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08-06-2013, 11:03 AM | #1 |
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| Dare I start a question about puppymills...here goes So i have been skimming the threads about puppymills one thing ive realized is that once a breeder says the word teacup she/he is considered a puppymill...what is the correlation between a teacup puppy n puppymill? could a puppymill be a puppymill without advertising teacups? Next question what is considered a puppymill a person who is just trying to make money from producing dogs or a person who abuses their animals? Now i may get alot of angry comments for this next statement but is it possible for a breeder like my breeder to just want to make money from a puppy but not abuse or not ,not take care of her animals? wouldnt that just be considered a plane breeder? Whats so wrong with selling a puppy (not including the discussion about genetics n dna testing) who doesnt necessarily live in puppymill conditions and doesnt necessarily breed the 3 to 4 pound moms (and does use the word teacup ) ive been scratching my head over this i just dont see the problem. |
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08-06-2013, 11:10 AM | #2 |
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| teacup is a marketing tactic. its a way to get more money. no such thing. from what i have learned here you breed to better the breed. so mixing say yorkie and maltese for instance for your designer morkie is not bettering the breed. also from what i have read here if you are doing things correctly you wont make a ton of money overnight. the health of the mom and dad and babies should come first. im sure others will give you much more insight.
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08-06-2013, 11:11 AM | #3 | |
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08-06-2013, 11:12 AM | #4 | |
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Yes A puppymill can be a puppymill without advertising teacups. Some puppymills don't even advertise they just sell to brokers only and auctions. A legal puppymill is licensed by the USDA an illegal is just that illegal they often have a high volume/ some low volume business, they cage their animals, often several kennels high, and with no contact other than to feed or clean (when they bother). They live in deplorable conditions, often times. There is nothing wrong with selling an incidental Tiny, its when they breed for tiny that makes it unethical...intentioanally breeding potentially unhealthy babies/tinies is wrong...that's like humans intentionally trying to produce blonds, males, etc...selective breeding, not standard breeding is wrong. Does this help my dear Amy? I'm really glad to see you are educating yourself but keep going girlie...I know your getting there!
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08-06-2013, 11:14 AM | #5 | |
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08-06-2013, 11:17 AM | #6 |
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| Amy I suggest in the future you try wording your titles in a "softer" way...like...Puppymill information please...not Dare I.....not that I'm telling you how to post! Lol I really am glad your working on this, truly....I knew you had it in you...
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08-06-2013, 11:22 AM | #7 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Answers in BOLD So i have been skimming the threads about puppymills one thing ive realized is that once a breeder says the word teacup she/he is considered a puppymill...what is the correlation between a teacup puppy n puppymill? PM's don't care whether using a marketing/buzz word is detrimental to a breed. Therefore, using the word 'teacup' can be indicative of an unethical breeder or PM. Also, PM's breed for quantity and if using/abusing a word means more sales, you can be darn sure they'll use it ad nauseum. could a puppymill be a puppymill without advertising teacups? Sure. Next question what is considered a puppymill a person who is just trying to make money from producing dogs or a person who abuses their animals? Well first, a PM by definition is abusive to their animals. PM's are cruel, horrific places. So yes, a PM would involve BOTH 'trying to make money from producing dogs' and being abusive to animals. Now i may get alot of angry comments for this next statement but is it possible for a breeder like my breeder to just want to make money from a puppy but not abuse or not ,not take care of her animals? wouldnt that just be considered a plane breeder? Yes, it's possible for someone to want to make money off of animals, but they don't necessarily abuse said animals. I wouldn't call that a 'plain breeder', I'd call that a backyard breeder...I'd also call them unethical for USING ANIMALS, living creatures (!!!), to make money. To me, that's deplorable. I don't believe in making money off of selling living, breathing, precious beings. Whats so wrong with selling a puppy (not including the discussion about genetics n dna testing) who doesnt necessarily live in puppymill conditions and doesnt necessarily breed the 3 to 4 pound moms (and does use the word teacup ) ive been scratching my head over this i just dont see the problem. See everything above.
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08-06-2013, 11:22 AM | #8 |
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| Teacup is just a money hype term often used to sell regular-sized puppies too but they are rehomed so early at 5 and 6 weeks they are still quite small. Others truly do deal in the misery of breeding undersized, fragile dogs for the purpose of producing severely undersized dogs for more money, as many women will pay a lot more $$$ for a very undersized dog. BYB'er's, some show breeders or uneducated breeders might breed for an abnormally tiny litter so they can charge more money. So the term teacup doesn't automatically mean puppymill to me personally.
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08-06-2013, 11:24 AM | #9 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I consider a puppy mill to be a commercial breeder who is breeding for profit and not for health or betterment of the breed. It has nothing to do with advertising or how they market their dogs. The main component is that kennel conditions are substandard and don't meet state laws or barely meet minimum. Breeding dogs are breed to death and little or no vet care and no grooming care. Grooming might sound frivolous, but without grooming dogs can become so matted that they can no longer walk and this happens at many mills. A back yard breeder is someone who breeds for profit, takes no real interest in the breed or the health problems, doesn't study the lines, does no health testing, doesn't know or understand what the "standard" is and why it's important, breeds pets, not dogs specifically meant for breeding. She doesn't abuse the dog the way some millers do, but her lack of knowledge in breeding can have abusive effects on her breeding dogs, and on the puppies she produces. By the way, reputable breeders do not market their dogs, so breeding for "off colors" or teacups is not a component of the breeding programs. They are breeding to preserve and improve the breed, and they try to find suitable homes for the offspring that won't by used in their breeding programs. They do occasionally have smaller than average dogs, but they don't market them as "special" and worth more. They look for homes that can give the special care these tinies sometimes need.
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08-06-2013, 11:25 AM | #10 | |
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08-06-2013, 11:30 AM | #11 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | Your questions in black, my answers in red. So i have been skimming the threads about puppymills one thing ive realized is that once a breeder says the word teacup she/he is considered a puppymill...what is the correlation between a teacup puppy n puppymill? The term "teacup" is a marketing term trying to appeal to buyers of undersized and frequently unhealthy puppies. The term might be used by puppy mills, backyard breeders and those who haven't bothered to learn that there is only one classification of yorkies -Toy. could a puppymill be a puppymill without advertising teacups? Yes. A puppy mill deals in quantity. Dogs are considered live stock and property, not pets. -Next question what is considered a puppymill a person who is just trying to make money from producing dogs or a person who abuses their animals? See above. A dog abuser is an a-hole, no matter how many dogs they have/breed. Now i may get alot of angry comments for this next statement but is it possible for a breeder like my breeder to just want to make money from a puppy but not abuse or not ,not take care of her animals? wouldnt that just be considered a plane breeder? No. Your breeder would be considered a BYB (backyard breeder ) or a greeder. You've told us multiple times about her. We've seen her site. She breeds mutts without regard to genetics and is in no way trying to improve breeds. Whats so wrong with selling a puppy (not including the discussion about genetics n dna testing) who doesnt necessarily live in puppymill conditions and doesnt necessarily breed the 3 to 4 pound moms (and does use the word teacup ) ive been scratching my head over this i just dont see the problem. Breeding a dame under 5 pounds is exceedingly dangerous to her health. If a breeder isn't doing all health testing and only breeding to strengthen the breed (NOT MIXING BREEDS!!!), then he/she is hurting the health of dogs in the long run.
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08-06-2013, 11:36 AM | #12 | |
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08-06-2013, 11:57 AM | #13 |
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| There are also back yard breeders who are just people who pretty much put two dogs together have puppies and just want to make money and they also use the use the word teacup. The word teacup is simply a word used to jack up the prices of pup. A reputable breeder breeds for the sole purpose to better the breed so when there breeding mixes like your breeder then that automatically makes them a back yard breeder or puppy mill. Any breeder who breeds just for money is also in my opinion a back yard breeder. Your breeder has been looked into and all I can say is pray pray pray your pup stays healthy because what was found is not good not good at all.
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08-06-2013, 11:59 AM | #14 |
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| I see all of everyone's point. Some said backyard breeders are not trying to better the breed only breeding for money fine I can agree with you on that...now what about the betterment of a the breed ,lets use my breeder for the sake of conversation, she never had an unhealthy pup before...she claims she used good lines n all akc...so if there not show dogs n she breeds healthy dogs what more can a regular pet owner ask for? |
08-06-2013, 12:07 PM | #15 | |
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