this by breeding another fault to correct a fault. Remember, a big part of breeding is common sense!! If the gold is too light, breeding to a "red legged" Yorkies will give you more pups with color faults, it will not give you a line of rich gold pups...breeding dogs is not merely a blending of genes. It is not like taking a blob of white painting and adding drops of color until you achieve the correct shade you want..that works for artists, not dog breeders. If a color is too light or too dark, you correct it by breeding to a stud with a correct color. You do not take a pale silver bitch and breed to a male as black as coal..that will NOT give you blue...a light gold bred to red will not give you correct tri-colored gold..two faults or two wrongs do not produce a right..and folks is basis dog breeding 101. If these things were not true, then order to correct an underbite we would breed to a dog with an overbite and expect pups with a correct bite..the only way to correct a bad bite or bad color is to breed to correct color or bite.

01-19-2006, 09:39 AM	#34
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Ps PS...and we can use incorrect coat or color in a breeding program..and we may get some great pups, but you will find the fault will show up again, might not be in the next generation..as a rule it skips to the 3rd...that why a person can buy a pup from two silk coated parents and get cotton from that offspring...one of the grandparents was cotton...and I agree, you keep the faults you can live with..color and coat is not life threathening.

01-19-2006, 10:22 AM	#35
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	a red leg from my understanding is a throw back, Ive never heard of a litter of redlegged puppies. In any breeding you can produce modified coats in different degrees and pure silk coat in the same litter because of a throw back which is no different. Breeding silk to silk can throw back most anything as well, perhaps the odds are less I dont believe there is anything written to support either or to guarantee that every single time you will get pure silk. Pat then what youre suggesting breeding Mercedes is a risk in coat texture she is silk, mom was silk, the modified is on the dad side and prevelant in the so-sweet line. There is a chance her kids may be modified but I bred her to a pure gun metal blue silk, I want dark kids not tan/silver so I chose to do it. If this is the only fault at risk then I am jumping off the bridge into the water. Breeding Hannah to someone that is both lighter/darker intermingled in color not pure in his gold/tan markings, eye rims, etc then I think its worth a try. Oh and BTW she came from a silk to silk breeding. An example is summer/ransoms dad he has two colors in his markings and has zero "no" black eye rim, those are faults yet he had no problem championing. just my 2 1/2 cents __________________ Kimberly

01-19-2006, 01:21 PM	#36
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	question What I am saying is...breed the fault you can accept. I can accept a color or texture fault over a structure fault or health fault. Yes, two silk parents can produce a cotton pup, because most likely one of the grandparents is cotton...but when you have silk grandparents also, then you are going to rarely see cotton..you may get a silk that is not a good a textured silk as ideal, but those cotton, wooly coats will be gone. If you have silk grandparents and parents..then you take a silk pup from these dogs and breed it to cotton aren't we are taking a step backways? I would take a cotton bitch and breed it to a silk male. I would not breed a silk bitch to a cotton male. Just when a breeder is on the verge of stepping through a doorway of improvement, they step back. RED LEG is very different to me... If you breed a "red legged" Yorkie you may not see any in that litter or you may see one..but the gene remains..each time you breed from those pups you have no clue when it will pop up again. Mother Nature shoves so many unexpected things at us, I perfer not to give her any help in the that way.LOL I would not hestiate to breed a Yorkie who is too light or too dark..I would not breed one with a grow that will not grow..now you have introduced two major faults..no coat and wrong color. People expect a long coat..it may not be correct in color, but the coat is a major point in being drawn to a Yorkie IMO..JMO LOL Only my opinion LOL

04-13-2009, 06:04 AM	#38
SophieKatesMom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 3,242	From reading this thread I think Sophie Kate might be a red leg Yorkie. Her legs are very goldish red toned and her hair is wirey and doesn't grow very fast (exception would be the hair on her head and face). Thats cool, Sophie Kate is a pet and not used for Breeding. We love her just the way she is. I keep her face and body cut very short but have noticed her face and top of her head seems to grow faster. Good information and OP your puppy is very cute. __________________ Cheryl,Mom to SophieKate

04-12-2009, 07:58 PM	#37
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 5,514	Interesting thread...enjoyed reading this information... anne

10-22-2009, 09:52 PM	#40
HendrixandLucy Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 234	hmmmm? My little Lucy has the very thin, wirey hair that seems to be related with the "red-legged" yorkies..... however she does not have any deep red color. Her hair is very short. Very thin and feels super wirey. I think it is really cute, but I am just wondering if that is normal.

01-19-2010, 08:45 AM	#41
adamsmom729 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: warren michigan usa Posts: 52	My Sams hair is CRAZY He'll be 7 mnths on the 24th and the hair on his body and legs is between an inch and 2 inches...but there is very little on his head except but under his chin...he has a white beard I'd love for it to grow a little longer so people will quit saying "he's not a yorkie" but I love him just the same

01-19-2010, 11:31 AM	#42
florencelisa Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 249 Blog Entries: 9	Romeo is handsome!! I've never seen a red legged yorkie before reading this thread. SO much to I haven't heard of till YT. Amazing. __________________ Proud Mommy of Lewie & Manolo

01-19-2010, 12:07 PM	#43
tortoisekeeper Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Metairie Louisisna Posts: 1,088	Here is something I found about them. http://www.yorkiesllc.com/yorkieinfo...dcoloring.html __________________ Betty and the 4 Brats! Wanna Yorkie Cave? Click Here!

02-28-2011, 02:55 PM	#44
dgarza49 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: clarkston, Michigan, USA Posts: 8	I am not sure if yours is a red legged Yorkie, but I sure would like to know since it looks like the 4.5 month old I have. She started loosing her long coat, the ear hair isn't growing either. Her legs lost their hair and have more hair growing in, but not growing very fast. Her coat is pretty thin. Did yours loose a lot of hair too? I don't remember the other Yorkie puppy ever loosing it's hair like this.