something that REALLY grinds my gears...

[chachi]

Courtney I understand your concerns but you have to rremember some of us have been here a long time. We have seen tiny breeders who have claimed to be reputable on here. One in particular was very sought After and alot of members bought pups from her in time though serious health issues shown up in her lines and members were left with pups with serious health issues that she did nothing about. Its not just her its been others and it has always ended badly. We have seen the tinies in the sick and injured section with liver shunt. We have seen the ones injured because they jump off a couch. that is why there is passion when educating on this issue

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

And I get that. A couple of weeks ago I commented on a thread of a new member who was really upset and leaving YT because of all of the "education" she was receiving. I realize how passionate a lot of us are about our dogs and the breed as a whole and they were simply trying to stop her from a future heartache. The website she posted was nothing but red flags. A kindergartner could've seen that but she didn't know any better so even though she was upset i'm glad she did come across YT to become educated.

I saw that too. If we could get a section, area, something to post about teacups so people could go there and get eductated, that would be great! Educating could be done, but there would be a link to use to further the research for the people who want to know about them. Less bashing a new person over the head with the proverbial t-word yorkie! More new members staying to learn!

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by cindersellie

I saw that too. If we could get a section, area, something to post about teacups so people could go there and get eductated, that would be great! Educating could be done, but there would be a link to use to further the research for the people who want to know about them. Less bashing a new person over the head with the proverbial t-word yorkie! More new members staying to learn!

The subject is covered in the library under Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie Frequently Asked Questions, and in the breeding section, how to find a reputable breeder.

"Is there such as a thing as a teacup Yorkie?":
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...html#post63423

[nanahas3]

When I first came to YT I was very confused at one point because I heard all the things about not buying pups advertised as teacups because they were bred by bad breeders. At that time we had a breeder who sold pups who were from dams weighing under 4lbs. I started a thread about why it was ok for some to breed and sell them here and others not, and you want to hear drama lol you should of read that one. There were so many I respected defending this breeder because she was a member here, and so many had bought pups from her. Her puppies were tiny and beautiful but like chachi said it eventually showed up with so many of these poor souls being seriously ill. I guess that is why I feel such a need to educate the unsuspecting buyers. Oh I could of gotten upset and left over it but I chose to stick it out and learn.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

correct chachi I just want people to understand that there ARE smaller yorkies who do come from reputable breeders (not by fault).

It's so true that even the most reputable breeder can have a runt or very undersized puppy. My Jilly was a runt born half the size of her littermates, so ill she was barely alive, but deliberate or not, she still had so many size-related medical problems, as can other unusually small puppies that make it to adulthood. Of course, not all runts stay small or are unhealthy and all are still noble animals. Still, it's probably wise to always proceed with caution, be prepared and know what you might be getting into when considering getting the smallest pup of the litter if it is unusually small or frail.

Here is a simple, short article about little runts.

What Causes a Dog to Be the Runt of the Litter? | Dog Care - The Daily Puppy

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by Maximo

The subject is covered in the library under Yorkshire Terrier Yorkie Frequently Asked Questions, and in the breeding section, how to find a reputable breeder.

"Is there such as a thing as a teacup Yorkie?":
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...html#post63423

nevermind. I thought it would be a good way to educate, but we have it, so it's not needed.

[Julia Howard]

I remember 20 years ago the measuring stick for yorkies was how long and beautiful the coats were and you didnt hear as much about size.

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by chachi

Courtney I understand your concerns but you have to rremember some of us have been here a long time. We have seen tiny breeders who have claimed to be reputable on here. One in particular was very sought After and alot of members bought pups from her in time though serious health issues shown up in her lines and members were left with pups with serious health issues that she did nothing about. Its not just her its been others and it has always ended badly. We have seen the tinies in the sick and injured section with liver shunt. We have seen the ones injured because they jump off a couch. that is why there is passion when educating on this issue

thats fair and i should've taken that into consideration I guess when I was talking I was thinking on a more simplistic level and in terms of if say the most reputable breeder in the history of breeders had a tiny. I wasn't thinking about the breeders who consider themselves reputable that purposely breed for tinies. I was thinking more along the lines of someone on the YTCA website had a litter that popped a tiny.

[gracielove]

There is a lot of information in the library and in various "sticky" threads but I see new people come here all the time that apparently never think to do any research on their own. You can direct them to it but it seems some are not really interested in reading very much. They have their particular issue or question and apparently don't have the time or interest to read further.

There are good experienced and reputable breeders here at YT and it would be nice if they would write some articles about purebred breeding and why they need to take the time and expense that they do in order to continue producing quality pups. So many people think you can just take any purebred and hook it up with any other purebred and get some of the same. That kind of breeding results in dogs that eventually look little like the original breed not to mention the health issues it brings forward.

Some people get away with buying a BYB or puppy mill pup and so they think it's all nonsense, totally disregarding educated and experienced breeder's warnings. Most are not so lucky and above all the dogs used for breeding continue to suffer.

[Julia Howard]

Can I ask about the type of problems that showed up in the tinies of the breeder that was on here? Just curious.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Julia Howard

Can I ask about the type of problems that showed up in the tinies of the breeder that was on here? Just curious.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gre...yorkies-3.html
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-yorkies.html

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Julia Howard

Can I ask about the type of problems that showed up in the tinies of the breeder that was on here? Just curious.

It was terrible because of the number of members who had bought from her. It was AAI that showed up in her lines. She denied it. It was Natalies yorkies and she claimed to be a reputable breeder because she had been doing it for 30 yrs

[chachi]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

thats fair and i should've taken that into consideration I guess when I was talking I was thinking on a more simplistic level and in terms of if say the most reputable breeder in the history of breeders had a tiny. I wasn't thinking about the breeders who consider themselves reputable that purposely breed for tinies. I was thinking more along the lines of someone on the YTCA website had a litter that popped a tiny.

Oh I agree a reputable can and do get tinies and they just have to place them in an appropriate home

[MidnightUnicorn]

I'm jumping in late here. I must say, I agree with Courtney.

I have a tiny yorkie. Tatiana is 3 lbs. I don't mind when others refer to her as a teacup. She's approaching six years old, and healthy as a horse. Every major vet procedure she went through (spay, dental extractions, etc.), she made a full recovery quickly. The vet remarked how scrappy she was.

Not every tiny yorkie is sickly or came from a bad breeder. In fact, Tatiana seems healthier than some larger yorkies I've come across.

Also, Tatiana looks remarkably young for her age. She ages well, too. People do a double-take when I tell them her age (they asked me). Some crazy woman told me,"Almost six years old? You must mean in human years, so she's almost one year old." I said,"No, she six years old in DOG years. She was born in 2007." That woman was shocked. Incidentally, why would say my dog's age in HUMAN years??

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

thats fair and i should've taken that into consideration I guess when I was talking I was thinking on a more simplistic level and in terms of if say the most reputable breeder in the history of breeders had a tiny. I wasn't thinking about the breeders who consider themselves reputable that purposely breed for tinies. I was thinking more along the lines of someone on the YTCA website had a litter that popped a tiny.

You have to understand that MOST breeders think they are reputable, when we know that most are NOT. Does a byb'er label themselves as such? Of course not. I would even go as far and say that millers don't think they are millers.