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12-30-2005, 12:01 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NEW JERSEY
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| 5 pound vicious beast Well, we took our 7-month old Bayley to the groomer for the first time. Within a half hour, I was told to pick him up because he was too aggressive to groom. When I went to pick him up, I was read the riot act by the groomer who proceeded to tell me I shouldn't have this dog, he has fear aggression and is a lawsuit waiting to happen. She said she was "concerned" for my children and would help me get another puppy. Can you imagine!!. Needless to say we were all upset. Bayley is great with my family and my kids. He does play a little aggressive and will nip and jump while playing. He also does not like other people in the house, he barks and will go after their feet. It is becoming a problem. We spoke to the vet and told him the story. The vet said he does have fear aggression and recommended a trainer immediately. I have a trainer coming to my house next week to see if we can help with this problem. Has anybody had this problem with their puppy and can offer me some advice? Bayley is the cutest puppy and we love so much. Any helpful hints is much appreciated. |
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12-30-2005, 12:14 PM | #2 |
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| I wish I had some advice to offer you but I am sure there is someone on here who can help. As for the groomer calling you and telling you to get rid of your dog, what nerve!! This person obviously doesn't understand the bond between pets and their owners. You don't just give up on a pet because they aren't perfect. A 5 pound dog is hardly a threat to anyone. Your doggy is lucky to have such a dedicated owner like you who has taken the time to find someone who can help him. I am sure your trainer will be able to work with you and your baby to overcome whatever behavior problems your puppy has. Good luck to you and your pup.
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12-30-2005, 12:16 PM | #3 |
Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas
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| I'm sorry. Mine loves everybody to death! Was your puppy socialized with other people and animals starting from the time you brought him home? That usually takes care of the problem. A trainer should be able to help with this, but it's much more painless to start with them when you bring them home.
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12-30-2005, 12:17 PM | #4 |
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| Unfortunately, fear aggression is a very serious thing to conquer. I have seen dogs with it that ultimately did not have a happy ending. And the groomer, despite how she handled it, was right - it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. However! - the groomer, seeing that the dog was afraid should have muzzled the dog to finish the grooming. Muzzling the dog isn't gonna hurt it any for 30 minutes of grooming time. The way your groomer spoke to you though was inappropriate. She may have still been highstrung from almost being bit, but if that were the case, her manager should have handled the discussion with you. And if your dog gets carried away and starts nipping at your children - that is a problem. A good trainer will come right out and tell you - at NO time should a dog's teeth ever touch your skin. It is NOT acceptable ever. Licking is fine. But nipping, even in play should not be permitted. It just takes one time for an accidental break in skin - if it gets reported, your dog, depending on your county, is gone. Definitely have the trainer come in asap. Watch your dog when it is with your children. And make sure the trainer teaches the dog that teeth on skin is a NO-NO. I hope your baby recovers from whatever scares him so much. God willing he will be responsive to training and learn to trust. Have you had him since he was a puppy? I am wondering what has happened in his past that has caused him to be so fear aggressive. There is usually a root cause to this. Even something that happened at 6 or 7 weeks could have scarred him for life. I'll pray for the little guy.
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12-30-2005, 12:18 PM | #5 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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| I would get a new groomer. They should be prepared to deal with whatever is dealt to them. My first groomer said Chachi was a problem. We took them somewhere else the next time and the groomer said they were both good for her. The trainer should be able to help you with the biting but they do outgrow that stage of chewing on everything.
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12-30-2005, 12:25 PM | #6 |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | I had an experience with Tessa my Cocker - she was SO SO Scared of the groomer the first time when she was a baby ...I had to go get her - Before we tried it again...I sat with trimmers and the hairdryer to get her used to the noise and she is a total ANGEL getting groomed - I would never think this is the same girl that one groomer asked me to come pick up - she never nipped .....but she was just terrified as a puppy of the grooming "noises"....maybe try to get your little guy used to the electronics they use and try again ? |
12-30-2005, 12:45 PM | #7 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker | [QUOTE=Rfwrosie]Well, we took our 7-month old Bayley to the groomer for the first time. Within a half hour, I was told to pick him up because he was too aggressive to groom. When I went to pick him up, I was read the riot act by the groomer who proceeded to tell me I shouldn't have this dog, he has fear aggression and is a lawsuit waiting to happen. She said she was "concerned" for my children and would help me get another puppy. Can you imagine!!. OMG the absolute nerve of her ! If she is a licensed groomer you should report her. Like what on earth is she doing grooming dogs if she cannot control a 7 month old Yorkie puppy ! As a last resort she should have muzzled him. Grrrrrrr the puppy is smarter then her and knew to be afraid ! I have a rescue dog that is totally terrified...was obviously abused and suffers from fear aggression. I just warn everyone not to bother her and she will not bother you. When family members want to pick her up they know to let her see them and smell their hand first and not to startle her. Poor little thing...she is so sweet and some horrible monster obviously abused her. Your puppys behavior seems rather normal to me...some puppys are just stronger and more aggressive then others. I would think a trainer would certainly be able to teach the poor baby to calm down and teeth are for chewing not biting !!! Good Luck !
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12-30-2005, 01:50 PM | #8 | |
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| I was told the same thing First of all a Yorkie bite is hardly going to result in a lawsuit! Gimme a break! Second our groomer told us the same thing that your's did. Then we got him NEUTERED! No groomer ever had a complaint again! Now is the perfect age for neutering! Quote:
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12-30-2005, 01:51 PM | #9 | |
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| Correction We did not neuter the groomer, just our dog! Quote:
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12-30-2005, 01:56 PM | #10 | |
Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas
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Maybe you should have neutered the groomer.
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12-30-2005, 02:34 PM | #11 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania
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| Ask your trainer if neutering does help in this situation (though it truly will help both the dog and you in may other situations). I DO hope everything works out great! PLEASE let us know how it goes. The aggression does need controlled. Nice long walks cure a lot of behavioral problems. |
12-30-2005, 03:11 PM | #12 | |
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How do you tell the difference between the "puppy biting" that all puppies seem to go through and the "wrong" kind of biting? I mean fear biting must start pretty young...and what sort of on-going training do you start doing to you avoid a nippy yorkie when they are grown up, without getting "harsh" with the little pup? Francie | |
12-30-2005, 03:31 PM | #13 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania
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| Well, it does start as puppy biting. I say "OUCH!!!!!" very loud when a pup bites me....trust me, this does stop that. I say it even if it doesn't hurt at all. You will notice a HUGE difference in the biting after a short period of time. Then one day you will notice that the pup did actually put your finger in its mouth but you couldn't really feel it. Say it loud enough to startle your guy....I know he is 7 months old, but it is not too late to start. Make sure EVERYONE in your house does it. Also, when new people come into your house make sure they do it. If he acts up when visitors come over as you mentioned, I wouldn't subject him to them until he gets under control. I'm sure he isn't "out of control", but you'll notice that once he starts getting "in control", things flow more smoothly. |
12-30-2005, 04:49 PM | #14 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central California
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| An experienced groomer should have been able to handle your dog. His aggression probably scared her and the situation escalated. What was actually done to your dog? Was he bathed? Nails trimmed? Anything? I would call around to other groomers and explain what happened and see if they have an experienced groomer that would like to try to groom your puppy. Most importantly, be honest with the groomer so they are prepared for his reaction. Maybe avoid the PetSomething's and go to a privately owned pet salon. The big box places have a huge employee turn a round and the groomers probably won't be as experienced. You may need to go about this gradually. The groomer may not be able to do much more than a bath and blow dry and very little trimming the first time.
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12-30-2005, 05:12 PM | #15 |
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| As someone that currently owns a Yorkie that is Three years old and is fear aggressive it is livable and trainable. I would,first want to know what happened at the groomers and what set off the little guy as it could be his fear lies in being handled by a rough stranger. Could be another dog, could be a smell, could stress of you not being around. Second I am not sure what training your vet was in behavior but not all vets know what is going on with aggression. Find a trained behaviorist. Third watch the trainer that is coming he/she should talk and walk the gentle and slow method anything rough or fast will put the little one into a tail spin and make it worse. Say I who learned the hard way. Send me a Pm and I can get you some titles of books that you can read and learn more from. All of which I have read. Also He is 7 months old totally the time when the world makes less sense and is more scary and this is normal just do everything slower and give him time to think things through. I also get some nice friendly strangers to do the toss the treat and make strangers not so scary. Hope some of this makes sense and know you are not alone. My girl Loves her kids and her Friends and will bite those that get in her space to fast if she does not know them. She was teeth and she know and will use them. My job is to manage her stress and her surrounding to keep her safe. Why is it we must have dogs like everyone, we as humans do not like everyone. As an owner of a girl that gets spooked I say no a ton to people getting all up in her face. We are training , have an amazing vet/ behaviorist and are on the way to see one of the best aggression trainers in North America this month. This is manageable and pup can have a happy safe life. Love, time and patience can heal and make life workable. Joy |
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