need information on studding..

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by sl123

@mimimomo puppy went to vet yesterday for his 1 year check up all is GREAT !! He is 5.6lbs of good loving, and GREAT HEALTH !! lots of love & plenty pampered !!

Just a good vet check up is not enough there is actual testing that needs to be done by specialists.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by sl123

@LOVETO DREAM -- we do know for sure !!! end of discussion with you !!

No you don't people lie. Also reputable breeders know not to breed dogs that aren't AKC so you obviously didn't get you dog from a reputable breeder so you don't need to continue his unknown lines.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

I know you might not understand now because you are new to breeding. But I breed my pair and had a first litter. Is not as easy as it sounds aside from the genetic testing, I would recommend it because you don't want any puppy's being born sick and dyeing shortly after birth and the dams mother coming after you. As to him being one he is too young my two year old stud had trouble mating as to he dirint know what he was doing. It took my expirienced mentor to come over and help me get them to tie. Also your friends must know there's not much money to be made they will be lucky if they come out even. Example- my female had one pup - cost- csections, X-rays, whelping supply cost, vet during pregnancy. After birth female dirint care for puppy's because of c section. I dirint sleep for days supplementing the puppy. It hasn't cost me hundreds I'm well in the thousands lucky I have my daughter who is keeping her if I was selling I would be probably -negative thousands yes im not lyeing. Open your eyes it's not that easy besides I've seen studs online akc registered being studed for as low as 300-500 I saw you live in Florida look online. Or pick of the litter what if the dam has one that will be a battle between you and the other folks some people even make contracts to be sure they go thru. It's vary complicated. If akc are being studed for 300-500 how much would no registrations be studed for? No testing? Not much get him neutered the marking gets terrible believe me.

Well if they don't do it right like most bad breeders and let the puppies go home around 6 weeks old like most bad breeders that don't care about the puppies and even add the word teacup when trying to sell them as well as prey on buyers who don't know any better they could make a bit of money........ It's so annoying to me when people don't do the things like genetic testing and such to try everything they can to make these pups as healthy as possible. I have a dog the breeders didn't care about what kinda of puppies her parents where having and I have had to watch her suffer from many health issues because of it. It bothers me when people think breeding is nothing when it's a big deal.

[theporkieyorkie]

II get it...I get it...you've got an intact male purebred dog, possibly(I say possibly as there's obviously a question in the lineage and that is why the bitch was CKC registered)...so that gives you the right to breed. You don't need a licence...which I think it unfortunate. I think people should have to educate themselves and I also think they should have to spend some time at Animal Control and/or their local humane society. They need to watch healthy dogs being euthanized because of the pet overpopulation problem....and then they can decide if their "need" to breed is more important than other dogs lives.

Puppy Mills and Backyard Beeeders(BYB,s) are the primary cause of the pet overpopulation. Most of the dogs found in rescues come from puppy mills or BYBs. By breeding your dog, you are just contributing to that.

Yes, many of us get "uptight" around here because it's the rescues that are left to deal with and to clean up the mess left by back yard breeders and puppy mills....and it's the dogs that suffer. Purebred pet quality yorkies are sitting in rescues across the country, waiting to be adopted.


BTW, I just wrote a different post on my 10 year old x-stud dog because he is pissing everywhere, CONSTANTLY!! I put him up on my bed and took his diaper off last night and I walked down the hallway to set it down and when I came back, he'd lifted his leg on a dog toy on my bed. I was gone less than 30 seconds and he'd just been outside. This is the 4th time he's peed on my bed. He's also stood on my floor and lifted his leg all over my bedspread and box springs. He's peed on my couch, trash can, refrigerator, laundry baskets, laundry piles, dog beds, walls and the list goes on.....He now wears diapers pretty much all day long and he still pees in those too. It's a major problem and it all stems from him being studded out.

[chattiesmom]

Here's my opinion from the perspective as a bitch owner, without personal opinions as to whether or not you should breed your male. As a bitch owner, I have high expectations from a stud and am willing to pay for it. I expect to pay an amount up to the value of one pup (based on bloodlines) for a stud for my AKC Champion bitch. Since one of her litter mates sold for $2,500 I can expect up to that amount for a top quality stud. As a bitch owner, it doesn't cost any more to raise top quality pups as it does run of the mill pups - and in many cases, it is ultimately less expensive. Of course I have high expectations of the stud. He must have top AKC bloodlines, AKC Championship at minimum, preferably Grand Championship AND must have have "the look" that I want which was passed down through several generations. The stud must also meet other vigorous criteria, including genetic testing, and/or be from lines known to be free of the common genetic disorders. You pay for what you get and since I want the best for my bitches I expect to pay a significant amount for a stud fee.

If you plan to advertise your male, you should take a long hard look at your male and ask yourself, "If I was the bitch owner, would I breed her to him and what value would I place on him as a breeding animal? Would he (and his bloodlines) help to correct any faults my bitch may have" and set your stud fees accordingly. I would also ask myself, as owner of the stud what can I provide the bitch owner regarding mentoring her through the pregnancy and delivery, and early pup development since it is common practice for a stud owner to breed to her own bitches BEFORE offering him for outside breedings to show he is a proven stud.

Hope this helped...

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Here's my opinion from the perspective as a bitch owner, without personal opinions as to whether or not you should breed your male. As a bitch owner, I have high expectations from a stud and am willing to pay for it. I expect to pay an amount up to the value of one pup (based on bloodlines) for a stud for my AKC Champion bitch. Since one of her litter mates sold for $2,500 I can expect up to that amount for a top quality stud. As a bitch owner, it doesn't cost any more to raise top quality pups as it does run of the mill pups - and in many cases, it is ultimately less expensive. Of course I have high expectations of the stud. He must have top AKC bloodlines, AKC Championship at minimum, preferably Grand Championship AND must have have "the look" that I want which was passed down through several generations. The stud must also meet other vigorous criteria, including genetic testing, and/or be from lines known to be free of the common genetic disorders. You pay for what you get and since I want the best for my bitches I expect to pay a significant amount for a stud fee.

If you plan to advertise your male, you should take a long hard look at your male and ask yourself, "If I was the bitch owner, would I breed her to him and what value would I place on him as a breeding animal? Would he (and his bloodlines) help to correct any faults my bitch may have" and set your stud fees accordingly. I would also ask myself, as owner of the stud what can I provide the bitch owner regarding mentoring her through the pregnancy and delivery, and early pup development since it is common practice for a stud owner to breed to her own bitches BEFORE offering him for outside breedings to show he is a proven stud.

Hope this helped...

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

I was responding to the OP's original post in which she asked what she needed to be aware of before she advertised her male for stud because she wanted to have all her bases covered. I replied from the perspective of a bitch owner. If you are thinking about studding out your male, you need to understand the whole picture from both the stud owner's and bitch owner's point of view. I can think my dog is the best in the world, but if I am marketing him, I need to put myself in the position of the owners of the females I am trying to market to.

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

I was responding to the OP's original post in which she asked what she needed to be aware of before she advertised her male for stud because she wanted to have all her bases covered. I replied from the perspective of a bitch owner.

Sorry I meant to put a thubs up I dirint realize till now my mistake lolThere we go

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by sl123

@mimimomo puppy went to vet yesterday for his 1 year check up all is GREAT !! He is 5.6lbs of good loving, and GREAT HEALTH !! lots of love & plenty pampered !!

A good check up is great for you, as a pet owner. But it takes more than a vet check to determine if the male is really one that should be bred. For starters, you need a detailed health history on EVERY puppy thrown in his lineage for at least 12 generations back. You need to know if there were ever any instances of liver shunt, hydrocephalus, Leggs Perth, Luxating Patellas to name just a few of the things that can be passed on during breeding. Even if your dog doesn't have any of the above, he can still pass on the genes that cause the diseases. Why does that matter to you? Because as a stud owner, you could be held responsible for vet costs of any ill pups he throws.

Did you also know that dogs can get sexually transmitted diseases? There is a particular type that can cause the bitch to miscarry the pups. That would certainly put a dent in to a friendship/business deal.

And finally, you've already complained about the problems you've had with your dog marking. That is something that will only increase if you choose to breed him.

In the end, you are going to do what you want. But don't expect responsible breeders to rush to use your little stud just because you think he's cute. If they have any ethics, his questionable lineage and lack of show prestige makes him a poor choice for a stud.

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

I was responding to the OP's original post in which she asked what she needed to be aware of before she advertised her male for stud because she wanted to have all her bases covered. I replied from the perspective of a bitch owner. If you are thinking about studding out your male, you need to understand the whole picture from both the stud owner's and bitch owner's point of view. I can think my dog is the best in the world, but if I am marketing him, I need to put myself in the position of the owners of the females I am trying to market to.

Btw I really liked your response you sound like a vary reputable breeder.... The original op dosent realize all the work that can go in breeding and studding. She's under the impression that just because her dog is akc half ckc which ckc is not even a registry that should be considered to me. He is the perfect dog as you can see in my avator that's my stud baby which is akc and I purchased for $2800.00. Yes lots of cash. I wouldn't stud him to strangers just because I will not have infections passed on to him from who knows what dog. Also I will not like to be responsible for something the dams owner would do with one of his offsprings. My humble opinion. Many people looking for stud do not like getting genetic on there dams because of expense and they just like money, money , money he's still my dog and I will not be held responsible under my name for any defects or else that might happen studding.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Btw I really liked your response you sound like a vary reputable breeder.... The original op dosent realize all the work that can go in breeding and studding. She's under the impression that just because her dog is akc half ckc which ckc is not even a registry that should be considered to me. He is the perfect dog as you can see in my avator that's my stud baby which is akc and I purchased for $2800.00. Yes lots of cash. I wouldn't stud him to strangers just because I will not have infections passed on to him from who knows what dog. Also I will not like to be responsible for something the dams owner would do with one of his offsprings. My humble opinion. Many people looking for stud do not like getting genetic on there dams because of expense and they just like money, money , money he's still my dog and I will not be held responsible under my name for any defects or else that might happen studding.

Thank you for your kind words. My second reply came BEFORE you posted the tunmbs up to replace the lol. Sometimes my wording isn't the greatest and I wanted to be sure that you understood where I was coming from. I'd hate to offend anyone .

Your stud is adorable and it sounds like you "have the right idea" about breeding.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

Btw I really liked your response you sound like a vary reputable breeder.... The original op dosent realize all the work that can go in breeding and studding. She's under the impression that just because her dog is akc half ckc which ckc is not even a registry that should be considered to me. He is the perfect dog as you can see in my avator that's my stud baby which is akc and I purchased for $2800.00. Yes lots of cash. I wouldn't stud him to strangers just because I will not have infections passed on to him from who knows what dog. Also I will not like to be responsible for something the dams owner would do with one of his offsprings. My humble opinion. Many people looking for stud do not like getting genetic on there dams because of expense and they just like money, money , money he's still my dog and I will not be held responsible under my name for any defects or else that might happen studding.

I would like to add that even with all of the genetic testing and medical testing we still don't know what's going to happen when that little sperm hits the egg. We can have miracles or disasters. It is the responsibility of breeders to do all in their power to help assure a good outcome with each pup produced - and to help improve the breed as a whole.

[McheleM]

CKC (unless its Canadian Kennel Club) is a crappy registry. Its only as good as the paper its written on, and they will register anything as long as someone pays the fee.


Same with APRI, ACA and several others.



I have a friend who has a coffee table registered with them as a great dane.

[McheleM]

I found this on another site




Continental registries (real)
AKC.....American Kennel Club
UKC.....United Kennel Club
CKC.....Canadian Kennel Club

there are also breed registries such as:
AADR.....All American Dog Registry
ABCA.....American Border Collie Association
ACDCA.....American Cattle Dog Club of America
ADBA.....American Dog Breeders Association
AIBC.....American International Border Collie Association
APBR.....American Pit Bull Registry (can be questionable)
ARBA.....American Rare Breed Association
ARHA.....American Rabbit Hound Association
ASCA.....Australian Shepherd Club of America
ISDS.....International Sheep Dog Society
JRTCA.....Jack Russell Terrier Club of America
NASDS.....North American Sheep Dog Society


Bogus Registries
AAPBA.....All American Premier Breeds Assoc. (All American Pit Bull)
ACA.....American Canine Association
ANDR.....American National Dog Registry
APRI....American Pet Registry, Inc (also, American Purebred Registry; no "I")
APBR.....American Pit Bull Registry
ARU.....Animal Registry Unlimited
CKC.....Continental Kennel Club (do not confuse w/ Canadian Kennel Club)
CRCS.....Canine Regisration and Certification Services
DRA.....Dog Registry of America
FIC.....Federation of International Canines
NAMBR...North American Mixed Breed Registry
NAPDR.....North American Purebred Dog Registry
NKC.....National Kennel Club
UABR.....United All Breed Registry
UKCI.....Universal Kennel Club International
WWKC.....World Wide Kennel Club

Questionable registries:
BFK/BFKC.....Bonafide Kennel Club
IABCA.....International All Breed Canine Association of America
SDR.....Sporting Dog Registry
these are just a few....they keep cropping up so it's hard to keep up

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by McheleM

CKC (unless its Canadian Kennel Club) is a crappy registry. Its only as good as the paper its written on, and they will register anything as long as someone pays the fee.


Same with APRI, ACA and several others.



I have a friend who has a coffee table registered with them as a great dane.

Continental kennel club charges $55.00 plus 3 pictures of the dog and a filled out application and whala you got your dog registered. No pedigree, no DNA. On the other hand the pictures could have been pulled off online or might be the neighbors dog. There is many reviews online there website states the fees and requirements. To me it is as good as trash. Canadian kennel club is a whole different story. I'm pretty sure the op is talking about continental kennel club.