vet school vs pvt. personal vet WARNING long post

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by matese

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OK...for some reason, your post is not coming through on a quote...but here is my latest response.


Actually, your exact words were that I was "bashing" your vet which is simply not true.

As to your remarks about me not posting, I assume you know that you cannot pick and choose who comments on your thread. You said you won't read my comments...suits me just fine. I was not posting for MY benefit. I was merely trying to help but you choose to put some other meaning into it all. If you don't read my posts, you might miss something that you could use, but hey...it's your call.

YOU are the one who is inciting things here. People from the very beginning, myself included, have tried to help you help Cody.

Now to rant and rave that I am a bully? Come on...be a bit more original. That is an old story and so untrue. I simply answer posts from people to CLARIFY as best I can....and sometimes they don't really want clarification. They would rather assume what they want to assume. You will find that what you see is what you get with me...I don't sugar coat things. I tell the truth as I see it. It is not meant as harmful. As I said earlier....I have TRIED TO HELP CODY throughout this thread.

[TxVicki]

Good Grief matese you need to learn how to quote correctly.

[matese]

Originally Posted by maggiefromnj

It's good you took the samples. You might just want to ask what they showed, if anything.

I didn’t have to ask, I was told, but I am not going to post what was told to me, my simple confused question of "VET SCHOOL VS PVT. PERSONAL VET" was answered, Members gave me excellent advise & suggestions. My vet has been attacked (indirectly not in so many words) if I were to post what my vet told me about the stool samples collected at diff. times, all the "wannabe's would jump all over my butt and insult my vet. My vet is TOP NOTCH in my county even tho that would be disputed by some "wannabe" Members. I will say 98% of YT members are extremely medically knowledgeable, polite, and willing to share their knowledge. All YT (including the wannabe’s) members are concerned for all yorkies, that is why YT is successful. Thank you for reading my thread and your advise, hoping to see you more often, I see we are practically neighbors.

[maggiefromnj]

Maltese, please don't be insulted, but on a human level....someone I know had a hip replacement and they went to some county hospital here in NJ. It was a fine hospital but I could never understand why they didn't go to the hospitals in Philly. It was a complicated hip replacement and I was surprised. Local doctors can be great, my dad was one and he saved a lot of people, but there are times when you have to call in the big guns. He has some symptoms now that even the the big hospitals can't figure out. Sometimes a dr just can't solve it alone. If I were sick I would want to see the best of the best, not just the best in my town. I think people are telling you that as great as your vet may be, that her resources are more limited, and often multiple consults are needed on a case.

Btw, Maggie has had bouts of what look like colitis, mucous blobs in her poo. Usually only a few times and usually after stressful situations or new foods.

Folks here really do mean well. They are more concerned about your pup, however, than your feelings. As you said, take from their comments what you need and disregard the rest. Some of them really know a LOT, they rescue and save some very sick dogs at much of their own expense. Their experience can be very valuable. I post on another site (non pet) and the some of the people there are very judge mental and must all have perfect honorable moral lives and children. I try to ignore them too!

[Ellie May]

I'm not one to do this for several reasons, but this has gotten ridiculous. So lets go back to the anesthesia thread started recently. The following quote was originally posted on 3/5. Note here the dog had seen the vet every 2 weeks since adoption which clearly is different from what was stated today.

Originally Posted by matese

thanks for the heads up. I have the BEST vet in my county, I am assuming she has blood work done before any surgery, but I am NOT going to ASSUME anymore, am going to ask if they do it, if not, I will ask that blood work is done before scheduling. Cody needs his teeth cleaned SOON, we are working on curing him of an issue he had when I adopted him, he's been going to vet every 2 weeks in the 3 months I have him.I would like him to be on road to recovery before I have his teeth cleaned. I never liked the idea of any of my pups having to get anesthesia, but never thought there was a health issue attached to it. I am more knowledgeable now that you have explained, and will ask my questions. Thank you very much

[matese]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Matese, I just want to remind you of your original post. You asked what vet schools were about. You also said you were wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. The answer is yes. Cody needs a specialist. It is safest for him to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible. Three visits is not too much, but 17 months with no relief for him no matter who the vet was/is is way too long. Chinese supplements are not standard of care for colitis.

I'm sad that asking a vet what equipment they have is considered grilling here. Actually, when a client asks my vet about anesthetic protocol and such she is pleasantly surprised that the owner knows to ask those questions.

All test results should be explained in layman's terms unless they are normal.
That is the vet's job.

I understand that you may be irritated with all the posts. But please know that several of us posting here have dogs with very similar issues and they are now managed and doing better. It isn't an attack on you or your vet. We have been there, devastated that our dogs weren't doing at all well, watching them feel awful, and then solutions were found.

Matese, I just want to remind you of your original post. You asked what vet schools were about. You also said you were wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. The answer is yes. Cody needs a specialist.I asked "vet school vs pvt. personal vet" because I was confused as to why members were advising / recommending posters to take their dog to a vet school where there are students LEARNING, why have your pet used as a guinea pig. I was JUST CURIOUS, did not ask because I wanted to use a vet school, my question was answered, and now I have a clear view of what vet schools are all about. It is safest for him to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible. Three visits is not too much, but 17 months with no relief for him no matter who the vet was/is is way too long. Chinese supplements are not standard of care for colitis.

I'm sad that asking a vet what equipment they have is considered grilling here. Actually, when a client asks my vet about anesthetic protocol and such she is pleasantly surprised that the owner knows to ask those questions.

All test results should be explained in layman's terms unless they are normal.
That is the vet's job.

I understand that you may be irritated with all the posts. lol not irritated at all, just confused how what I write is taken out of context, ppl read what THEY THINK I am stating, it’s like the phone game. But please know that several of us posting here have dogs with very similar issues and they are now managed and doing better. It isn't an attack on you or your vet. We have been there, devastated that our dogs weren't doing at all well, watching them feel awful, and then solutions were found.[/QUOTE] I understand help is being offered, how ever, ppl replying reading into what I am posting, and what they are interpreting is all incorrect. These back & fourth postings is like e-mail or texting writing words, not hearing a actual voice what you write get read wrong by the reader, that’s why I don’t like email or text for important things, and these issues are to me important, and what I have written is getting pulled apart and being misread and misunderstood .


I just want to remind you of your original post. You asked what vet schools were about. You also said you were wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. That must be some one else’s post, I NEVER said I was wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. I NEVER SAID THIS, I would go to a specialist first. Lol, I can’t believe how ppl read into things







I have had NO REASON to ask my vet what equipment she has, am I out of the blue say “oh by the way, what type of equipment do you have here at your clinic“?
Actually, when a client asks my vet about anesthetic protocol
OMG.....we are NOT TALKING ANESTHETIC, read all posts, a member made a SNIDE comment "does your vet have the proper equipment"




This post is just to funny . “Chinese supplements are not standard of care for colitis.” all I said was he was given this to help his digestive system, did not say it was a CURE for colitis. I know you are giving good advise, however like I said, reading and talking takes things out of context, and that is what you have done. Misread what I write. this has become all to foolish for me. I asked one question and got my answer. PUT A FORK IN ME, I'M DONE.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by matese

Matese, I just want to remind you of your original post. You asked what vet schools were about. You also said you were wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. The answer is yes. Cody needs a specialist.I asked "vet school vs pvt. personal vet" because I was confused as to why members were advising / recommending posters to take their dog to a vet school where there are students LEARNING, why have your pet used as a guinea pig. I was JUST CURIOUS, did not ask because I wanted to use a vet school, my question was answered, and now I have a clear view of what vet schools are all about. It is safest for him to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible. Three visits is not too much, but 17 months with no relief for him no matter who the vet was/is is way too long. Chinese supplements are not standard of care for colitis.

I'm sad that asking a vet what equipment they have is considered grilling here. Actually, when a client asks my vet about anesthetic protocol and such she is pleasantly surprised that the owner knows to ask those questions.

All test results should be explained in layman's terms unless they are normal.
That is the vet's job.

I understand that you may be irritated with all the posts. lol not irritated at all, just confused how what I write is taken out of context, ppl read what THEY THINK I am stating, it’s like the phone game. But please know that several of us posting here have dogs with very similar issues and they are now managed and doing better. It isn't an attack on you or your vet. We have been there, devastated that our dogs weren't doing at all well, watching them feel awful, and then solutions were found.

I understand help is being offered, how ever, ppl replying reading into what I am posting, and what they are interpreting is all incorrect. These back & fourth postings is like e-mail or texting writing words, not hearing a actual voice what you write get read wrong by the reader, that’s why I don’t like email or text for important things, and these issues are to me important, and what I have written is getting pulled apart and being misread and misunderstood .


I just want to remind you of your original post. You asked what vet schools were about. You also said you were wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. That must be some one else’s post, I NEVER said I was wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. I NEVER SAID THIS, I would go to a specialist first. Lol, I can’t believe how ppl read into things







I have had NO REASON to ask my vet what equipment she has, am I out of the blue say “oh by the way, what type of equipment do you have here at your clinic“?
Actually, when a client asks my vet about anesthetic protocol
OMG.....we are NOT TALKING ANESTHETIC, read all posts, a member made a SNIDE comment "does your vet have the proper equipment"




This post is just to funny . “Chinese supplements are not standard of care for colitis.” all I said was he was given this to help his digestive system, did not say it was a CURE for colitis. I know you are giving good advise, however like I said, reading and talking takes things out of context, and that is what you have done. Misread what I write. this has become all to foolish for me. I asked one question and got my answer. PUT A FORK IN ME, I'M DONE.
[/QUOTE]

Could you please try to post in a way that we can understand? I mean this is all so jumbled that it is very confusing. I don't know who is saying what here..... ????

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'm not one to do this for several reasons, but this has gotten ridiculous. So lets go back to the anesthesia thread started recently. The following quote was originally posted on 3/5. Note here the dog had seen the vet every 2 weeks since adoption which clearly is different from what was stated today.

Wow! I don't even know what to say other than that.

[Ellie May]

Yes, you did say you wondered if it would be beneficial (a good idea). In the following quote I don't know what you mean by you'd see a specialist first...because specialists work at vet schools.

Matese said: That must be some one else’s post, I NEVER said I was wondering in the case of Cody and his colitis if this would be a good idea for him. I NEVER SAID THIS, I would go to a specialist first. Lol, I can’t believe how ppl read into things

Originally Posted by matese

just curious, what is the advantage of using a "vet school" over using your own pvt. vet that has all medical history of your pup. Reason I ask, I have been working with my vet (who is always updating herself with the newest procedures) on getting Cody's Colitis under control. I adopted Cody as most members know with a server case of colitis that was left untreated by the prev owner for 13 months, I have him now 4 months today, in the 4 months I have him, he goes to vet every 2 weeks, sometimes every 6 weeks depending on what my vet put him on. There MAY come a time (and I PRAY this will NEVER happen) that my vet will tell me "she has done all that can be done to cure Cody of this Colitis" and he still has it. I have been with this vet since 1984, she has kept 2 of my dogs alive for several years that had server medical issues, I have 1000% trust in her, she has such much LOVE for all the animals she treats and goes to GREAT lengths to find a cure for them. My heart is telling me, because Cody was left untreated for 13 months, there will be no cure for him, and prolonged Colitis I have read MAY lead to Cushings disease . My vet is determined to get him back on the road to recovery, however, should this not happen I will want to seek another venue. I have seen many members advise posters to bring their baby to a vet school and was wondering in Cody’s case of Colitis would this be beneficial for him. I may / can be wrong about this, but I HAVE to say it, so no offence to anyone out there. I hear the TERM “VET SCHOOL” which to me means, ppl learning to become veterinarians. I do not want my baby to be used as a “guinea pig” for ppl that are “learning“. I am sure these vet schools have the most modern technology as far as equipment goes…… I am from the ole school where a used car was just that, now it is referred to as “a pre-owned car” when two diff. breeds of dogs mated they were called MUTTS, now they are called “designer dogs” well I go with the flow and accept the “pre-owned car” and the “designer dog” and if a “vet school” has changed over the years I will accept that to. So any advise on why going to a “vet school” is better then your own vet. Please no nasty, rude, badgering post, I just want to be informed and updated on modern technology, I need to save this precious lil 2 y/o that has many years of life ahead of him. I want him to be healthy and to enjoy his life, I will go to any extreme to find a cure for this new little boy of mine. I want to thank anyone / everyone that takes the time to read this very long post. Any and all advise will be appreciated and will be considered.

[kjc]

Just want to add that your pup's medical records can be sent right along with him, should you choose that route of going to a vet school for Cody's treatment, so that nothing is repeated unless needed and the vets have a clue what has been done and the results/effects of those treatments.

[ShowGirlLola]

Originally Posted by matese

just curious, what is the advantage of using a "vet school" over using your own pvt. vet that has all medical history of your pup. Reason I ask, I have been working with my vet (who is always updating herself with the newest procedures) on getting Cody's Colitis under control. I adopted Cody as most members know with a server case of colitis that was left untreated by the prev owner for 13 months, I have him now 4 months today, in the 4 months I have him, he goes to vet every 2 weeks, sometimes every 6 weeks depending on what my vet put him on. There MAY come a time (and I PRAY this will NEVER happen) that my vet will tell me "she has done all that can be done to cure Cody of this Colitis" and he still has it. I have been with this vet since 1984, she has kept 2 of my dogs alive for several years that had server medical issues, I have 1000% trust in her, she has such much LOVE for all the animals she treats and goes to GREAT lengths to find a cure for them. My heart is telling me, because Cody was left untreated for 13 months, there will be no cure for him, and prolonged Colitis I have read MAY lead to Cushings disease . My vet is determined to get him back on the road to recovery, however, should this not happen I will want to seek another venue. I have seen many members advise posters to bring their baby to a vet school and was wondering in Cody’s case of Colitis would this be beneficial for him. I may / can be wrong about this, but I HAVE to say it, so no offence to anyone out there. I hear the TERM “VET SCHOOL” which to me means, ppl learning to become veterinarians. I do not want my baby to be used as a “guinea pig” for ppl that are “learning“. I am sure these vet schools have the most modern technology as far as equipment goes…… I am from the ole school where a used car was just that, now it is referred to as “a pre-owned car” when two diff. breeds of dogs mated they were called MUTTS, now they are called “designer dogs” well I go with the flow and accept the “pre-owned car” and the “designer dog” and if a “vet school” has changed over the years I will accept that to. So any advise on why going to a “vet school” is better then your own vet. Please no nasty, rude, badgering post, I just want to be informed and updated on modern technology, I need to save this precious lil 2 y/o that has many years of life ahead of him. I want him to be healthy and to enjoy his life, I will go to any extreme to find a cure for this new little boy of mine. I want to thank anyone / everyone that takes the time to read this very long post. Any and all advise will be appreciated and will be considered.

To me your original post says you want to stay with your vet but recognize he may need a specialist/vet school in the future and want to know if it's a good idea.

The response you got was yes a specialist is a good idea, and you need to go sooner rather than later.
We can't help you beyond saying see a specialist, especially because you can't/won't tell us what tests were run, the results, and what your vet has tried.

[matese]

Originally Posted by ShowGirlLola

You never said Cody was given multiple antibiotics, but you did say you didn't know what some of the medications were. It's highly probable that some of the mystery meds were antibiotics.

You need to find out what tests were run, the results, and the medications she's tried.

You never said Cody was given multiple antibiotics, but you did say you didn't know what some of the medications were. It's highly probable that some of the mystery meds were antibiotics.


The “mystery meds” First visit (day after I adopted him) I was sent home with 3 meds, one was antibiotics, 2 others were to help his digestive symptons. Keep in mind, neither my vet nor I was aware at this time that Cody has this for 13 months. This I found out 2 weeks after I adopted cody from his prev. owner.

You need to find out what tests were run, the results, and the medications she's tried. I have this info. 2nd visit was no meds, 2 types of powder to sprinkle on his food to help his digestive system. He ate his food 3 days with this powder then refused to eat his food with the power, I called my vet, he was taken off that powder, as I said, all empty or meds not being used I threw out, between his meds and my meds, my counter was on OVER LOAD. 3rd visit she put him on veterinary prescription Hills Z/D canned and dry dog food. That was 2 weeks ago, follow up was for today. I had to cancel appt. due to bad weather, new appt. for March 25th. That is what has been done in his 3 visits to my vet, SHAME ON ME, I SHOULD PULL HIM OUT OF MY VETS CARE.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by matese

You never said Cody was given multiple antibiotics, but you did say you didn't know what some of the medications were. It's highly probable that some of the mystery meds were antibiotics.


The “mystery meds” First visit (day after I adopted him) I was sent home with 3 meds, one was antibiotics, 2 others were to help his digestive symptons. Keep in mind, neither my vet nor I was aware at this time that Cody has this for 13 months. This I found out 2 weeks after I adopted cody from his prev. owner.

You need to find out what tests were run, the results, and the medications she's tried. I have this info. 2nd visit was no meds, 2 types of powder to sprinkle on his food to help his digestive system. He ate his food 3 days with this powder then refused to eat his food with the power, I called my vet, he was taken off that powder, as I said, all empty or meds not being used I threw out, between his meds and my meds, my counter was on OVER LOAD. 3rd visit she put him on veterinary prescription Hills Z/D canned and dry dog food. That was 2 weeks ago, follow up was for today. I had to cancel appt. due to bad weather, new appt. for March 25th. That is what has been done in his 3 visits to my vet, SHAME ON ME, I SHOULD PULL HIM OUT OF MY VETS CARE.

You are really good at putting words in other peoples' mouths. Who told you to "pull him out of my vets care" ?? People have suggested that you go to a specialist for advanced vetting. That does not mean your vet is bad.

But, before saying more, I really wish you could clear things up a bit. In one thread you said you have gone to the vet every two weeks and in this one you said three times. Which is it? It might make it easier to grasp.

[matese]

Originally Posted by ShowGirlLola

Has blood work been done? I'm concerned about him being anemic.

You really need to find the right antibiotic and stop trying various ones, this is your post, are you NOT SAYING I need to stop TRYING VARIOUS ANTIIBIOTICS, so you are stating I have been using various antibiotics, why don't ppl go back and read their own post before reposting?????it's likely making the problem worse. One of the ways you get c-diff is from antibiotics, they kill the good bacteria in your gut and the bad bacteria (such as c-diff) takes over.
So continuely using the wrong antibiotics is killing the good bacteria and contributing to antibiotic resistance.

I'd ask your vet to check his blood counts and ask about putting him on a probiotic.

I'd trust the ladies on here, especially those involved with rescues, they have a lot of experience with sick dogs.

this is your post, are you NOT SAYING I need to stop TRYING VARIOUS ANTIIBIOTICS, so you are stating I have been using various antibiotics, why don't ppl go back and read their own post before reposting?????

[kjc]

Originally Posted by matese

You never said Cody was given multiple antibiotics, but you did say you didn't know what some of the medications were. It's highly probable that some of the mystery meds were antibiotics.


The “mystery meds” First visit (day after I adopted him) I was sent home with 3 meds, one was antibiotics, 2 others were to help his digestive symptons. Keep in mind, neither my vet nor I was aware at this time that Cody has this for 13 months. This I found out 2 weeks after I adopted cody from his prev. owner.

You need to find out what tests were run, the results, and the medications she's tried. I have this info. 2nd visit was no meds, 2 types of powder to sprinkle on his food to help his digestive system. He ate his food 3 days with this powder then refused to eat his food with the power, I called my vet, he was taken off that powder, as I said, all empty or meds not being used I threw out, between his meds and my meds, my counter was on OVER LOAD. 3rd visit she put him on veterinary prescription Hills Z/D canned and dry dog food. That was 2 weeks ago, follow up was for today. I had to cancel appt. due to bad weather, new appt. for March 25th. That is what has been done in his 3 visits to my vet, SHAME ON ME, I SHOULD PULL HIM OUT OF MY VETS CARE.

My only concern is that the reschedule is almost 2 weeks away... can't they squeeze you in any sooner? I'm assuming this is their scheduling suggestion... I do understand about cancelling due to weather. Just with you being a long term client I would think they'd make a little bit more of an effort to have your pup seen sooner rather than later.