Off Leash Dogs, grrrrr

[matese]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

Wasp spray can get you into trouble. Not recommended by manufacture.
So it brings up a liability. snopes.com: Wasp Spray for Self-Defense?

Not meaning to sound rude, no one said it is to be used on an attacker, however, if someone is trying to break into my home, the spray would be used..... Back to dog walking.....
If a stray unknown dog approaches me in a manner I feel is dangerous....He's gonna get sprayed. In my situation unfortunately I believe Cody may be dog aggressive, so said his obedience instructor, while attending obedience sessions Cody would lunge at the dog used for these sessions, instructor said he was staring down the other dog, which is a sign of challenge, this is dangerous for Cody on walks if another dog approaches, Cody could set off another dog into attack mode, so I will do what I need to do to protect my dog.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by matese

Not meaning to sound rude, no one said it is to be used on an attacker, however, if someone is trying to break into my home, the spray would be used..... Back to dog walking.....
If a stray unknown dog approaches me in a manner I feel is dangerous....He's gonna get sprayed. In my situation unfortunately I believe Cody may be dog aggressive, so said his obedience instructor, while attending obedience sessions Cody would lunge at the dog used for these sessions, instructor said he was staring down the other dog, which is a sign of challenge, this is dangerous for Cody on walks if another dog approaches, Cody could set off another dog into attack mode, so I will do what I need to do to protect my dog.

If you read the post about wasp spray. YES they do mention using them on dogs. Using them in your house is the same.I'm just saying you will get into more trouble with that then using a handgun.Depending on the State. U need to choose your self defense. wisely. This is my fortay. Protecting your dogs is serious. I have been charge 3x without seeing it coming. And I always though it would never happen because I always know my surroundings.

[Doodlebug]

I think I am going to call the police department in the municipality where I walk my dogs and see what is legal and see what they suggest. My hubby just bought a gun and we have to take shooting class and get our conceal carry permits. Neither of us has shot before but we think it is time we learn. I have always been afraid of guns. Just holding one makes me nervous. Not planning to use it on a dog unless it is a life threatening situation.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

I think I am going to call the police department in the municipality where I walk my dogs and see what is legal and see what they suggest. My hubby just bought a gun and we have to take shooting class and get our conceal carry permits. Neither of us has shot before but we think it is time we learn. I have always been afraid of guns. Just holding one makes me nervous. Not planning to use it on a dog unless it is a life threatening situation.

You need to research your local laws. EDC a firearm is serious. Get lost of range time most important. Serious training. Ppl shoot themselves without it. Just remember the 5 rules of gun safety. Most important is finger never on the trigger. Thats the best safety. And a good holster. And lots of training.A firearm will ruin your World if you don't know the laws.

[matese]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

If you read the post about wasp spray. YES they do mention using them on dogs. Using them in your house is the same.I'm just saying you will get into more trouble with that then using a handgun.Depending on the State. U need to choose your self defense. wisely. This is my fortay. Protecting your dogs is serious. I have been charge 3x without seeing it coming. And I always though it would never happen because I always know my surroundings.

I hear ya, but, I am talking about stray dogs, not a person walking dog off leash, off leash with owner in sight I pick my boy up. If their dog comes towards me there is the owner to call their dog back. I am talking about being alone. walking my dog. There are not many ppl dog walking in my community, dogs are kept in yards behind fence, there are no ppl strolling the roads, no ppl in sight to help if my dog gets attacked, it's just me, my dog and the other dog. But on occasions we do get strays in here, even hybrid coyotes, using wasp spray on a stray dog I don't think the dog is gonna go home and say hey, mom, dad I was roaming around at blah, blah,blah and this lady sprayed me with wasp spray, then lead them to my house. In my community the few ppl that I have seen walking their dog, they are always on leash. I do thank you for the heads up,everyone will benefit from it, but for me, in the almost rural area where I live, it's the wasp spray for me. This is the only place that I carry it. Like I already wrote, I don't advise anyone to use it,but it's what I use.

[Doodlebug]

I agree. I don't think my husband ever held a gun before. I told him to never point a gun, even unloaded, towards a person. He was looking at the gun turning it over inspecting it and I had to tell him FOUR TIMES within five minutes that he was pointing it right at my head. We don't have any ammo yet. Thank God. I AM really nervous about it. REALLY nervous.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

I agree. I don't think my husband ever held a gun before. I told him to never point a gun, even unloaded, towards a person. He was looking at the gun turning it over inspecting it and I had to tell him FOUR TIMES within five minutes that he was pointing it right at my head. We don't have any ammo yet. Thank God. I AM really nervous about it. REALLY nervous.

Yeah don't load it till you get training...4 main rules
1. Treat every firearm as if it's loaded.

Even if you're absolutely certain a gun is unloaded, still follow these rules for safe gun handling. You want these rules to be natural habits; holding yourself to them each and every time helps make them so.
2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Accept the mindset to always keep your gun pointed in a direction that would safely stop the bullet should it discharge. At an ADTA event, if you're not on the firing line, your gun should stay holstered muzzle-down, cased, or locked open and pointing down and away from people. If you're on the firing line, your gun should stay pointed downrange, at the bullet trap backstop at the end of the range. If you will be cleaning or handling your unloaded gun at home, find a safe direction ahead of time -- bullets penetrate floors, ceiling, windows, and walls. Masonry, a full bookcase, a full freezer, downward (if you're on the ground floor), or even a five gallon bucket of sand may be good options.
3. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

You are responsible for the entire path of every bullet you fire from your gun. If you hit your intended target, the bullet may still continue through. ADTA live-fire events are conducted at locations with designated bullet trap backstops or berms to help contain rounds to the intended range area; you are responsible for only aiming in directions where you can be assured the bullet will be safely stopped.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.

At ADTA events, when you're holding a gun but not shooting, you'll hear us ask you to "index" your trigger finger. This means to keep your trigger finger straight, and to raise it up to rest flat alongside the body of your gun. Whenever you are not on target and ready to fire, your trigger finger should always be outside the trigger guard and resting straight and flat alongside the body of your gun.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by matese

I hear ya, but, I am talking about stray dogs, not a person walking dog off leash, off leash with owner in sight I pick my boy up. If their dog comes towards me there is the owner to call their dog back. I am talking about being alone. walking my dog. There are not many ppl dog walking in my community, dogs are kept in yards behind fence, there are no ppl strolling the roads, no ppl in sight to help if my dog gets attacked, it's just me, my dog and the other dog. But on occasions we do get strays in here, even hybrid coyotes, using wasp spray on a stray dog I don't think the dog is gonna go home and say hey, mom, dad I was roaming around at blah, blah,blah and this lady sprayed me with wasp spray, then lead them to my house. In my community the few ppl that I have seen walking their dog, they are always on leash. I do thank you for the heads up,everyone will benefit from it, but for me, in the almost rural area where I live, it's the wasp spray for me. This is the only place that I carry it. Like I already wrote, I don't advise anyone to use it,but it's what I use.

Do what you do. I was just pointing out what can happen...For ppl in the Big City its not a good idea. Everyone makes there own choices. They don't all need to be the same

[Doodlebug]

He really bought the gun for home protection. To keep near the bed and shoot if someone comes in the house at night. I don't think we will take it to the park but we need to learn to use it, and learn gun safety, that's for sure.

Mike, thanks for posting the precautions.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

I agree. I don't think my husband ever held a gun before. I told him to never point a gun, even unloaded, towards a person. He was looking at the gun turning it over inspecting it and I had to tell him FOUR TIMES within five minutes that he was pointing it right at my head. We don't have any ammo yet. Thank God. I AM really nervous about it. REALLY nervous.

Also you own that bullet. Its your total responsibility. You shoot it where ever it goes. If you shoot in self defence and miss. You responsible for anything it destroys.

[Doodlebug]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

Also you own that bullet. Its your total responsibility. You shoot it where ever it goes. If you shoot in self defence and miss. You responsible for anything it destroys.

Wow, a lot of responsibility. Just thinking that a bullet could go through our wall into the house next door and kill their baby scares me. I think I want to take the gun back and take our chances on the home invasion thing. I'm serious.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

Wow, a lot of responsibility. Just thinking that a bullet could go through our wall into the house next door and kill their baby scares me. I think I want to take the gun back and take our chances on the home invasion thing. I'm serious.

No.. what caliber?? Use Hollow points. They were made NOT to over penetrate. You practice with FMJ because the are cheap. Don't let me scare you. Just get some range time. With training you will be safe. i was just making a point not to be careless.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

No.. what caliber?? Use Hollow points. They were made NOT to over penetrate. You practice with FMJ because the are cheap. Don't let me scare you. Just get some range time. With training you will be safe. i was just making a point not to be careless.

We were raised shooting and my father drove home every point you just made. I have five young children and honestly have a lot of hesitation with toy guns even because those basic precautions are driving so strongly in my mind. I work in livestock an see dumb young men pointing pellet guns in the most stupid, thoughtless directions you could imagine (I'm right here!) somebody never taught them, thank you for your good sense precautionary statements. Had a friend die of accidental discharge during cleaning last year- sad stories. Competent training creates fire arm safety, your advocacy for appropriate managment and safety training is appreciated.

[Doodlebug]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

No.. what caliber?? Use Hollow points. They were made NOT to over penetrate. You practice with FMJ because the are cheap. Don't let me scare you. Just get some range time. With training you will be safe. i was just making a point not to be careless.

Mike, I sent you a pm about the gun. Thanks for all of the advice.