something that REALLY grinds my gears...

[KathyKelben]

the term teacup means (to a reputable breeder) a potentiallly sick, unhealthy dog

teapot doesn't simple

[MyDearSam]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

I personally feel like smaller yorkies are looked down upon because BAD people have done BAD things to the dogs to achieve the "teacup". My baby IS healthy and she is smaller. So what does she just not fit into any club?

Isn't the "loved" club enough for her?

[Deb1]

In defense of the smaller than average yorkies.....there are many that are very healthy! Max was a healthy 4 lbs when we adopted him and he only goes to the vet to get his teeth cleaned, shots & check ups. He is 6 years old and very healthy. He is over weight now at 7 1/2 lbs, but we are working on that. There are also yorkies that are bigger than average or Teapots that have health issues! Just because they are small, doesn't mean they are sickly!

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by MyDearSam

Isn't the "loved" club enough for her?

I just dont see why the the bigger yorkies can have their own club with the term "teapot". PLEASE believe me when I say I get and understand everyones frustrations with the term because of what is associated with it. It's because of this thread that I even went through a REPUTABLE breeder and paid $1500 for a dog...I would've NEVER done that in a million years before researching here WHY it was important to go through a breeder. But not EVERYONE who has a smaller yorkie got their puppy from a BYB on their death bed.

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by KathyKelben

the term teacup means (to a reputable breeder) a potentiallly sick, unhealthy dog

teapot doesn't simple

But it only means that because of what BYBs have done to attain smaller UNHEALTHY yorkies

[gemy]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

Well look at how cute yorkies are...no wonder everyone wants one! I agree that no reputable breeder would purposely breed a "teacup" but they also aren't purposely breeding "teapots" either! I just don't understand why it's okay to use the term teapot but teacup is such a disgrace.

Awh ok I get your point now, and it is a very valid one. I think my point is that while teapots are over standard nobody is rushing to breed them, well maybe some do, but it seems that the "market" is not going "gaga" over getting a teapot Yorkie. So the bybers, puppymillers, and other unscrupulous breeders aren't falling all over themselves to breed the teapots.

The fashion craze well at least that is what I think it is, is for these small very small dogs, and well there is a market for them, that as you have intuited here, we believe to be filled by those self-same unscrupulous breeders, those that are out just for the buck. And doubly damn the health of the dog or progeny at all!

So we don't want to promote the term "teacup" as if this is a desirable term, which btw we do know is, in the whole lot wider world of Internet.

Anyhoo just my thoughts on this.

[chachi]

The teapot term was created on here as a joke. No where are you going to find bad breaders breeding oversized yorkiess and calling them teapot. That is why the term teapot is accepted and teacup is not. The Ytca the mother club of rhe yorkies doesnt recognize the term tcup and the AKC the chosen registry of yorkies doesnt recognized the term tcup. Bad breeders have created the term Tcup so why should we be expected to accept it

[cindersellie]

It's because there are breeders who breed small dogs, not breeding to the stand of 5 to 7 lb. They use the terms teacup to get 2.000 to 10.000 for a pup they deemed a teacup. They usually don't breed like the breeders I've seen here- don't know the dogs health histories, they're MOSTLY wanting to just make a ton of money off the tiny ones.

With that said... <--- not snarky, but this whole thing makes me smile because I was going to make a little teapot club, but never got around to it. (yet) It was going to be for any dogs under 5 lbs, but that excluded many people, so I was going to make it for 7 lbs and under. I still want to make it, I just haven't yet. Last time I tried the groups were totally messed up, so I'll try again, or help someone else that wants to make it.

The little teapot club was going to have to say in Gen chat that we "do not support unethical breeding of yorkies for lower than the standard of 5 lbs." if they joined. And then say something about why your pup should be in the group. Like the TEAPOTs do when they join, just something fun to do.

It was explained to me also that the Teapots came about because they are so large no one thought they were yorkies. That's a bit of the why's that I know.

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

One of the big differences between the two terms is the intent with which the term is used. Teapot is a loving term given to a Yorkie who is over the standard of 7 lbs, usually given by the Teapot's owner. It is NOT used as a marketing technique to scam individuals into paying more for a Yorkie. I've never ever seen or heard of a breeder advertising a Teapot for more $$ than for a standard 7 lb. and under Yorkie.

Teacup, on the other hand, is used as a marketing term to make prospective buyers to believe that the smaller Yorkies are somehow more valuable and justifies the breeder charging more $$.

I understand that and that's what bothers me about it. Let's be honest...very rarely do you see anyone who wants a teapot yorkie. When most people think yorkie they think smaller dogs. I wholeheartedly agree that the way the term teacup has been thrown around by the market IS the reason why teacup is so looked down upon. But for us who bought from a reputable breeder with a HEALTHY smaller yorkie...I just don't understand...

[KathyKelben]

there is nothing wrong with your yorkie. The term teapot means something different to the good breeders, than it does to the general public. teacup is potentially an unhealthy dog ... bred that way on purpose to make more money.... byb on purpose do bad things to their girls to try and get teeny, puppies so they can charge a $1000 more for them(if they live).... its cruel and inhumane.... therefore when the good breeders here the term teacup their minds immediately picture a starving bitch trying to feed babies that may die.... so that a greedy ignorant human can maybe make a few bucks.... unethical.

[LolaKaty]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

I've been meaning to address my feelings on this topic for awhile. It was recently brought up in a thread I responded to so I thought...perfect time to disclose my feelings.

I don't understand why the term "teacup" is such a hush hush topic here. It's like whenever someone says teacup everyone jumps out of their skin as if they've done something so wrong. Some people WANT smaller yorkies. That's the whole reason I picked Miley...she's estimated to be no more than 4.5 lbs. Of course she can go over her estimated weight.

wait let me back up...

I DO understand why the term upsets people. But not every teacup is a back yard bred dog. Miley came from a reputable breeder and so have a lot of other teacup's, tinies, whatever you want to call them.

I guess i'm so heated about this because a few weeks ago I saw a thread and we weren't aloud to have an "official teacup club" because the term is like an eboli virus here...yet an official teapot club is okay? I may be a little dramatic with this but that reminds me of skinny vs. fat. It's such a horrible thing to call someone fat but it's such a compliment to call someone skinny. Why is that? Like why has fat become such an insult like teacup?

Some people just want smaller dogs so if there is a reputable breeder who is breeding HEALTHY teacups why is that such an issue?

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by cindersellie

It's because there are breeders who breed small dogs, not breeding to the stand of 5 to 7 lb. They use the terms teacup to get 2.000 to 10.000 for a pup they deemed a teacup. They usually don't breed like the breeders I've seen here- don't know the dogs health histories, they're MOSTLY wanting to just make a ton of money off the tiny ones.

With that said... <--- not snarky, but this whole thing makes me smile because I was going to make a little teapot club, but never got around to it. (yet) It was going to be for any dogs under 5 lbs, but that excluded many people, so I was going to make it for 7 lbs and under. I still want to make it, I just haven't yet. Last time I tried the groups were totally messed up, so I'll try again, or help someone else that wants to make it.

The little teapot club was going to have to say in Gen chat that we "do not support unethical breeding of yorkies for lower than the standard of 5 lbs." if they joined. And then say something about why your pup should be in the group. Like the TEAPOTs do when they join, just something fun to do.

It was explained to me also that the Teapots came about because they are so large no one thought they were yorkies. That's a bit of the why's that I know.

And I completely understand that some breed just for the money but Miley cost probably the same if not less than what others I know have paid for their "normal" sized yorkie. And again, who's to say she's going to be 4.5 lbs at her adult weight...I just hate that she has to be excluded in a sense because I FEEL that we are playing into the BYBs definition of the term. The part that I bolded was perfect.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by xoCourtney

I understand that and that's what bothers me about it. Let's be honest...very rarely do you see anyone who wants a teapot yorkie. When most people think yorkie they think smaller dogs. I wholeheartedly agree that the way the term teacup has been thrown around by the market IS the reason why teacup is so looked down upon. But for us who bought from a reputable breeder with a HEALTHY smaller yorkie...I just don't understand...

Whats the website of your reputable breeder

[xoCourtney]

Originally Posted by chachi

Whats the website of your reputable breeder

Why is that relevant? So you all can pick apart at whatever imperfection you find on her site? For that reason I will not disclose her website. I am happy with my puppy and Miley was not PURPOSELY bred to be small.

[cindersellie]

Courtney... We all love you. Please remember that.

I really wish teacup wasn't thought of as bad, because I have 1. I cringe everytime teacup is mentioned now, because I feel like my pup isn't as good. Not by my fault, but by greedy breeders who have made so many think badly about the small ones. I wish I could change it, but it can't be changed.