Urgent please

[tsingh]

Okay so we all agree that there are different types of PT. Please lets focus on our fur babies, and how we can as a community help one another out.

This has been the hardest couple of weeks for me, but i want to state I couldn't' have done it with each and everyone of you.

Loki is my first pet. I have never owned one prior to him. I am learning everyday with him, and Yes I might be a little over the top with him, but who cares- his MY baby and I am going to love him to death.

Your advices have been awesome. Please just help me during this very hard time of my life.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by gemy

Maybe, but we have always and I have had more than 5 dogs do PT for one reason or another started off with the life vest even for walking in the water. First the life vest adds a bit of flotation which decreases the amount of weight bearing through the legs. And yes I have done underwater treadmill work for almost 10 yrs now.


And at some point the underwater treadmill walking will progress to swimming; they add in more water to make that happen.


I just took Dara in for physical conditioning on the underwater treadmill, she did 3 miles of walking/trotting, treadmill work, with her life vest on, and then 10 minutes of swimming - not so effective for a large dog in the small underwater treadmill equipment.


I re-iterate while I have only seen two different physios over the course of 10 years, will always put the lifevest on the dog for the first session if not more sessions. Better to be safe than sorry is my opinion.


I am sorry that my experiences do not match up to yours, I can only repeat that things can be done differently.

See that's how yours was different, mine did not progress to swimming just walking on the water treadmills.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by gemy

Maybe, but we have always and I have had more than 5 dogs do PT for one reason or another started off with the life vest even for walking in the water. First the life vest adds a bit of flotation which decreases the amount of weight bearing through the legs. And yes I have done underwater treadmill work for almost 10 yrs now.


And at some point the underwater treadmill walking will progress to swimming; they add in more water to make that happen.


I just took Dara in for physical conditioning on the underwater treadmill, she did 3 miles of walking/trotting, treadmill work, with her life vest on, and then 10 minutes of swimming - not so effective for a large dog in the small underwater treadmill equipment.


I re-iterate while I have only seen two different physios over the course of 10 years, will always put the lifevest on the dog for the first session if not more sessions. Better to be safe than sorry is my opinion.


I am sorry that my experiences do not match up to yours, I can only repeat that things can be done differently.

YES, and that is what Taylor was saying...and what I was saying. Things can be done differently.

As for raising the water over the head of a pup on a treadmill...sorry but it makes no sense to me. That is swimming and you don't need a treadmill for that.

[tsingh]

Funny story---lol

I called two different Orthopedic surgeons offices to set an apt to see a 3rd opinion on Lokis matters and I KID you not- do you know what both offices said...

Me- "Hi I could like to set an apt for my dog, as he is be diagnosed with Bilateral HD+ MPL- and I have an apt for a surgery already set for him.. the surgery will be FHO in conjunction with MPL correction" "I would like a second opinion please".

1st vet- Well, we can do that surgery but the best person to refer you to is DR. HOWARD (LOL that is who lokis surgery is with)

2. Vet- Yes, we can go ahead and set that apt, if we cant help you then we would refer you to Dr. HOWARD. LOL

two different places both referring me back to the same doc..

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by tsingh

Funny story---lol

I called two different Orthopedic surgeons offices to set an apt to see a 3rd opinion on Lokis matters and I KID you not- do you know what both offices said...

Me- "Hi I could like to set an apt for my dog, as he is be diagnosed with Bilateral HD+ MPL- and I have an apt for a surgery already set for him.. the surgery will be FHO in conjunction with MPL correction" "I would like a second opinion please".

1st vet- Well, we can do that surgery but the best person to refer you to is DR. HOWARD (LOL that is who lokis surgery is with)

2. Vet- Yes, we can go ahead and set that apt, if we cant help you then we would refer you to Dr. HOWARD. LOL

two different places both referring me back to the same doc..

Are you calling orthopedic specialists or regular vets?

[tsingh]

Orthopedic specialist

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by tsingh

Orthopedic specialist

That seems weird that they would refer you to a different one. Generally though when getting a second opinion you don't tell them what another vet has said you let them see what they can see or most will just agree with the other one.

[tsingh]

I didn't say what doc diagnosed him, but i did state what they stated he was diagnosed with ..

Danit - that's where I messed up. SHOOT- Yes, you are right that makes sense.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

YES, and that is what Taylor was saying...and what I was saying. Things can be done differently.

As for raising the water over the head of a pup on a treadmill...sorry but it makes no sense to me. That is swimming and you don't need a treadmill for that.

Actually that was what I was saying things can be done differently so glad we agree here!


You don\t need to raise the level of water over the dogs head for swimming , geesh, you just raise the level of water so that the feet don't touch the ground.


For many folks there are not indoor doggey swimming pools, so underwater treadmills are an option, which is why on this $50K piece of equipment you are able to raise the level of the water so that a dog can actually swim in it.... And BTW a large breed dog can swim in it.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by gemy

Actually that was what I was saying things can be done differently so glad we agree here!


You dont need to raise the level of water over the dogs head for swimming , geesh, you just raise the level of water so that the feet don't touch the ground.


For many folks there are not indoor doggey swimming pools, so underwater treadmills are an option, which is why on this $50K piece of equipment you are able to raise the level of the water so that a dog can actually swim in it.... And BTW a large breed dog can swim in it.

I'm sure it's also different for what kind of PT it is and what surgery was done and such.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by tsingh

Funny story---lol

I called two different Orthopedic surgeons offices to set an apt to see a 3rd opinion on Lokis matters and I KID you not- do you know what both offices said...

Me- "Hi I could like to set an apt for my dog, as he is be diagnosed with Bilateral HD+ MPL- and I have an apt for a surgery already set for him.. the surgery will be FHO in conjunction with MPL correction" "I would like a second opinion please".

1st vet- Well, we can do that surgery but the best person to refer you to is DR. HOWARD (LOL that is who lokis surgery is with)

2. Vet- Yes, we can go ahead and set that apt, if we cant help you then we would refer you to Dr. HOWARD. LOL

two different places both referring me back to the same doc..

That is pretty comforting to hear, I can't remember but was Dr HOward the non board certified vet that did the first TPLO surgery or some such?


Here is the link again to all board certified surgeons in Oregon:


https://online.acvs.org/acvsssa/rfls...al.result_page

[tsingh]

His non certified, but his partner is certified. Actually both reviewed and checked him out...
That link didn't bring anything up. Can you send again- please..

[Lovetodream88]

You might want to look into kongs you can Google recipes for them were you can freeze it and it will keep him busy for awhile in the pen.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tsingh

Funny story---lol

I called two different Orthopedic surgeons offices to set an apt to see a 3rd opinion on Lokis matters and I KID you not- do you know what both offices said...

Me- "Hi I could like to set an apt for my dog, as he is be diagnosed with Bilateral HD+ MPL- and I have an apt for a surgery already set for him.. the surgery will be FHO in conjunction with MPL correction" "I would like a second opinion please".

1st vet- Well, we can do that surgery but the best person to refer you to is DR. HOWARD (LOL that is who lokis surgery is with)

2. Vet- Yes, we can go ahead and set that apt, if we cant help you then we would refer you to Dr. HOWARD. LOL

two different places both referring me back to the same doc..

I don't even see a Dr. Howard on the ACVS website. Are you sure this is a board certified surgeon?

You can find a board certified surgeon on this website: www.acvs.org

I would never, ever allow a vet who is not board certified to do all these operations on my pup. We had a pup in YHR about a year ago where a vet said the very same thing....the pup needed surgery on both hips and both knees. He told the foster home he would give us a "break" . We had the foster home bring the pup to our boarded surgeon and found out that not one shoulder or knee needed repair!! This is serious stuff...general vets tend to think these surgeries are necessary and sadly some see yorkies as money makers because of the knees. Not saying they all do it, but please be wary. I am very concerned about these surgeries that are being suggested on your pup. Hip dysplasia in a small dog is not like in a large dog....and as I said before, I have a pup with it and she is fine .. she only had to have one hip done and that was as an adult.

Here are some names I found and there are a few more.

Steven L. Peterson, DVM, MS, MD, DACVS
Staff Hand Surgeon
Portland Veterans Administration Medical Center
3710 SW US Vetrn Hosp Rd
Portland, OR 97239-2964
Phone: (406) 531-0500
Fax:
Email: slpdvmmd@aol.com

Looks like he is a doctor and a vet??

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Timothy A. Munjar, DVM, DACVS
Veterinary Surgical Ctr of Portland
10245 SW Park Way
Portland, OR 97225-5009
Phone: (503) 292-0931
Email: tmunjar@vscpdx.com
Web: Veterinary Surgical Center of Portland

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Amelia McTyeire Simpson, DVM, DACVS-SA
Veterinary Surgical Center of Portland
10245 SW Park Way
Portland, OR 97225-5009
Phone: (503) 292-0931
Email: asimpson@vscpdx.com
Web: Veterinary Surgical Center of Portland

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[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by gemy

Actually that was what I was saying things can be done differently so glad we agree here!


You dont need to raise the level of water over the dogs head for swimming , geesh, you just raise the level of water so that the feet don't touch the ground.


For many folks there are not indoor doggey swimming pools, so underwater treadmills are an option, which is why on this $50K piece of equipment you are able to raise the level of the water so that a dog can actually swim in it.... And BTW a large breed dog can swim in it.

Which is totally different. There is no reason to have them in the tank with a treadmill if you are doing that. The point is for them to walk on the treadmill with resistance.

I think you are talking about something very different. You didn't say if you looked at the links/photos I provided.

I am finished though. Bottom line, it is not standard to do PT on every surgical case. That's really basically what I was saying and that with the therapy Taylor was referring to a life jacket is not needed.