need information on studding..

[sl123]

My Yorkie is a full blooded CKC (long story thought I was getting AKC) 1 yr old male. I am thinking of studding him. What do I need to be aware of in order to do this? I want to be sure all my basis are covered before I advertise.

[Maximo]

Welcome to Yorkie Talk.

You posted another thread about marking. Studding out your Yorkie is likely going to make marking an even bigger issue.

To be honest, the kind of breeders who would use a dog with CKC registration are not ones you would want to work with. CKC doesn't have the rigorous standards of AKC (imperfect as AKC might be).

For breeding dogs, genetic testing is recommended, along with research into the dogs' lines. Is your pup an excellent representative of the breed? I love my Yorkie boys and think they are adorable, but they are "pet" quality, not breeding quality.

[Sunnydayz]

Ok did not see this before I responded to the other post. I can tell you for fact, that once my male chow I had years ago mated, he thought he was the man and marked everything, to where he needed to become a outside dog. If you want to breed him, he IS going to mark his territory. I agree with the previous post, that A LOT going into breeding and it can be expensive. You need to make sure your male is of breeding quality or you will be doing the females as well as the breed a injustice in keeping good lineage go the breed. My male chow I bred years ago was from 27 champion lines.

[sl123]

@ Maximo - My yorkie is full blooded, his dad is AKC but his Mom was CKC b/c both of her parents weren't AKC and your can't register with AKC unless both parents are AKC registered. So with that said -- he is full blooded, has no "imperfections" and is perfectly healthy for breeding. He hasn't been bred yet. I just have some friends who have females that want to get puppies off of him, I am really just wanting to know what to charge, and how to go about collecting fees, before or after puppies etc.. Thanks!

[sl123]

@ Sunnydayz my yorkie is full blooded, like I just replied to Maximo -- bloodlines aren't an issue.. his dad, & grandparents on his dad side are all AKC, the Mom was just a CKC puppy b/c one of her parents was AKC, and the other was CKC.. Thanks for sharing with me about breeding makes marking worse though.. I had a Boxer once, and he never marked, even after he was bred several times, he was an inside dog. I have never experienced all this marking, and it is about to drive me insane. IF we choose to breed him w/ my friends female, and it gets worse I may just have him fixed for my sanity !! Thanks for the information..

[Verbena]

From the YTCA website:
14) All stud dogs and bitches shall be screened prior to breeding for both infectious and hereditary diseases using the generally accepted and available techniques. DNA testing shall be done on all studs and bitches.

With that said here is a little info you need to know and do: I know there will be breeders will chime in with more.

First breeders want AKC registered studs to breed with their females.

Breeders check for any breed faults, LP, heart murmur, male (STD test too) and female before breeding. They also do the Bile Acid test and a full blood panel, even if it was done as a pup. By the time you run all the tests it is very expensive, but must be done if you plan to do it right.

You also study and know the lines. You have to kinda of predict what you may get and you want as close to the standard as possible. Research and learn those lines and know the faults of each male and female before breeding. what is being thrown, bad fronts, cottony coats etc. You want them to compliment one another and be as close to the standard as possible.


Also you have to remember you are half responsible for the puppies.

A great book to read is The Complete Book of Dog Breeding by Dan Rice,DVM

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by sl123

@ Maximo - My yorkie is full blooded, his dad is AKC but his Mom was CKC b/c both of her parents weren't AKC and your can't register with AKC unless both parents are AKC registered. So with that said -- he is full blooded, has no "imperfections" and is perfectly healthy for breeding. He hasn't been bred yet. I just have some friends who have females that want to get puppies off of him, I am really just wanting to know what to charge, and how to go about collecting fees, before or after puppies etc.. Thanks!

To get feedback on price and other details, you may want to post a new thread in the breeder section so more people will see it, people with knowledge in this area: Breeder Talk - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community

Be prepared: many people are going to give you all the reasons not to be breed.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by sl123

@ Maximo - My yorkie is full blooded, his dad is AKC but his Mom was CKC b/c both of her parents weren't AKC and your can't register with AKC unless both parents are AKC registered. So with that said -- he is full blooded, has no "imperfections" and is perfectly healthy for breeding. He hasn't been bred yet. I just have some friends who have females that want to get puppies off of him, I am really just wanting to know what to charge, and how to go about collecting fees, before or after puppies etc.. Thanks!

Well... Since you want to charge for a "service," think about when you get things done for yourself. You want to pay for the best right? So when you're offering something, then offer the best! How do you know what you have is the best? That's easy. Study your pups lines (look into he health history of generations past), have your boy health tested (and no, a wellness check is not enough, there is a list of health tests to check for diseases both genetic and STD and on and on, one of the breeders will list them for you since I don't know them all by name), have your boy looked at by those who know, like show people, judges, etc. they can help you evaluate your dog for quality.

I know it sounds mean and detached, but that's the honest truth about studding. If I had a female that I needed a stud for, I'm not going to exchange money with you unless I know I'm getting the best. That's how you know what to charge.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Well... Since you want to charge for a "service," think about when you get things done for yourself. You want to pay for the best right? So when you're offering something, then offer the best! How do you know what you have is the best? That's easy. Study your pups lines (look into he health history of generations past), have your boy health tested (and no, a wellness check is not enough, there is a list of health tests to check for diseases both genetic and STD and on and on, one of the breeders will list them for you since I don't know them all by name), have your boy looked at by those who know, like show people, judges, etc. they can help you evaluate your dog for quality.

I know it sounds mean and detached, but that's the honest truth about studding. If I had a female that I needed a stud for, I'm not going to exchange money with you unless I know I'm getting the best. That's how you know what to charge.

I agree with this. If you plan on studding I would get the proper tests done ...I don't even think it's that expensive. Know his lines and what he has the potential to "throw". Have a show judge/responsible breeder check him out to give you their unbiased opinion(we all think our dogs are the shiz ). Make sure the female has been tested for stds. I would hate for my male to contract something. Also if he's an "unproven" stud I don't think you should charge as much but if he is proven the general stud fee in my area is $500 depending on lines and test done or pick of the litter. If you do it I would make sure to get your money up front but also have a contract between you and the females owner. Including something like "....if this tie does not produce pups we will try x number of times afterwards if there are no puppies as a result I will refund x amount of money". Just a thought/example. But your best bet would be to contact a responsible breeder and ask how they do things. Good Luck!!!!

[theporkieyorkie]

You are asking a question where there's no clear cut answer...it's like asking "how much should a yorkie cost." You charge the stud fee based on the individual dog, it's accomplishements in the show ring, it's pedigree ect ect. Typically it seems people will either take a.)pick of the litter or b.)they will charge around what the cost of one puppy is.

I think the bigger issue is whether your dog is fit to breed. We have a huge pet overpopulation problem from puppy mills and back yard breeders looking to make a buck...from irresponsible owners not spaying/neutering their pups and they get oopsies litters or from people thinking "oh, my pet is so cute. It would make great puppies." There are several "perfect pet quality" yorkies sitting in shelters all across the country just waiting to be adopted...and every time someone breeds for any reason other than to better the breed, they are just adding to the pet overpopulation problem.

First off, most breeders with good lines don't just hand out breeding rights to anyone...because their kennel name is attached to it and they don't want anyone breeding willie nillie with their name on it. The fact that the breeder of your dog did nothing to protect their lines by making you sign a spay/neuter contract makes me question the quality of their lines. Secondly, the fact that one of your pups parents isn't AKC registered is a pretty big oopsies. IF you are a GOOD breeder, you know your lines and you know who you are breeding. Obviously, the breeder didn't even bother to look into the lines or else they would have known the dog wasn't AKC registered.

Lastly, I know you say your pup is perfectly healthy...but who told you your pup was pefectly healthy?? If it was a regular vet...it doesn't mean squat. When people are talking about health checks for breeding, they aren't talking about a general wellness check at your local vet. They are talking about taking your dog to an orthopedic vet to have the hips and knees certified...They are talking about taking your pup to a cardiologist to get your dog heart certified...to an optomologist to get them eye certified etc etc. These aren't just things your regular does when you take them in for their annual check up. These certifications require the eyes and signature of a board certified specialist and they aren't cheap.

The reason you do all of these certifications is because you are trying to eliminate the possibility of genetic problems being passed down to the puppies. It has to be done in both the male and female and if anything is found wrong(bad knees, bad heart etc etc), you should not breed them. Unfortunately, because this breed is so popular and so many puppy mills and back yard breeders have cut corners and not done the tests to save/make a buck, you find yorkies riddled with health problems. The ONLY way to breed these problems out of the line is to do the testing and be vigilent in WHICH dogs get bred.. Otherwise, you are just contributing to the problem of breeding unhealthy dogs.

IMO, you should leave the breeding up to the professionals...the people who show and breed for a living..the people who know their lines and the health and temperment of the dogs they are breeding. If you do breed, I hope you realize the financial responsibility behind it...as do the people you are breeding your dog to...breeding these little guys is no joke and it can be a HUGE FINANCIAL DRAIN. A C-section can easily cost $1000-2000.

I am sure you've got a beautiful pup...so please don't take what I say as a personal attack on you or your pup. I adopted a yorkie who was used for Stud service for his former owner and he is nowhere near a perfect specimin for breeding. He's got a cotton coat. He's got an awful temperment and a not so great confirmation. My mom has 2 of his puppies and they have had lots of health issues. It doesn't mean I love him any less. He's perfect in my eyes....and yes, the others are right....if you think your pup is marking now, wait until you get him breeding. My retired stud dog is 10 years old and he's lifting his leg all over my house. I have to keep a diaper on him 24/7 because of it...so yes, studding a dog out definitely makes the leg lifting A LOT worse.

[Lovetodream88]

Which Ckc? There are two one is reputable one is not.

[matese]

Originally Posted by sl123

@ Maximo - My yorkie is full blooded, his dad is AKC but his Mom was CKC b/c both of her parents weren't AKC and your can't register with AKC unless both parents are AKC registered. So with that said -- he is full blooded, has no "imperfections" and is perfectly healthy for breeding. He hasn't been bred yet. I just have some friends who have females that want to get puppies off of him, I am really just wanting to know what to charge, and how to go about collecting fees, before or after puppies etc.. Thanks!

I am def. NOT DISAGREEING with any poster here. In fact I agree with all that posted, but I know where and what you and your friends with females are wanting to go.....
What you want to do is JUST BREED your dog, what your FRIENDS WANT is a MATE for their FEMALES they don't care about AKC or CKC or even ABC!!!, they want puppies to sell. Let me say this first, years back I was told by a vet I was using at that time, if mating, the female MUST be BIGGER then the male, if male is BIGGER then the female, it could cause larger puppies and complications for the female, (death of puppies or C-section for the mom) to be continued on nx post before I lose this lol

[matese]

years back I had friends that first got a female yorkie, 2 years later they got a male yorkie, BIGGER then the female, and was going to mate them. I told them what my vet told me, it fell on deaf ears, they mated the dogs, neither the wife nor the husband got any information about breeding or whelping. when the female was in labor, then started to deliver, the first puppy was so big the mom couldn't get it out, they then called "A" vet who told them to take the dog to the nearest "fire station" (living in NYC there is a fire station on just about every other corner) and to let the vet know where they were and the vet would meet them at the fire station. When they got to the fire station the puppy that was stuck was dead, the vet performed a C-section and was able to save the second puppy, due to C-section the mom wanted nothing to do with the puppy, so husband & wife feed it and kept it alive. (female was only carry 2 pups thank god) the saved puppy as it grew was the ugliest lol yorkie I ever saw, longggg legs shortttt body. So if this is what you want for your friends with females (sending before losing)

[matese]

then mate your dogs with theirs, no matter what is being told to you here on this site is going to STOP you from breeding your male. I pray what happened to this (now ex friends, because they did not do what was good or right for their female I will not associate with ppl like them) female & her pups will not happen to your friends with females that JUST WANT TO MATE THEIR DOGS. Many ppl with males will take the "pick of the litter" either keep it or they sell the pup. some will ask for stud fee, If I were you, because I know you will breed your male, you should determine what you feel the value of you using him as a stud is worth to you, and take money NO PUP. After seeing how these ppl's pup turned out I wouldn't suggest taking "pick of the litter because "Ya never know what your gonna get when ya open a box of chocolate".

[matese]

PLEASE DO NOT BE ANGREY WITH ME, I AM NOT IN AREEMENT WITH HIM
I am 1000% in agreement with all members that have so far posted, as you can see by his reply he is going to mate his CKC bc the mother was CKC, the father was AKC, the grandparents were AKC, but mated with a CKC, etc, etc., etc. so all pups his male produces will be ABC's he's going to use his dog as a stud regardless of all the proper advise you have given him and what he will yet get from others. All he wanted to know from this site was "HOW MUCH SHOULD HE ASK FOR AS A STUD FEE" or where he can find this info.
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