Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4287333)

I don't like the way the first paragraph reads here, the way I perceive it anyway, I meant that YOU and so many others in PA are so immune to the Puppymills there that you don't even notice them anymore, desensitized to them. PA puppymills are loaded with Biewers and many other pups and it drives me crazy. The Amish being the biggest offenders IMHO. Its outrageous to me. I wish you and others would work harder there to get these places shut down in your state. You actually seem like the kind of person who should be involved with something like this. I think you could do a lot of good, if you wanted to.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4287455)

:thumbup: Lynzy you are wonderful just the way you are....you don't have to be big or on OPRAH...ANY HELP IS GOOD HELP...FOR THE LOVE OF THE PUPS....Be true to thine own self....

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4286772)

Teehee I just couldn't resist. What about the Chinese breeds? Sharpei for example.
Pekenese?

Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4287519)

Figure of speech. You wanna get in the mix now to...LMAO! Peace!

Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4287577)

I would just like to inject here that many states have tried to enact laws with real teeth that would put the puppy mills out of business, however, the AKC continually lobbies against these laws. They have the power and influence to stop any significant change in legislation and have done so many times.

Although AKC is a respected registry for purebred dogs they also represent thousands of large scale breeders. Many, many puppy mills are AKC participants and AKC goes to bat for them.

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma (Post 4287446)

Well instead of saying "WE" as in those that live in PA need to do more, do your part next time your in this area...if ya see a sign like that just tear it down. Even if they realize it the next day and put another one up, thats one less day and maybe one less pup that was purchased to support puppy mills. "WE" rescue personnel have done it and continue to do so.

Not debating about a breed here. I never heard of a Biewer (common term used around here is a tri-color) and you say I must be keeping my eyes shut. Does that mean I have to sink to your level and say your eyes are shut cause you never heard of a Saluki? Thats silly, for I would expect someone who is a YT person not to know what it is. But then again, I am surprised as to how many educated YT people on here do know. :bravo:

Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4287577)

I would just like to inject here that many states have tried to enact laws with real teeth that would put the puppy mills out of business, however, the AKC continually lobbies against these laws. They have the power and influence to stop any significant change in legislation and have done so many times.

Although AKC is a respected registry for purebred dogs they also represent thousands of large scale breeders. Many, many puppy mills are AKC participants and AKC goes to bat for them.

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma (Post 4287428)

Thank you for realizing that, but, in place of that you state above "YOU". Sorry to bust your chops but I am active with the largest puppy mill rescue in the United States which is Main Line Animal Rescue. Instead of worrying what we do in our state, it would be great if you were involved in yours? Eh? They are all over the place, it is just that in PA due to the Amish, we have more. I wish you and others would work harder in getting these places shut down in your state as well. As many YT people here say, education is a priority. I am not specifically a "YT" person and you stating I keep my eyes shut or "immune" was uncalled for. I could easily say that same statement to you as never hearing of a Saluki and they are an ancient breed. But then again, like you said also, your a "YT" person so how would you know? Being involved, like I am, in a rescue with a diversity of breeds is interesting and makes me less ignorant.

Bill Smith, who is considered the King of puppy mill rescue, has his own way of doing the rescues. Another educational fact is that it would be wise for you to do some investigating about the laws here in PA if your going to make such statements as the public "doing more". We cannot just go onto private property and seize any dog(s). Bill tries his best to get a relationship going with these BYB and the Amish. Once that is established, he goes to them mostly on a daily basis. Before the puppy mill owner takes that 7-8 year old yorkie female that cannot produce anymore or who is sterile, or takes that 2-3 yr old male who is not up to par as a stud and shoots them in the head behind the barn, Bill takes them off his hands and off to the rescue they go. Yes, shooting a dog as a way of euthanazia is legal here. Only so much we as a community can do to try to stop these crazy laws put forth by state lawmakers. Another educational fact: PA has the harshest puppy mills laws of any state!
Here is an excerpt from a well known canine magazine. This is also availabe on the rescues website www.mlar.org/about/


Main Line Animal Rescue is nationally recognized as a leader in the fight against puppy mill abuse. Our 2008 billboard in Chicago led to Oprah Winfrey’s groundbreaking and award winning expose on puppy mills and featured our undercover investigation with acclaimed journalist Lisa Ling. One year later, our efforts with Suzanne Smalley of Newsweek led to Whole Foods Markets issuing a directive to all their suppliers: they would no longer source any products from farmers also operating puppy mills. In 2011, MLAR wrapped a transit bus on the streets of Washington DC to draw attention to the USDA’s continued failure to protect dogs in federally licensed breeding kennels. Our work on behalf of puppy mill dogs has been profiled in People and featured on the Today show, Nightline, and numerous Animal Planet television programs. Main Line Animal Rescue was also instrumental in the passing of Pennsylvania’s new dog laws.

And here is that puppy mill episode, for I am happy to say that I know Bill personally and what he is doing is amazing! It does have graphic material so those of you who are afraid of the truth, then dont watch!!! To those of you who want to take this post as educational and want to know the facts, then I'd advise viewing it.


Puppymills - YouTube

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4287455)

:thumbup: Lynzy you are wonderful just the way you are....you don't have to be big or on OPRAH...ANY HELP IS GOOD HELP...FOR THE LOVE OF THE PUPS....Be true to thine own self....

Originally Posted by JuneBugs Momma (Post 4287446)

Well instead of saying "WE" as in those that live in PA need to do more, do your part next time your in this area...if ya see a sign like that just tear it down. Even if they realize it the next day and put another one up, thats one less day and maybe one less pup that was purchased to support puppy mills. "WE" rescue personnel have done it and continue to do so.

Not debating about a breed here. I never heard of a Biewer (common term used around here is a tri-color) and you say I must be keeping my eyes shut. Does that mean I have to sink to your level and say your eyes are shut cause you never heard of a Saluki? Thats silly, for I would expect someone who is a YT person not to know what it is. But then again, I am surprised as to how many educated YT people on here do know. :bravo:

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4287453)

Oh for goodness sakes you chose to seize the moment didn't you? I did clarify my post had you read further....You are on YT talking about Biewers being rare....there are numerous puppymills in PA of which I live nearby, very near and regularly am also involved in helping with the "situation"....Many, many, many many many many of these puppymills have Biewers and I see it all the time why haven't you???as well as byb's in your specific state. I had forgotten you worked with Mainline and are obsessed with Oprah and the publicity that comes with it that you have rammed down our throats numerous times. I never saw the episode and quite frankly don't like Oprah...I am not a fan of Oprah or Martha or any of those types that make millions off of Americans...blah, blah, blah...I don't know Bill personally, and really I'm too busy...

Last time I checked my American Citizenship came with freedom...not with borders around states...And if your belief and your statement is to let PA and Mainline etc handle PA's staggering puppymill problems without help from the rest of us...that is absolutey shameful, its been proven by the current state of the problem you most certainly do need help. I wonder what Mainline would say if they knew you were chasing supporters away????? Shame on you for even implying that I should not help PA. I can comment on PA, NY or any other state... your comment about my state, in fact; your whole paragraph is utterly preposterous and your primadonna attitude is boring and your obsession with Bill, Oprah and having your name attached to the rescue is just plain weird.

All rescues, big or small are equally important lady and quite frankly I think your statements are all laced with self absorbing bs. Congrats on having the biggest rescue, I wasn't aware there was a competition in the Rescue world, and for your diverse involvement with various breeds...I wil not sit and brag to you what I do here or in PA or in Turkey or in Ghanda, I don't have a need to be so self absorbing...Ignorant? The only ignorance I see here is your lack of proper communication and I surely hope you don't speak on behalf of Mainline regularly, your public speaking abilities quite frankly are lacking in many areas and are quite honestly downright crude. You like attention as evident by your posts here and your constant repetitive remarks.

BTW PA's new dog laws are wonderful but there is a loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnggggggggg way to go, I will keep doing my part in PA.

Originally Posted by normarae63 (Post 4287603)

I so wish we had more members here that are also members of the AKC. I'd love to hear their viewpoints on this & until I've seen for myself documentation of the AKC supporting puppymills, I will continue to refer people to them when looking for a purebred pup. However, I do also tell people that it's the buyers' responsibility to really research ANY breeder they may find. As with anything, there's always more to the story than what is reported by the ASPCA & HSUS. I've seen articles on both organizations websites stating inaccurate claims, ie mixed breeds are more healthy & have less genetic defects than purebred dogs.

There's NO WAY nine inspectors nationwide is enough to properly handle home visitations of all the breeders connected to the AKC.

I TOTALLY support those who choose instead to adopt a pup from reputable rescues.

Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4287577)

I would just like to inject here that many states have tried to enact laws with real teeth that would put the puppy mills out of business, however, the AKC continually lobbies against these laws. They have the power and influence to stop any significant change in legislation and have done so many times.

Although AKC is a respected registry for purebred dogs they also represent thousands of large scale breeders. Many, many puppy mills are AKC participants and AKC goes to bat for them.