something that REALLY grinds my gears...

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

Awesome. Just curious! No judgement at all. My point being there are some dogs under 4lbs that come from reputable breeders and they shouldn't be looked at as a charity case. I'm sure you know all of the precautions of owning a tiny already so how would it make you feel if people threw all of these "facts" at you and bashed where you got your little one?

I didn't take your question in a bad way- I never met Peanut’s breeder. I was working at a Vet at the time and one of the clients who came in owned a Pet Store. She sold puppies. She never had a lot at one time and all the breeds she sold were from breeders in the area. Seeing her bring all the puppies in for shots and exams- we got pretty close. I told her to find me a Yorkie- I wanted a girl. She brought me a girl almost every week- I didn’t really like any of the girls she was bringing. I gave her a description of what I wanted, then one day she called me and said I have your dog. She brought me Peanut, before knowing he was a he, I fell in love- Then she told me well she is a he.. but I didn't care- I knew he was mine.

For me personally I don’t care what people say or think about me or where I bought Peanut. That stuff doesn't get to me. I just think sometimes debates on here are just silly.

[cindersellie]

Well, now we all know the T-word is bad! That's a good thing. Would be nice to educate people who are searching for a t- word pup about what online breeders are about. Even a place to tell them experiences from having one. They might not want one if they knew (saw)some of the stories I've read.

[lovespandp]

I think it is great to educate people, but I’m sure there is a point where people stop reading because of the nonsense in the middle.

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

I think it is great to educate people, but I’m sure there is a point where people stop reading because of the nonsense in the middle.

Agreed!

[yorkietalkjilly]

I think it's quite helpful to members here and to the public with so many on YT working to try in some way to prevent the misery and suffering that comes from breeders risking breeding 3 - 4 lb. females to get smaller and smaller puppies in order to meet the needs of the public and in the process make bigger profits while creating Yorkies with yet more and more genetic problems as the tiny bodies try to downsize more and more with organs or joints and other body parts that don't make the transition properly.

If anyone doubts the reality of these very real issues for the little dogs involved and that it isn't wise to inform and even debate size-related problems of these dogs due to irresponsible breeding practices and the people involved in that big business, just Google the terms "problems with breeding teacup Yorkies" and see the heartbreak and suffering described in the long list of medical problems the puppies are prone to have from CT to liver shunt to terrible orthopedic painful conditions and on and on. If you are a suffering 2.5 lb. dog, unable to breathe properly and honking almost constantly due to your CT can't walk well let alone run or jump due to Grade III LP in both patellae, well then it's a big problem - it hurts and scares you and robs you of a good dog's life.

I'm really proud of the message that YorkieTalk sends to people thinking that a 2.5 - 3.5 lb. dog or smaller is what they would like and that message is know what you might be supporting in doing business with that breeder and the problems of the dog you might bring home and don't be shocked if your little tiny has many medical issues. And be prepared for the psychological pain you will have watching the dog suffer and the enormous vet costs if you do happen to get one of those that did inherit one or more of those size-related medical conditions.

Everybody is free to buy the size dog they want from the breeder they personally like and choose to support financially and YT is here to help inform those that want to hear about the sad business of breeding Yorkies ever smaller and smaller to meet today's womens' likes and wants and tell of the often grisly medical side of that process for the tiny little dogs involved. If they do choose to buy an undersized Yorkshire Terrier, at least they know what to expect and hopefully, their dog at least, will be healthy and happy and long-lived. But if it's not, at least they can't say they didn't know if they hung around and read much on YorkieTalk.

[nanahas3]

I read the original posts from the OP as why teacup is a bad word and why YT doesn't allow a club for pups under 4 lbs and I really feel that is what the majority of us were responding to. I don't really think anyone was bashing the breeder because as has been stated by many, even the very best of breeders get the tiny ones once in a while. The sad truth of the matter though is that there is an awful lot of bad breeding going on to produce the tiniest of babies and we have all read the horror stories about the health issues some of them of had. Honestly to the OP we have followed your story and felt your joy with your breeder and Miley and I don't think any of us were trying to pick apart you, your breeder, or beautiful little Miley.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I read the original posts from the OP as why teacup is a bad word and why YT doesn't allow a club for pups under 4 lbs and I really feel that is what the majority of us were responding to. I don't really think anyone was bashing the breeder because as has been stated by many, even the very best of breeders get the tiny ones once in a while. The sad truth of the matter though is that there is an awful lot of bad breeding going on to produce the tiniest of babies and we have all read the horror stories about the health issues some of them of had. Honestly to the OP we have followed your story and felt your joy with your breeder and Miley and I don't think any of us were trying to pick apart you, your breeder, or beautiful little Miley.

I wasnt bashing her breeder and was just curious when I asked for the website. I appologized to Courtney because some things out of line were said and she appologized to me so all is good between me and courtney. I think she still has concerns about the way people are treated on here when they say they want a tiny. So that is the lingering issue remaining

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I think it's quite helpful to members here and to the public with so many on YT working to try in some way to prevent the misery and suffering that comes from breeders risking breeding 3 - 4 lb. females to get smaller and smaller puppies in order to meet the needs of the public and in the process make bigger profits while creating Yorkies with yet more and more genetic problems as the tiny bodies try to downsize more and more with organs or joints and other body parts that don't make the transition properly.

If anyone doubts the reality of these very real issues for the little dogs involved and that it isn't wise to inform and even debate size-related problems of these dogs due to irresponsible breeding practices and the people involved in that big business, just Google the terms "problems with breeding teacup Yorkies" and see the heartbreak and suffering described in the long list of medical problems the puppies are prone to have from CT to liver shunt to terrible orthopedic painful conditions and on and on. If you are a suffering 2.5 lb. dog, unable to breathe properly and honking almost constantly due to your CT can't walk well let alone run or jump due to Grade III LP in both patellae, well then it's a big problem - it hurts and scares you and robs you of a good dog's life.

I'm really proud of the message that YorkieTalk sends to people thinking that a 2.5 - 3.5 lb. dog or smaller is what they would like and that message is know what you might be supporting in doing business with that breeder and the problems of the dog you might bring home and don't be shocked if your little tiny has many medical issues. And be prepared for the psychological pain you will have watching the dog suffer and the enormous vet costs if you do happen to get one of those that did inherit one or more of those size-related medical conditions.

Everybody is free to buy the size dog they want from the breeder they personally like and choose to support financially and YT is here to help inform those that want to hear about the sad business of breeding Yorkies ever smaller and smaller to meet today's womens' likes and wants and tell of the often grisly medical side of that process for the tiny little dogs involved. If they do choose to buy an undersized Yorkshire Terrier, at least they know what to expect and hopefully, their dog at least, will be healthy and happy and long-lived. But if it's not, at least they can't say they didn't know if they hung around and read much on YorkieTalk.

I completely agree...EDUCATE. But at the end of the day if someone decides to purchase a "teacup" anyway that's THEIR decision and they made that choice knowing all of the precautions and dangers that come with having a "teacup"

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by chachi

I think she still has concerns about the way people are treated on here when they say they want a tiny. So that is the lingering issue remaining

I think "tiny" needs to be defined. It doesn't mean the same thing to everyone.

I can't think of anyone who has been bashed for wanting a small Yorkie. The only thing I have read is frustration when people 1) go to wrong sources for the small dogs, i.e. brokers, and put size above all else 2) when people bring home a pup and then are upset when the pup starts growing larger than what they had hoped.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by chachi

I wasnt bashing her breeder and was just curious when I asked for the website. I appologized to Courtney because some things out of line were said and she appologized to me so all is good between me and courtney. I think she still has concerns about the way people are treated on here when they say they want a tiny. So that is the lingering issue remaining

I am so glad all is worked out between you. I honestly didn't feel you were being mean at all. I also have concerns at times about treatment of others on here but I really think everyone is trying to do much better. The sad thing is that we really cannot educate or be educated if we try only to make people happy by what we say. There are always going to be differing opinions but after you have been here a while you figure out if you post a controversial thread that is just what you are going to get lol. I think we all at one time or another have been offended by what someone said to us but YT is still to me the best place to learn about our breed there is.

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by chachi

I wasnt bashing her breeder and was just curious when I asked for the website. I appologized to Courtney because some things out of line were said and she appologized to me so all is good between me and courtney. I think she still has concerns about the way people are treated on here when they say they want a tiny. So that is the lingering issue remaining

correct chachi I wholeheartedly agree that it IS important to educate those who come across here about "teacups" because where I live people throw the word around as if it's the name of walmart. I was a victim to that because that's all I knew. I hadn't done any research and when I realized I started my search for the perfect "teacup" it became evident that NO reputable breeder breeds to get these pups. I could just tell from certain websites that it was a scam (and I was almost scammed twice by some "pastor who was moving out of the country and couldn't take his dog"). People were selling dogs and all you had to do was pay via paypal...that to me was a red flag I mean dogs aren't clothing items they shouldn't be put "in your cart" like an online store! Buta s you have stated my concern is the way some people (not speaking of you chachi) interrogate and approach members abrasively who want smaller yorkies. I just want people to understand that there ARE smaller yorkies who do come from reputable breeders (not by fault).

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

Damn all these post from morning?? I should have asked how many teeth should a "TEACUP" Yorkie have?? When I was asking about Moki teeth count

Haha! Great post. I should add the word "teacup" to each of the product pages in the online boutique to attract more traffic from search engines.

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I am so glad all is worked out between you. I honestly didn't feel you were being mean at all. I also have concerns at times about treatment of others on here but I really think everyone is trying to do much better. The sad thing is that we really cannot educate or be educated if we try only to make people happy by what we say. There are always going to be differing opinions but after you have been here a while you figure out if you post a controversial thread that is just what you are going to get lol. I think we all at one time or another have been offended by what someone said to us but YT is still to me the best place to learn about our breed there is.

And I get that. A couple of weeks ago I commented on a thread of a new member who was really upset and leaving YT because of all of the "education" she was receiving. I realize how passionate a lot of us are about our dogs and the breed as a whole and they were simply trying to stop her from a future heartache. The website she posted was nothing but red flags. A kindergartner could've seen that but she didn't know any better so even though she was upset i'm glad she did come across YT to become educated.

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Haha! Great post. I should add the word "teacup" to each of the product pages in the online boutique to attract more traffic from search engines.

hahahaha

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Haha! Great post. I should add the word "teacup" to each of the product pages in the online boutique to attract more traffic from search engines.

Ha! Great idea!!