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12-30-2005, 05:34 PM | #16 |
Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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| Folks this can be a very serious problem and not because of the groomer but what her vet said. He/she see’s a lot of animals so if he/she feels that this dog needs a trainer than I would listen to him/her not knowing what is going on for sure here. Dog bites are taken very seriously in most states and there are plenty of lawsuits to prove it (by the way I don’t think a groomer can sue because it is in their line of work). You need to remember this country is lawsuit happy and just because he is small & cute doesn't mean he is protected from these laws. You could lose a lot of $$$ and the dog could lose its life. Go walk the pounds and see how many little dogs are on death row for biting children or other people, even Yorkies. In Arizona it is 1 (warning) 2 (ticket) & 3 (death row). The judge doesn't care if he is cute or small. The law is the law. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/civil.htm I will also tell you that I have been around dogs my entire life but the worst bite I ever received was from a Yorkie. He bit down to the bone and it hurt like hell. I should have had stitches but I knew the hospital would have to report the dog bite and I will forever have a scar because of this bite. I have had 3 Yorkies come into rescue because of their biting and if I did not take them they would die. The Humane Society called me on 2 and the pound vet called me on 1 (even though she was breaking the law). I have been bitten more than my fair share from these neutered little Yorkies because of their high fear biting and their lack of early training or socialization. Some of the dogs I rescued were turned into rescue by their original owner and for the most part none of the dogs ever had any kind of training. If you also look at National Rescue’s for Yorkies you will see that they for the most part will not adopt out to families with small children because of the liability. The rescue organization does not want to be sued if a child was bit. Also small dogs can be snippy as it is their only form of protection and they can be very aggressive. Now having said all of this there are a couple of things I would be aware of. First, if this trainer comes in and wants to do anything that will inflict pain on your dog (choke collar, shock collar) slam the door in their face. This will only cause your dog to be more violent. I am in big favor of behaviorists along with clicker training. The second note is finding a groomer who is very gentle with dogs and I agree stay away from Petsmart type of place. I would explain to the groomer what happened as best you know. I do not think grooming has to be a scary thing but it takes time and is a slow process for the dog to feel comfortable. I still have to muzzle 3 of mine because they can’t stand having me touch their toes but mine are older and your guy is still young. Many groomers inflict pain on these little ones and some even dope the dogs up. They make $$$ with how many dogs they can see in a day and they don’t have time to mess around with a difficult dog. I don’t mean to scare you with this and I am thrilled that you have already called a trainer in. You can change this around because he is still young but it will take an effort on your part but I can see you are up for the challenge. We have a couple of great members on YT who are very knowledgeable about clicker training and you might search for their threads. Good Luck and Let us know how it is going.
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12-30-2005, 05:38 PM | #17 | |
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Joy and Carol (FirstYorkie) are the two people I was talking about in my thread that can help you with clicker training and Joy really has a handle on fear aggression. I am so thankful both members are on YT. I do agree with her on vets not understanding aggression but your vet at least recommended a trainer rather than just putting the dog down - which many will.
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12-30-2005, 05:49 PM | #18 |
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| Thanks livingdustmops for recognizing my skills. I am happy to share What I have had to learn. I am lucky enough to have one of the best clicker trainers/ vet/behavoiurist in Canada right in my back yard. I am lucky that she loves my girl as much as I do and we have worked hard to help her live a happy life. She points me in the right direction and I go do it. This takes a big commitment and lots of time but well worth it when you get them happy and trained. The love that they pour out when the world makes sence is just amazing. Right now his little world does not make sence to him so that why I say and stress..... slow ,easy and gentle. Also you are going to have to say no I have a biter or no he is cranky as he is tired and not let people near him. This is a subject near and dear to my heart and I am sure that it comes out in my posts. I can not stress enough that if my girl did not have me and my vet she been dead long ago. Joy |
12-30-2005, 06:05 PM | #19 | |
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Yes, sadly many small dogs are put down because of this... Keep up the good work
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12-30-2005, 06:23 PM | #20 | |
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Some experts say expose your puppy to 100 different people and 100 different dogs by the time that they are 4-5 months old! The pup needs to continue to be exposed to different people & dogs after that as well, but they say up until about 4-5 months is a CRUCIAL window.
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12-30-2005, 10:40 PM | #21 |
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| 5 pound vicious beast Thank you all for your support about my fearful puppy. We got Bayley at 20 weeks, a little older then what we wanted, but when you fall in love you can't help it. I don't know if anything unpleasant happened to him while at the breeder. He was in great health, when we got him. He has been neutered. Right off the bat, as soon as we got him, we brought him around many different people. He is so afraid, his whole body shakes. Its like he is shivering. He is getting a little better with that. At first, he was terrified of the school bus stop. Now, he cant wait to get there and see his little doggie friends. So I think with some good training, I hope he will come around. The trainer that is coming, said he uses gentle approaches. So, we will see. I will keep you posted. |
12-30-2005, 11:41 PM | #22 | |
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12-31-2005, 01:36 AM | #23 |
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| My Yorkie is sweet and gentle and loves everyone and every dog he meets. If a stranger comes into the house, he will lick their face, kiss them, cuddle up and take a nap on their lap. BUT - let's talk about bath time. He really doesn't mind being bathed - He doesn't struggle much and will even drink tap water while I'm bathing him. It's when we're done and I try to towel dry him that he turns into a struggling little monster. He growls and trys to bite - a lot. He just hates being dried. So - I do this as quickly as possible. After this, I let him go and he runs playfully around the house like a crazy maniac - like most dogs do after a bath. I was thinking that if I took my dog to your groomer - she'd say, "Oh no - not another one!!!" My pup is almost 16 weeks old. He has had a bath every week since I got him, and I have given him at least two haircuts. He doesn't seem to mind these much either, but certainly won't hold still at all. He is a real wiggleworm. As long as I keep him in a puppy cut, I won't need to take him to the groomer very often. But, I feel sorry for her the day she gets him. Unless, he starts settling down a little better. I have had several dogs that need grooming - big time!!! and have used my groomer for years. I trust her completely and like her very much as a person. My rules for myself when I bath and groom my dog are --- be firm and be fast!!! It has to be done and we're going to do it...... I realize your little pup may be more aggressive than mine - but is it possible that he's at his worst at the groomers???? -- and not as bad the rest of the time? If he is really exhibiting fear aggression - as everyone said, getting on top of it ASAP is important. I have a fearful dog - one that has improved a lot since he was a pup. But he has never been an aggressive dog - just the opposite....very sweet and very shy. Dogs are all different, aren't they? Good luck! Carol Jean |
01-01-2006, 09:21 AM | #24 | |
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01-01-2006, 12:28 PM | #25 |
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| My yorkie will soon be a year old and he freaks about the towel drying.I just rough him up a little and dry him anyway,I never thought about it but a groomer would probably be surprized.It is the only time he gets aggresive and he is in the towel so I just dry him .He is the nicest dog in the world other wize he just hates the towel and always has. |
01-01-2006, 01:32 PM | #26 |
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| We took one of our dogs to obedience school and the woman tried to convince us we needed to give him up saying he was out of hand. We later learned the woman wanted him. Perhaps this is the case with the groomer you dealt with. With her saying that you didn't need that puppy and that she could help you get another one it sure sounds like she wants yours. It sounds like she was playing you the way the woman tried to play us. I would find a groomer who the puppy was comfortable with or one who let's you watch so you can see everything go's ok. Our yorkie groomer comes to our house and grooms them in her van. We have the option to stay in the house or to watch her. We know the dogs are comfortable with her because she came and played with them before groming them as an interview. It was wonderful. Dogs can tell if people are dog lovers or not so nice. If your baby is sweet with you and not her it might be she is also too rough. Good luck. :c) |
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